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[Gediminas]

Reminds me of the Sony dev kit talk having issues for months, also yeild issues "supposed known insiders" and we all know how tht is going

Has to conveniently be some minor negative Sony news to combat the overwhelming positive ❤

yes, Resident evil running flawlessly on Xbox, but somehow all xbox games presented til now ran on PC. even first party marketing deal is with sony but yes, they worked more on xbox

FUD 100%

 

[Wraith Phantom]

You guys don't want a battle of third party bought exclusives for next gen... if MS gets serious about it there is no way Sony would be able to outbid them in any scenario. It's best that this stuff is kept to a minimum for the first year of launch until both companies are further along with their first party titles.

You are confusing MS with Xbox division. After MS closed down stores & are making job cuts. You think they are gonna money hat Xbox to spend excess money on a division thats not making them more money.

Xbox division stands on its own & it makes less money then PSN alone. Xbox division don't have capital to hang with PS division. It's already over, There's no battle. You not see the "insiders" say PS are just snatching up plenty of deals. Probably for cheap as they are lead platform. If publishers all go with PS. Thats the bigger problem. There is clearly a backlash happening against MS behind the scenes. And thats the bigger problem. Not exclusive content deals.

 

[SportsFan581]

"Checks out with Sony trying to moneyhat everything in existence to ensure Digital Foundry can't compare multiplats."

Okay, I'll bite, where did this come from, these things are comedy gold.

 

[thurnishaleygw]

Nothing stops the FUD train!

 

[MasterCornholio]

Dusk Golem made a bit of a fool of himself in that thread. The real narrative is that a game developed on PC run better out of the box on an XSX dev kit compared to a PS5 dev kit.

That is as expected since the XSX is basically a console PC while the PS5 has more customisations and a different API.

See Thanatos post: "So you went from saying multiple devs and multiple games to really talking about one game? And what you really meant was that porting the game to the Xbox dev kit was easier than the PS5 dev kit, which happens all the time in game development? (Porting to one dev kit, let's say the Switch in my example, can be easy but the other consoles need more work - this happens all the time).

I'm not trying to call you out here but your statements were pretty definitive and broad and ever since making them you have been backtracking. Games running worse on one platform than another when they are first being ported happens all the time and not noting that when saying what you've been saying is only telling half-truths, and you should absolutely be called out on that. Especially since optimization and frame rate tend to be some of the last things locked down for games.

I've worked on AAA games where one version doesn't even boot past the title screen for a month or the game runs at 5 fps and all of that that was a perfectly normal part of the dev process since sometimes shit doesn't work properly until the proper code is built to support it.

That's not to say that the game won't run better on Series X when it releases, it very well could (will likely run at higher resolution at the very least) but come on man - what you said at first and what you just said now clearly don't match up with each other."

Interesting

What's your opinion on this TheGreatWhiteShark since you have been following Dusk pretty closely?

 

[Neo Blaster]

overall past week was great for PlayStation. Xbox e Spencer nowhere to be seen...so, what always happens....fabricated shit to put Xbox on the table.

Yes, timing for these new 'info' is really curious, right after Sony's 3rd party exclusivity deals rumours landed.

 

[FunkMiller]

Oh boy, Dusk Golem, a well-known insider just said that RE8 is having problems running on PS5, seems like PS5 can't hit 1080p 60 FPS while XSX can hit 4K 60 FPS.

Dusk Golem: RE8 currently struggling to reach stable 1080p/60 on PS5, XSX runs perfectly at 4K60

New news, new thread: Pretty shocking. Hope they can fix it until release.

www.resetera.com

I would be genuinely prepared to listen to what Golem had to say if he’d got ANYTHING right recently...

 

[IntentionalPun]

Well actually is his track record?

 

[squidilix]

We know PS4 Pro existing version was "test" internally for RE8.
And we know PS5 have SAME CPU over Xbox Series X, but yeah, only PS5 have "framerate problem"..

yeah sure...

The only difference on PS5 / XSX is resolution, not framerate...

 

[Mr Moose]

"Checks out with Sony trying to moneyhat everything in existence to ensure Digital Foundry can't compare multiplats."

Okay, I'll bite, where did this come from, these things are comedy gold.

Checks out with Sony trying to moneyhat everything in existence to ensure Digital Foundry can't compare multiplats.

Who the heck said this Mr Moose , tell me, I thought I said some dumb shit at times but this makes me feel like bloody Einstien.

Give me a name, I want to add him to my friend's list, so I can feel good about myself.

 

[TheGreatWhiteShark]

Interesting

What's your opinion on this TheGreatWhiteShark since you have been following Dusk pretty closely?

I don't follow people closely, not a stalker of any sort.
I've seen the specs though, like most people interested, and I've already written my opinion on the subject.

 

[Stuart360]

I dont believe the RE8 rumour because he said 1080p, while XSX is 4k. If he said its running great at 4k/60 on XSX but struggling on PS5 at 4k to reach 60fps. I could believe that.
As for the tiresome 'fud' talk, would you be shouting Fud if the rumour was it was flawless on PS5 but struggling on XSX?

 

[FunkMiller]

I dont believe the RE8 rumour because he said 1080p, while XSX is 4k. If he said its running great at 4k/60 on XSX but struggling on PS5 at 4k to reach 60fps. I could believe that.
As for the tiresome 'fud' talk, would you be shouting Fud if the rumour was it was flawless on PS5 but struggling on XSX?

Probably, yes. You’ve got to go on the source of the information, not necessarily the information itself. I struggle to recall when Dusk Golem has been on the money. All the Silent Hill stuff was certainly inaccurate. I’ll listen to what an insider has to say based on their track record. Foxy’s 750 million rumour is probably a load of shit as well, given his track record. It’s always about the person’s track record.

 

[geordiemp]

I dont believe the RE8 rumour because he said 1080p, while XSX is 4k. If he said its running great at 4k/60 on XSX but struggling on PS5 at 4k to reach 60fps. I could believe that.
As for the tiresome 'fud' talk, would you be shouting Fud if the rumour was it was flawless on PS5 but struggling on XSX?

Agree, I dont expect either to be far apart.

You would think trolls would be better at it, as soon as they say struggling to do 1080p its laughable, it was 4K on the sony show.

 

[Thirty7ven]

He's more than likely talking about the PS4 Pro version that was being play tested. Hence the 1080p mention. That tells me his source either knows or is someone who works at a Capcom QA department.

 

[Stuart360]

Probably, yes. You’ve got to go on the source of the information, not necessarily the information itself. I struggle to recall when Dusk Golem has been on the money. All the Silent Hill stuff was certainly inaccurate. I’ll listen to what an insider has to say based on their track record.

For the record, i very much doubt either console would struggle to run RE8, even at 4k/60. Unless the graphics have inproved considerably from the initial trailer.

 

[Stuart360]

Agree, I dont expect either to be far apart.

You would think trolls would be better at it, as soon as they say struggling to do 1080p its laughable, it was 4K on the sony show.

Maybe it was a mix up with the pro test version. I mean why would the PS5 version be 1080P anyway?. And even though i DO think XSX will show some advantages in multiplatform games, the difference in power is nowhere big enough to have a game run flawless at 4k/60 on XSX, but struggle to hit 1080p/60 on PS5 lol.

 

[Redlight]

Agree, I dont expect either to be far apart.

You would think trolls would be better at it, as soon as they say struggling to do 1080p its laughable, it was 4K on the sony show.

I wonder what difference you would consider as significant? I suspect that if PS5 was 1080p and 30fps vs Series X at 4K and 60fps that you would still side with Sony.

 

[Dave_at_Home]

Agree, I dont expect either to be far apart.

You would think trolls would be better at it, as soon as they say struggling to do 1080p its laughable, it was 4K on the sony show.

The idea that a PS5 game would struggle at 1080P is just laughable. If someone is getting hyped up for this, it just shows how willfully ignorant they're being in order to fulfill their fanboy dreams. Pathetic.

 

[VideodromeX]

RE8 is struggling in Ps5, apparently PS5 is weaker than i thought.

 

[hemo memo]

Just a quick question.

How is the PS5 a 1080P 30FPS machine?

I can understand that it might not hit 4K 60FPS and 4K 30FPs in alot of games but struggling to hit 1080P 60FPs with all that power?

It really doesn't make any sense to me.

If you are struggling to hit 1080/60 with PS5 specifications then it’s more of your horrible code than the console.

 

[AeneaGames]

You guys don't want a battle of third party bought exclusives for next gen... if MS gets serious about it there is no way Sony would be able to outbid them in any scenario. It's best that this stuff is kept to a minimum for the first year of launch until both companies are further along with their first party titles.

Ahh, MS has more money right?

Question is are they willing to spend it on such a thing. After all they said they aren't competing with Sony...

And best to wait is not a good idea. Sony wants as many people buying a PS5 as soon as possible best way to do that is besides having all your first party devs going full steam is to use your massive profits from current gen to buy some third party exclusives, full or partial games.

You can't use the same money on new games since those would be a few years out, you want something now.

 

[Killer Sakoman]

the only series (3rd party) I still associate with Xbox is Ninja Gaiden. Yep, I know it went full multi, but there is still a charm for it being ressurected on the original Xbox. Ninja Gaiden Black is a huge and it will always be a classic.

if Sony got NG4 as a timed or worse, as a console exclusive it would be a huge blow.

Team Ninja is already developing NiOh series exclusively for playstation consoles. Someone can correct me but it seems this game is much bigger than Ninja Gaiden

 

[MasterCornholio]

I don't follow people closely, not a stalker of any sort.
I've seen the specs though, like most people interested, and I've already written my opinion on the subject.

Ok since you were posting so many things about Dusk I thought you night have some insight there.

It's also ok if you don't want to talk about it though.

 

[MasterCornholio]

I wonder what difference you would consider as significant? I suspect that if PS5 was 1080p and 30fps vs Series X at 4K and 60fps that you would still side with Sony.

Is that what people are saying the difference is going to be?

 

[chilichote]

I bet it's going to be all over twitter by the Xbox community later today while ignoring Matt's comment altogether.

What was Matts comment?

 

[Killer Sakoman]

I don't know if the timed exclusive rumors are real or not. But one big thing with timed exclusivity is that you need to compensate the studio for expected lost sales on the competing platform.

With Xbox "not caring if you buy a Series X or not", this is basically open declaration that Series X sales could be so low, Sony could ask for launch exclusivity, while paying far LESS for the privilege.

Or in other words, by Xbox abandoning the idea of console sales mattering, they also lowered the price Sony needed to pay to get timed exclusivity. While at the same time, massively increase the costs for Xbox to retaliate.

Sony just might have bought timed exclusivity of titles that were once too expensive this gen, but was made affordable due to Xbox's decision to go all in Gamepass.

Every action has consequences. Xbox might not realize what their decision are leading them.

Microsoft not caring wither series X sell is a myth that does not make any sense. They need to sell xbox in order to sell game pass. They can't sell game pass in the air. They can't depend on PC audience, and they definitely cannot depend on Xcloud because the it is not yet a proven market.

 

[Redlight]

There is nothing Sony defense about it.

Oh, I think there is. The particular Japanese corporation could violate you and your safe word would be 'more'.

 

[Gamernyc78]

 

[Gamernyc78]

Microsoft not caring wither series X sell is a myth that does not make any sense. They need to sell xbox in order to sell game pass. They can't sell game pass in the air. They can't depend on PC audience, and they definitely cannot depend on Xcloud because the it is not yet a proven market.

Those ppls logic is the dumbest ever. Maus can come from different sources but more consoles you sell the more ppl you get in your eco system. Thts fanboy dribble to feel good about low sales and the situation of Microsoft. Next up, revenue is all tht matters not the most important thing in profit

 

[icerock]

RE8 started it's development as a cross-gen title, it's a last-gen game being updated with few bells and whistles to look next-gen. It showed from the trailer itself. Game optimization occurs in last phase of game-development, so it'll likely be sorted. The trailer looked framey, but it's not due to the hardware. It pushed much more graphically intensive visuals than RE8. Another Capcom project in Pragmata being a prime example, the trailer ran at 4K/60, it also had most intensive use of RT out of all games in the event as pointed out by DF.

As for Dusk, he's reliable for Capcom related news. But, all the stuff about MS willing to lose more money than Sony on consoles/the difference in power being staggering should be taken with a grain of salt. He was quick to backtrack on "multiplatforms will run significantly better on Xbox X". For, any logical person, it's expected that Series X will push more resolution/more fidelity. It comes with in-built advantage in the hardware on GPU side as well as bandwidth. But, using one outlier of a game (in RE8) as an example to think, that's how multi-plats are expected to run in next-gen is silly.

TLDR; RE8 is under-going performance issues on PS5 dev-kit, multi-platforms are expected run better on Series X. Hardly earth-shattering news, but I guess discourse in coming days and weeks will tell otherwise.

 

[Mr Moose]

Oh, I think there is. The particular Japanese corporation could violate you and your safe word would be 'more'.

What?

 

[Neo Blaster]

Damn, how well an avatar can suit its owner?

 

[geordiemp]

I wonder what difference you would consider as significant? I suspect that if PS5 was 1080p and 30fps vs Series X at 4K and 60fps that you would still side with Sony.

Whatever. Its nonsense and you know it.

 

[quest]

Microsoft not caring wither series X sell is a myth that does not make any sense. They need to sell xbox in order to sell game pass. They can't sell game pass in the air. They can't depend on PC audience, and they definitely cannot depend on Xcloud because the it is not yet a proven market.

It is under the allowed series x FUD. Of course your right no consoles no gamepass period. PC and cloud are not going to do enough numbers to mean shit for gamepass subscribers. Microsoft spent 100s of millions to launch a device they don't want to sell lmao. I guess if it said enough people will believe it.

 

[kyliethicc]

So bad news guys, just heard from my sources that PS5 can’t run any games. None. Capcom, you know, they tried, just kept trying all the games, but none of them could run. Even at 1080p. Cerny was lying when we saw all those games running smoothly on PS5, turns out that was just Xbox footage. Big leak right here, no doubt. Hard for me to come to terms with it all too... cause obviously I’m fucking around. Thankfully, the Xbox will have all the games now, all exclusives, even at 4K 120 FPS, and delivered so smartly. Thank you Phil daddy, gimme dat game paaaassss!

 

[Empire Strikes Back]

Oh boy, Dusk Golem, a well-known insider just said that RE8 is having problems running on PS5, seems like PS5 can't hit 1080p 60 FPS while XSX can hit 4K 60 FPS.

Dusk Golem: RE8 currently struggling to reach stable 1080p/60 on PS5, XSX runs perfectly at 4K60

New news, new thread: Pretty shocking. Hope they can fix it until release.

www.resetera.com

It looks like the engine is going haywire on the hardware. Once they taylor their engine for the way the PS5 works with variable frequencies and power consumption, it should run very well. I don’t think this “advantage” of XSX will last (if it has ever existed) though, PS5 is easy to develop for and from the June event we can see that third parties and indies are doing fine with the hardware. This is just Capcom lagging behind.

 

[Nickolaidas]

Re-posted from the other thread:

I find it mind-boggling that people still think that Dusk Golem is a tales-out-of-my-ass kind of insider, when he was spot-on about Sekiro, the RE2 reveal, RE8 info and Ono stepping down from Street Fighter VI. The guy's legit. Deal with it.

If he says that RE8 ran like shit on the PS5 a few months ago, I BELIEVE HIM. That doesn't mean that RE8 won't be optimized to run 100% smoothly on the PS5 by the time it's to be released.

 

[Self High Five]

Or in other words, by Xbox abandoning the idea of console sales mattering

Looks like the propaganda is working.

Nevermind the astronomic costs of research and development along with the bills of materials & the distribution costs of the console itself....just using basic common sense will show that MS will have a higher margin in revenue from a consumer using an Xbox than anything else.

Valve is not giving MS an extra cut if someone bought Call of Duty on PC instead of an Xbox. Xbox Live Gold doesn't work on a platform that's already providing online gaming for free. There is nowhere else MS can make a 30% cut on all third party sales but an Xbox.

Sorry, it matters. If it didn't, they would have went third party by now.

 

[Thedtrain]

It looks like the engine is going haywire on the hardware. Once they taylor their engine for the way the PS5 works with variable frequencies and power consumption, it should run very well. I don’t think this “advantage” of XSX will last (if it has ever existed) though, PS5 is easy to develop for and from the June event we can see that third parties and indies are doing fine with the hardware. This is just Capcom lagging behind.

Power usage is constant for ps5
It would be confusing for me if xsx didn’t have the 3rd party advantage for its life cycle.
Wish we could get a Sony tear down!

 

[saintjules]

Anyone know this guy? Getting closer now..

 

[IntentionalPun]

Re-posted from the other thread:

I find it mind-boggling that people still think that Dusk Golem is a tales-out-of-my-ass kind of insider, when he was spot-on about Sekiro, the RE2 reveal, RE8 info and Ono stepping down from Street Fighter VI. The guy's legit. Deal with it.

If he says that RE8 ran like shit on the PS5 a few months ago, I BELIEVE HIM. That doesn't mean that RE8 won't be optimized to run 100% smoothly on the PS5 by the time it's to be released.

It sounds like an engine problem independent of usual performance issues if it really did have trouble in 1080p. Something they'd figure out by launch; which DG says himself in his post.

I'm with you on it being believable; but it's also not something to over-react to. Of course nobody on "either side" can actually seem to just have a conversation about these things. Xbox fanboys will claim the sky is falling and Sony fanboys will call it lies. The truth is it could be true and absolutely no big deal.. so it's just pointless anyways lol

 

[Mr Moose]

Anyone know this guy? Getting closer now..

Followed by KojiPro, Sony Santa Monica and more

I'm too lazy to check if its true though lol.
20th seems like a good date.

 

[sircaw]

Oh, I think there is. The particular Japanese corporation could violate you and your safe word would be 'more'.

You are the perfect drone, that good old Phil has in mind when he directs all his Pr speak.

Forget all the innovation that sony is offering, forget the outstanding studios. forget all the outstanding games. Forget support all the way to the end of the generation.

Stick with your quantity over quality moments and if you are still around in seven years' time, I will welcome you to ps6.

Have a good day.

 

[Gamernyc78]

I'm too lazy to check if its true though lol.
20th seems like a good date.

And so have 80% of the ppl on here guess middle to end of August for Sony breakdown. Ppl at this point just throwing guessing dates like thy all have for months.

 

[Gamernyc78]

You are the perfect drone, that good old Phil has in mind when he directs all his Pr speak.

Forget all the innovation that sony is offering, forget the outstanding studios. forget all the outstanding games. Forget support all the way to the end of the generation.

Stick with your quantity over quality moments and if you are still around in seven years' time, I will welcome you to ps6.

Have a good day.

Quantity doesn't work though because Sony has them beat on tht too it's a no win for them. Tell him to go play Crackdown 3 and sit down.

 

[DeaDPo0L84]

Caveat this game is months or even years away so it could change.

With this kinda knowledge you have to be a insider.

 

[Empire Strikes Back]

Power usage is constant for ps5
It would be confusing for me if xsx didn’t have the 3rd party advantage for its life cycle.
Wish we could get a Sony tear down!

Of course it will have the advantage, it has more compute. But again, it’ll be fun to see which console performs better as they have different philosophies on tackling power consumption and heat dissipation. XSX holds the same paradigm that Cerny tried to evade with the PS5.

 

[Insane Metal]

I'm too lazy to check if its true though lol.
20th seems like a good date.

Doesn't matter the actual date really, we'll know soon enough. There is something going on this month so let's just wait

 

[hemo memo]

I'm too lazy to check if its true though lol.
20th seems like a good date.

I don’t think even Sony themselves have a date set yet. It’s the end of the month and people just throwing guesses.