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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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BGs

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And raytracing^^

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If a 10.28TF system does not have Raytracing, it is impossible for a 4TF system to have it.

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In case it is not clear, this answer is humorous.
 
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Cobenzl

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If the economics stacked up, I'd try and make PS5 disk and digital the same price and adjust the value proposition with services.
 

FunkMiller

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This would be too good to be true

I'm not suggesting it's that likely... don't misunderstand me. I think Sony probably feel their market share is too strong to think it's worth taking that kind of hit. But... it would be aggressive, and it would ensure similar domination to last gen. Coming in under the competition was a huge benefit for them with the Ps4. Maybe they think the same this time too?
 

SonicJams

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Perhaps this was bait by Microsoft to get Sony to announce their price. With Microsoft intentionally not confirming the Series X just yet to ensure they can remain competitive with that model too.
 

kyliethicc

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You know, I can actually see Sony pricing incredibly aggressively now. They have the profit margins and market share to do it if they want. Take the financial hit to secure the generation out of the gate. That huge profit in Q1 could come into play.

Ps5 at $449 and DE at $349.
Add a $100 to each, Sony has no reason not too. They know demand is high for their system.
 
The leak wasn't intentional, but XBox just happened to have approved copy and visuals ready to be posted on social media?

To be fair it is likely such visuals have been ready for ages.
I am not sure if the leak was intentional or not, but assuming it wasn't intentional, it makes sense for MS to just put everything else out there officially given how much was leaked. Damage control almost.
 
The all access options are interesting.
I can only assume it is going to be treated as a finance product (e.g. like Apple and Samsungs upgrade plans) so people don't just cancel their payments etc (I am sure they'd also ban the consoles from Xbox Live in that scenario too).
I wonder if Sony will show anything along the same lines.
 

sinnergy

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Perhaps this was bait by Microsoft to get Sony to announce their price. With Microsoft intentionally not confirming the Series X just yet to ensure they can remain competitive with that model too.
Seems like it, my bet MS will undercut them whatever the price is with at least 50.
 

ToadMan

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If they don't XSS is going to get all the attention for the entire week.

In the case of the XSS I’m not sure it would matter ...

A week of talking about a low power machine with no 1st party games to show it off? Looking kinda ugly too...

Seems like Sony should be happy to let that be the message MS lives with for a while. It just lets the MS message become more confused in people’s minds.

“Never interrupt your enemy while he is making a mistake”

To be honest I don’t think Sony were or are “waiting” for MS though.
 

xacto

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Foxy has been acting like he has known what’s been going on forever now, especially last week, now he is all wtf is going on Sony this week. I read his feed for a good laugh but man is he schizophrenic

Foxy acts like he's been playing games on his PS5 at home for a long while now, and from time to time he drops his "bombs" to the peasants on different social media platforms.

Wonder if he really missed some of his medical check-ups?
 

GreyHand23

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Its not streaming allot, its like there are multiple games (4 if you think about it)....you have single player, Multiplayer with lots maps, Zombie with different maps and characters, and then there is Battle royale mode large map. And lets not forget a billion costumes and paint jobs.

Warzone mode at the very least utilizes streaming heavily. You can see how it works in the digital foundry video. There is no zombies in Modern Warfare. Black Ops 4 had all of those modes including a warzone type mode and was less than half of the size of Modern Warfare. I think they do use a lot of duplicate assets for warzone and the game in general looks better than black ops 4, so probably improved asset quality. I believe the biggest culprit in terms of size however is that the assets either aren’t compressed much or possibly not compressed at all. One of the devs mentioned at some point that they weren’t using heavy compression because they needed all of the CPU for the game and didn’t have enough power left for decompression.
 
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I don't know. I'm curious to see DF and NXG comparison videos, I wonder if it really has the 4TF GPU and if it is enough for next-gen at 1440p. It seemed more believable when the rumoured rez was 1080p. I also wonder if it has a dedicated hardware for upscaling not to eat into the frametime.
 

Flippo

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When XSS is 300 and XSX would be 500. With the possibility that XSS can upscale to 4K and support 120fps. What would be a reason that you would pay 200+ for disc drive and a bigger SSD? The XSS price is sharp, but that gap is to big imo. Only if you want to pixel count your game or game cases(used games), then the XSX is interesting..
 

Thirty7ven

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Anyone expecting $399 for Sony’s premium 9-10TF console is going to be sorely disappointed, I feel. Sony themselves have been trying to set a “quality over price” narrative. They’re for an prepping an expensive console launch.

At 499€ it already suits Sony’s narrative of “quality over price”. Their messaging is always in relation to expectation of the PlayStation consumer, even if some people think it’s in relation to the competition. Both PS4s were 399€ when they launched.

The existence of a DE means Sony knows they need an option that’s closer to 399€.
 
I don't know. I'm curious to see DF and NXG comparison videos, I wonder if it really has the 4TF GPU and if it is enough for next-gen at 1440p. It seemed more believable when the rumoured rez was 1080p. I also wonder if it has a dedicated hardware for upscaling not to eat into the frametime.
I dont wanna sound mean but non of ur sentences made sense man.

4tf has nothing to do with reoslution . U can have native 4k game on 4 tf . Just depends on games scope .

Also upscaling never uses hardware frametime. Hdmi 2 scales images up from native resolution to 4k . Yes it will look blurry but it does it
 
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Zoro7

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When XSS is 300 and XSX would be 500. With the possibility that XSS can upscale to 4K and support 120fps. What would be a reason that you would pay 200+ for disc drive and a bigger SSD? The XSS price is sharp, but that gap is to big imo. Only if you want to pixel count your game or game cases(used games), then the XSX is interesting..
What am I reading.
 
I dont wanna sound mean but non of ur sentences made sense man.

4tf has nothing to do with reoslution . U can have native 4k game on 4 tf . Just depends on games scope .

Also uoscaling never uses hardware framtime. Hdmi 2 scales images up from native resolution to 4k . Yes it will look blurry but it does it
The irony. /runs away, it was a joke
 
When XSS is 300 and XSX would be 500. With the possibility that XSS can upscale to 4K and support 120fps. What would be a reason that you would pay 200+ for disc drive and a bigger SSD? The XSS price is sharp, but that gap is to big imo. Only if you want to pixel count your game or game cases(used games), then the XSX is interesting..
Lol wtf . Its the exact opposite. xsx is 500 and xss is 300 , xsx is a much better deal from technical perspective
 
Anything coming from Sam Brands is a controlled leak.
It is obvious it's a controlled leak. Brad Sams and Windows Central had their articles ready to post when it appeared, I wonder why.

This 'estimated price' thing makes it feels like it's more a bait for Sony than an official price. We should hear from Sony soon, this might have been a counter to near PS5 info. Who knows?
 

JonnyMP3

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Its not ? I know tight budget gamers that got one , and condemned. Just so they can game ...
But it was ultimately gimped and constrained unless you put a HDD into it. There were certain games couldn't be played on that version because the resources just wasn't available. Ended up useless by like 2009/10.
 

sinnergy

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But it was ultimately gimped and constrained unless you put a HDD into it. There were certain games couldn't be played on that version because the resources just wasn't available. Ended up useless by like 2009/10.
He bought a HDD and still gamed on it . He only played a couple of genres. These gamers also exist.
 
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ZehDon

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At 499€ it already suits Sony’s narrative of “quality over price”. Their messaging is always in relation to expectation of the PlayStation consumer, even if some people think it’s in relation to the competition. Both PS4s were 399€ when they launched.

The existence of a DE means Sony knows they need an option that’s closer to 399€.
I don’t disagree - the DE definitely shows Sony knows they base PS5 is going to induce sticker shock.
The question for me comes down to: is the DE priced to undercut the XSX or compete with it? Is the enormous PS5 with its haptic feedback riddled controller, advanced and heavily custom IO stack, and large scale cooling solution coming in at $499 or $599?
I tend to learn towards DE at $499 and disc at $599. We’ll know soon enough. My guesses have been all over the page this cycle - maybe Sony have a miracle up their sleeve and deliver the DE at $299 and Microsoft are fucked.
 

Flippo

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Lol wtf . Its the exact opposite. xsx is 500 and xss is 300 , xsx is a much better deal from technical perspective
Well we didn't got all the technical details yet (tflops, CU count etc.). But I'm really interested in how Xbox is putting both devices to market and trying to sell it. In the end, customers want value for there money. Buying a XSX and seeing the XSS price, you really want to know where the 200 went. But that my opinion. I'm a PS guy, but seeing the Xbox devices and price is good for the market. But if I buy a PS5 for 50/100 more than a PS5 DE, then I know I'm paying it for the disc drive.
 

FunkMiller

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They posted the annoucment at 3 am with no product landing page ready

This is leaked 100% and not planned

It’s a controlled, deliberate leak. This isn’t something XBox wasn’t prepared for. It’s all smoke and mirrors bullshit. They are certainly not the only company to do this.
 
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Well we didn't got all the technical details yet (tflops, CU count etc.). But I'm really interested in how Xbox is putting both devices to market and trying to sell it. In the end, customers want value for there money. Buying a XSX and seeing the XSS price, you really want to know where the 200 went. But that my opinion. I'm a PS guy, but seeing the Xbox devices and price is good for the market. But if I buy a PS5 for 50/100 more than a PS5 DE, then I know I'm paying it for the disc drive.
We did few weeks back

Xsx 12.1 tf 16 gb ram 52 cu
Xss 3.95 tf 10 gb ram 20 cu
 

geordiemp

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I don’t disagree - the DE definitely shows Sony knows they base PS5 is going to induce sticker shock.
The question for me comes down to: is the DE priced to undercut the XSX or compete with it? Is the enormous PS5 with its haptic feedback riddled controller, advanced and heavily custom IO stack, and large scale cooling solution coming in at $499 or $599?
I tend to learn towards DE at $499 and disc at $599. We’ll know soon enough. My guesses have been all over the page this cycle - maybe Sony have a miracle up their sleeve and deliver the DE at $299 and Microsoft are fucked.

Wow your analysis is extremely poorly written.

Feedback riddled controller - what ?
Large scale cooling solution - you dont know what it is do you.
Advanced custom IO stack - you do realise its 12 low cost chips, the reason its fast is 12 lanes and the IO interface in the APU.

The ps5 will cost less to make, what they sell it for is a different discussion.
 
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