sircaw
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Aww, poor Angel Fish struggling to answer only to the Humpback upstairs.
Don't make me take you ten pin bowling midget features.
I don't believe in dwarf chucking but will make an exception in your case.
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Don't make me take you ten pin bowling midget features.
I don't believe in dwarf chucking but will make an exception in your case.
JonnyMP3
Member
I think the telling thing with the Geometry Engine is that it's completely optional for developers.
As Cerny has said "You're free to ignore its existence".
If you want to use the GPU as normal, you can. It can partially be used it to help with vertex clearing... Or fully fire it up and render Primitive Shaders on the fly
Moridianae
Member
Let's see if we can get more speculation going.
HeisenbergFX4
, do your birdies or buddies believe Microsoft will acquiesce to the pressure and reveal the prices at this supposed Lockhart event or will they still hold back to play cat and mouse with Sony even longer?
HeisenbergFX4
, do your birdies or buddies believe Microsoft will acquiesce to the pressure and reveal the prices at this supposed Lockhart event or will they still hold back to play cat and mouse with Sony even longer?
Gamernyc78
Banned
Best place to play: Killer unmatched exclusives and third party monstrous deals incoming 
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yewles1
Member
I wonder if an APU with HSA can run this better?
Delpij
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splattered
Member
You guys don't want a battle of third party bought exclusives for next gen... if MS gets serious about it there is no way Sony would be able to outbid them in any scenario. It's best that this stuff is kept to a minimum for the first year of launch until both companies are further along with their first party titles.
Wraith Phantom
Member
If they are a true gamer. Just buy a PS plug it into a monitor, kvm switch & enjoy games. There's no other excuse to miss out on games if you are a gamer & want to play those games.
I'm not sure there's going to be bloodboorne 2. I think its Castlevania in Bloodboorne style. That was the rumour of the Konami revival. (Which I believe) MSG remake, Silent hill reboot , Castlevania reboot.
Many devs have already commented on 120FPS, 60 FPS games on PS5. How can the new box run worse then both old PS boxes. Using "underpower" Jaguar. Insomniac already said 4K60. Sounds like fud projecting ,So let's move on from fud spreading at its finest. This sounds like projecting of own issues. After all Where is the XSX captured footage.
I was saying this with
Gamernyc78
pages back. Somehow out of the chaos of PS3. Sony still found a win. The CELL weeded out who were super programmers & who were average.And the devs that were super programmers are now the PS studios. Was that luck or what??I'm not even tech Savy like geordie & few others in here. But I can add up some things. As we get deeper into the gen & more devs rebuild their engines & decide to fully use the PS5 & its all easy to build games. PC & XSX are going to miss out on some games. Forget the GE engine. We have not even gone into the low latency that the PS5 has already. And if it's 3D stacked. If it's 3D Stacked. PC & XSX are missing out games this gen. And I don't think more RAM brute forcing will help the PC space.
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Neo Blaster
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Why do people keep thinking MS money is Xbox money? It's much more expensive to keep games out of Xbox than PS given today's userbase and predictions.
FunkMiller
Banned
Misunderstanding of how a corporation like Microsoft operates. Shareholders aren’t going to be happy if the company as a whole starts throwing cash at the XBox division. It’s not how things work.
What matters is comparing like for like. IE: Sony Interactive Entertainment & Xbox division. Not Microsoft vs Sony.
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ErRor88
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OK This is huge. RE ran badly on PS5 but run perfectly on XSX...
www.resetera.com
Caveat this game is months or even years away so it could change.
Realistically, how is Microsoft expected to compete with Sony next generation? Can they?
Good point about seeing the game further out first, but they tend to announce Horizon games the E3 of the same year it’s releasing, so they may be holding out to announce that next year for release next year. I would have expected the Playground team to have been working on the next Forza...
www.resetera.com
Caveat this game is months or even years away so it could change.
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Imtjnotu
Member
Don't tell me sony bought some console rights to an entire engine. That would be huge
BlueXImpulse
Banned
They would say Sony is anticonsumer
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Neo Blaster
Member
And the FUD narrative keeps going...
Imtjnotu
Member
So it runs good on the one x or series x. The game is cross platform right.OK This is huge. RE ran badly on PS5 but run perfectly on XSX...
Realistically, how is Microsoft expected to compete with Sony next generation? Can they?
Good point about seeing the game further out first, but they tend to announce Horizon games the E3 of the same year it’s releasing, so they may be holding out to announce that next year for release next year. I would have expected the Playground team to have been working on the next Forza...
Caveat this game is months or even years away so it could change.
Neo Blaster
Member
Nope, it's next gen exclusive, Capcom already said that.
ErRor88
Member
It's next-gen and PC only. Also, RestERA is on fire with this post.
Red_Driver85
Member
He also said a long time ago that Cerny is damn smart and tricky devil, because he made a console that top tier devs want to work with. But I didn't really think much of it, but now I think I understand why he said that. I would just like to see it in action already.
Setsuna Mudou
Member
We've been there, it was called Xbox 360
jimbojim
Banned
Don't think that MS is the charity for Xbox. MS won't give some money from other division to Xbox just to buy some 3rd party exclusives. Gaming division is on their own.
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Gamernyc78
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At this point it isn't misunderstandings. Many of us have explained how corps work, with investors, yearly budgets/constraints and how Microsoft's money of trillions isn't xboxs money. They have a budget, investors to make happy and no unlimited funds. Sony's gaming division in terms of profit are a run away victory and thy have more money to spend in gaming related things, easily. We've explained this a gazillion times but fans will be fans, now all tht third party exclusivity talk if it comes to fruition is a direct result of what we've been saying. Microsoft focuses on revenue for last decade because profits been low compared to Sony. Sony talks revenue and highlights profit because they are killing it.
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Three Jackdaws
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any explanation for this?
LED Guy?
Banned
Oh boy, Dusk Golem, a well-known insider just said that RE8 is having problems running on PS5, seems like PS5 can't hit 1080p 60 FPS while XSX can hit 4K 60 FPS. 
www.resetera.com
Dusk Golem: RE8 currently struggling to reach stable 1080p/60 on PS5, XSX runs perfectly at 4K60
New news, new thread: Pretty shocking. Hope they can fix it until release.
www.resetera.com
BurnCoalMeltPole
Member
Yeah, that is pretty damn interesting, and illustrates that there can be fundamental problems with PS4 ports to PC because of major architectural differences. Not a trivial issue to fix in this case because Guerrilla Game’s foliage placement subsystem makes particularly heavy use of the PS4’s asynchronous compute customizations.
Moridianae
Member
I admit with each passing day that stretches into weeks I become more frustrated at *both* companies.
Microsoft may finally open their mouth this week regarding Lockhart, but they still may not divulge much else, which wouldn't surprise me the way it's all gone down so far.
We're roughly 3 weeks to the end of August. It'll then be September, TWO months until these systems supposedly hit the store shelves.
We know fuck-all. No price, no date, no confirmed launch titles beyond vague Holiday 2020 placeholders.
It's impatience talking, but if you got the bombs, on either side, drop them. Drum up something positive in 2020.
Microsoft may finally open their mouth this week regarding Lockhart, but they still may not divulge much else, which wouldn't surprise me the way it's all gone down so far.
We're roughly 3 weeks to the end of August. It'll then be September, TWO months until these systems supposedly hit the store shelves.
We know fuck-all. No price, no date, no confirmed launch titles beyond vague Holiday 2020 placeholders.
It's impatience talking, but if you got the bombs, on either side, drop them. Drum up something positive in 2020.
Gamernyc78
Banned
Reminds me of the Sony dev kit talk having issues for months, also yeild issues "supposed known insiders" and we all know how tht is goingOh boy, Dusk Golem, a well-known insider just said that RE8 is having problems running on PS5, seems like PS5 can't hit 1080p 60 FPS while XSX can hit 4K 60 FPS.
Dusk Golem: RE8 currently struggling to reach stable 1080p/60 on PS5, XSX runs perfectly at 4K60
New news, new thread: Pretty shocking. Hope they can fix it until release.
Has to conveniently be some minor negative Sony news to combat the overwhelming positive
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JonnyMP3
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BlueXImpulse
Banned
FUD right before PS5’s third party deals are announced. I would be lying if I said I didn’t expect it
HawarMiran
Banned
any explanation for this?
I saw a vid recommended by Pewdiepie. He was playing GoW and I was like wtf isn't that a bit too late for that
It's hilarious dusk golem forsnt even mention 4k for XSX and the most recent showing of RE8 was at 4k30 anyway. Dudes getting fed incorrect info for sure.Oh boy, Dusk Golem, a well-known insider just said that RE8 is having problems running on PS5, seems like PS5 can't hit 1080p 60 FPS while XSX can hit 4K 60 FPS.
Dusk Golem: RE8 currently struggling to reach stable 1080p/60 on PS5, XSX runs perfectly at 4K60
New news, new thread: Pretty shocking. Hope they can fix it until release.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
I mean.. if there's any truth to it, could come down to something like Geometry Engine usage. Use of a bespoke component like that will take time to come to full fruition for 3rd partys.Oh boy, Dusk Golem, a well-known insider just said that RE8 is having problems running on PS5, seems like PS5 can't hit 1080p 60 FPS while XSX can hit 4K 60 FPS.
Dusk Golem: RE8 currently struggling to reach stable 1080p/60 on PS5, XSX runs perfectly at 4K60
New news, new thread: Pretty shocking. Hope they can fix it until release.
Or maybe it's an engine with high CU utilization. Or both.
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LED Guy?
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Yeah exactly, the rumor is bogus, there's no way the differences between the consoles is anywhere near those stated number differentials, maybe he got it wrong.Reminds me of the Sony dev kit talk having issues for months, also yeild issues "supposed known insiders" and we all know how tht is going
Has to conveniently be some minor negative Sony news to combat the overwhelming positive
HawarMiran
Banned
Nah... I don't believe that for a sec.Nothing they showed of that game looks like something that would even cause problems on current gen....Oh boy, Dusk Golem, a well-known insider just said that RE8 is having problems running on PS5, seems like PS5 can't hit 1080p 60 FPS while XSX can hit 4K 60 FPS.
Dusk Golem: RE8 currently struggling to reach stable 1080p/60 on PS5, XSX runs perfectly at 4K60
New news, new thread: Pretty shocking. Hope they can fix it until release.
mejin
Member
overall past week was great for PlayStation. Xbox e Spencer nowhere to be seen...so, what always happens....fabricated shit to put Xbox on the table.
LED Guy?
Banned
Yeah I agree with you.
zaitsu
Banned
Oh boy, Dusk Golem, a well-known insider just said that RE8 is having problems running on PS5, seems like PS5 can't hit 1080p 60 FPS while XSX can hit 4K 60 FPS.
Dusk Golem: RE8 currently struggling to reach stable 1080p/60 on PS5, XSX runs perfectly at 4K60
New news, new thread: Pretty shocking. Hope they can fix it until release.
I refuse to belive that crap and now i don't know if silent hill is even true XD
sircaw
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I just canceled my Ps5 preorder... Again, new xbox is where it's at.
I don't care if there are still optimizations to be made, I don't care that both games could be in completely different stages of production. All I want is that 1 extra fps.
Give it to me.
OK This is huge. RE ran badly on PS5 but run perfectly on XSX...
Realistically, how is Microsoft expected to compete with Sony next generation? Can they?
Good point about seeing the game further out first, but they tend to announce Horizon games the E3 of the same year it’s releasing, so they may be holding out to announce that next year for release next year. I would have expected the Playground team to have been working on the next Forza...
Caveat this game is months or even years away so it could change.
I just canceled my Ps5 preorder... Again, new xbox is where it's at.
I don't care if there are still optimizations to be made, I don't care that both games could be in completely different stages of production. All I want is that 1 extra fps.
Give it to me.
JonnyMP3
Member
There's a reason why some of us were on the Cerny bandwagon since the PS4 reveal, 7-8 years ago. Everything that man has said has always been technical and factual with no PR bullshit.
A lot of people tried to discredit him back then and the people that believed in him were part of the Sony/Cerny circlejerk... But guess who was right 8 years later?
Not the ones that showed they had zero computer engineering understanding on any base level.
And now Cerny has been acknowledged as Kutaragi's spiritual successor!
Gamernyc78
Banned
Just add tht to what I mentioned also no ray tracing rumors 9tf machine, no RDNA 2 and whole bunch of other shit the propoganda machine keeps taking L's on.
Don't worry Sony will send ice team tips over there to get tht magic running
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Gamernyc78
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OK This is huge. RE ran badly on PS5 but run perfectly on XSX...
Realistically, how is Microsoft expected to compete with Sony next generation? Can they?
Good point about seeing the game further out first, but they tend to announce Horizon games the E3 of the same year it’s releasing, so they may be holding out to announce that next year for release next year. I would have expected the Playground team to have been working on the next Forza...
Caveat this game is months or even years away so it could change.
Yeah it's hugeeeee
like no ray tracing, ps5 yield issues, devkit issues all tales out of "supposed known insiders" ass.Bro we don't believe them no more
Red_Driver85
Member
Yes, indeed something similar. Because I just don't believe that such hardware as the PS5, has problems in 1080p/60fps with a not-so-nextgen-game.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
It's feasible that for some specific engine the differences between XSX and PS5 aren't favoring PS5... or just in it's current state if it's not utilizing PS5's advantages.
That same game could perform better on PS5 in 6 months if they haven't fully taken advantage of the bespoke hardware.
The Xbox is once again a "use our SDK" machine; there's likely not a whole lot for devs to figure out.
That same game could perform better on PS5 in 6 months if they haven't fully taken advantage of the bespoke hardware.
The Xbox is once again a "use our SDK" machine; there's likely not a whole lot for devs to figure out.
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MasterCornholio
Member
Just a quick question.
How is the PS5 a 1080P 30FPS machine?
I can understand that it might not hit 4K 60FPS and 4K 30FPs in alot of games but struggling to hit 1080P 60FPs with all that power?
It really doesn't make any sense to me.
How is the PS5 a 1080P 30FPS machine?
I can understand that it might not hit 4K 60FPS and 4K 30FPs in alot of games but struggling to hit 1080P 60FPs with all that power?
It really doesn't make any sense to me.
Elog
Member
Dusk Golem made a bit of a fool of himself in that thread. The real narrative is that a game developed on PC run better out of the box on an XSX dev kit compared to a PS5 dev kit.
That is as expected since the XSX is basically a console PC while the PS5 has more customisations and a different API.
See Thanatos post: "So you went from saying multiple devs and multiple games to really talking about one game? And what you really meant was that porting the game to the Xbox dev kit was easier than the PS5 dev kit, which happens all the time in game development? (Porting to one dev kit, let's say the Switch in my example, can be easy but the other consoles need more work - this happens all the time).
I'm not trying to call you out here but your statements were pretty definitive and broad and ever since making them you have been backtracking. Games running worse on one platform than another when they are first being ported happens all the time and not noting that when saying what you've been saying is only telling half-truths, and you should absolutely be called out on that. Especially since optimization and frame rate tend to be some of the last things locked down for games.
I've worked on AAA games where one version doesn't even boot past the title screen for a month or the game runs at 5 fps and all of that that was a perfectly normal part of the dev process since sometimes shit doesn't work properly until the proper code is built to support it.
That's not to say that the game won't run better on Series X when it releases, it very well could (will likely run at higher resolution at the very least) but come on man - what you said at first and what you just said now clearly don't match up with each other."
That is as expected since the XSX is basically a console PC while the PS5 has more customisations and a different API.
See Thanatos post: "So you went from saying multiple devs and multiple games to really talking about one game? And what you really meant was that porting the game to the Xbox dev kit was easier than the PS5 dev kit, which happens all the time in game development? (Porting to one dev kit, let's say the Switch in my example, can be easy but the other consoles need more work - this happens all the time).
I'm not trying to call you out here but your statements were pretty definitive and broad and ever since making them you have been backtracking. Games running worse on one platform than another when they are first being ported happens all the time and not noting that when saying what you've been saying is only telling half-truths, and you should absolutely be called out on that. Especially since optimization and frame rate tend to be some of the last things locked down for games.
I've worked on AAA games where one version doesn't even boot past the title screen for a month or the game runs at 5 fps and all of that that was a perfectly normal part of the dev process since sometimes shit doesn't work properly until the proper code is built to support it.
That's not to say that the game won't run better on Series X when it releases, it very well could (will likely run at higher resolution at the very least) but come on man - what you said at first and what you just said now clearly don't match up with each other."
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Thirty7ven
Banned
Surprise Surprise.
The story gets a retcon real quick. Always the same bullshit.
The story gets a retcon real quick. Always the same bullshit.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
At the very least it sounds exaggerated.
Red_Driver85
Member
I agree with what you wrote. Always something they don't want to say and hiding... Like Cerny?
Gamernyc78
Banned
We been here long enough to know how things work around here. Sony shows its ass off with killer games, features, etc... Then all of a sudden a supposed insider spreads some negative propoganda, then Sony shows or gives info contrary to the supposed insiders and trolls take another L. It's been happening for over a decade and Sony usually is in the right side of things.
Also, exactly, its a fucking game in development
Mr Moose
Member
I don't think it was running at 1080p though so... His info is inaccurate.OK This is huge. RE ran badly on PS5 but run perfectly on XSX...
Realistically, how is Microsoft expected to compete with Sony next generation? Can they?
Good point about seeing the game further out first, but they tend to announce Horizon games the E3 of the same year it’s releasing, so they may be holding out to announce that next year for release next year. I would have expected the Playground team to have been working on the next Forza...
Caveat this game is months or even years away so it could change.
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