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[Draugoth]

After confirming the final TDP specs for the RTX 5090/5080 series, Kopite7kimi has shared some news about a DLSS (Deep Learning Super Sampling) update that NVIDIA is working on. The new technology, unsurprisingly called DLSS 4, is indeed on the way, claims the leaker.

The rumors began with a picture shared earlier, allegedly, one retailer listed an ASUS RTX 5080 graphics card with DLSS 4 technology mentioned in its name. Kopite has confirmed that the “DLSS4 is true”, which would confirm that NVIDIA might use this performance improving technology for RTX 50 marketing.

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The suggestion that NVIDIA “might” showcase something new comes from one of its board partners. Inno3D has teased some “AI features” that will be part of the CES 2025 coverage, without specifying what they refer to. However, the company did mention “Advanced DLSS technology,” which could be interpreted as a DLSS update.

 

[Randall365]

It’s a bit daft if it’s exclusive to 50 series cards, because with the rate of release, developers are not going to bother shifting from 3 in the options for frame-gen.

 

[Big Baller]

 

[Gonzito]

It will probably be exclusive to these cards. I hate that NVIDIA do this nonsense everytime they release a new graphics card

 

[keefged4]

I got a 4070 and hardly ever use Frame-gen which is "exclusive" to the 40 series, so unless this is absolutely ground breaking, I will not be upgrading any time soon. Nvidia will probably put arbitrary restrictions on any cards under the 50 series though, we all know what they are like.

 

[mansoor1980]

probablt locked to 5xxx series

 

[Lootlord]

probablt locked to 5xxx series

and piss off all the 4090 owners?

 

[Exentryk]

Keen to hear more about neural filters which might allow you to play old games with completely new graphic styles/filters (imagine real life filter for mario-like games, etc).

 

[RagnarokIV]

I agree it will probably be exclusive to 50 series. Gotta sell those 12GB 5070 GPUs for $£€699 somehow.

 

[mansoor1980]

and piss off all the 4090 owners?

 

[ADiTAR]

Switch 2 gonna be renamed NDLSS4.

 

[gooner4life_uk]

imagine if it's exclusive to 50 series and a 5060 which gets 13k in Timespy can use it, but Nvidia say a 4090 can't when I get 40k in Timespy

 

[Nankatsu]

 

[willothedog]

It’s a bit daft if it’s exclusive to 50 series cards, because with the rate of release, developers are not going to bother shifting from 3 in the options for frame-gen.

trillion dollar Nvidia has the money to ensure the devs are incentivised to include their latest tech in all prominent releases.

 

[hinch7]

I got a 4070 and hardly ever use Frame-gen which is "exclusive" to the 40 series, so unless this is absolutely ground breaking, I will not be upgrading any time soon. Nvidia will probably but arbitrary restrictions on any cards under the 50 series though, we all know what they are like.

Texture quality will go off the roof. Assuming this is what Neural rendering is.

And what Nvidia has been working on the past few years.

 

[dEvAnGeL]

This will probably be 4 & 5 series exclusive.

 

[Hudo]

Need something to justify the >$2000 pricing, after all.

 

[crazyriddler]

imagine if it's exclusive to 50 series and a 5060 which gets 13k in Timespy can use it, but Nvidia say a 4090 can't when I get 40k in Timespy

Same story as with framegen and the 3090ti vs 4060.

 

[Negotiator]

Texture quality will go off the roof. Assuming this is what Neural rendering is. And what Nvidia has been working on the past few years.

We haven't seen a ground-breaking texture technology during the last 25 years:

S3 Texture Compression - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I reckon older GPUs will support neural textures, assuming their Tensor cores are beefy enough.

Just watch Mr Leather Jacket Man saying at CES 2025 "now RTX 4060 8GB owners can enjoy increased texture fidelity"!

 

[StereoVsn]

Thing is doesn’t DLSS, RT and the like consume more VRAM? This is going to be a very expensive card ($1200+ is the rumor) with 16GB in 2025.

 

[Negotiator]

Thing is doesn’t DLSS, RT and the like consume more VRAM? This is going to be a very expensive card ($1200+ is the rumor) with 16GB in 2025.

It depends.

Ray reconstruction decreases VRAM usage:

 

[baphomet]

Don't care

Where is Gsync Pulsar?

 

[Madserb2023]

Knowing Nvidia, DLSS 4 will be exclusive to the 50 series cards or at least lock a feature like frame generation to it. It will get people to upgrade and it will work. They will want 4090 owners to get a 5090, even if the raw power jump might be small. Nvidia has a monopoly now. I just wish AMD was better.

 

[MikeM]

“Don’t you guys have money???”

 

[MMaRsu]

and piss off all the 4090 owners?

Yes?

Framegen isnt available on 30 series either.

 

[TrebleShot]

Knowing Nvidia, DLSS 4 will be exclusive to the 50 series cards or at least lock a feature like frame generation to it. It will get people to upgrade and it will work. They will want 4090 owners to get a 5090, even if the raw power jump might be small. Nvidia has a monopoly now. I just wish AMD was better.

Then we wait for hackers to add it to the 40 series cards .

 

[Hookshot]

It's no PSSR

 

[Black_Stride]

Thing is doesn’t DLSS, RT and the like consume more VRAM? This is going to be a very expensive card ($1200+ is the rumor) with 16GB in 2025.

IF DLSS4 introduces NTC then VRAM is likely actually gonna go down for similar quality textures.
The nightmare of Medium textures being utter shite might completely go away and people will be happy playing with Medium textures using NTC to upscale them.

 

[Doctor Hades]

I love that NVIDIA continually push new technologies to the point where I would never consider buying an AMD graphics card because they just copy them with inferior variants that lag years behind NVIDIA. On the other hand, this has meant that NVIDIA have been free to push the prices up on their cards knowing that people like myself will stick with them rather than buy a lesser product from AMD or Intel. This is why I also hate NVIDIA!!!

DLSS4 will almost certainly be exclusive to the RTX 50 cards but I feel that this marketing ploy will eventually backfire on NVIDIA if they continue to drive up the prices of their graphics cards and limit the number of people who can afford to buy them. Fewer cards sold means less developer support which means less games using their technology. The £1,000 price range was reserved for the top-tier cards once but is now becoming the mid-tier range with the high-end options costing £1,500+.

I own a RTX 4080 Founders Edition card and it cost me £1,100. Although it has been a fantastic GPU, especially for gaming on a 1440p 360 Hz QD-OLED monitor, I do think that card was overpriced by at least £200. I expect the RTX 5080, which I personally thinks sounds underwhelming based on the leaked specs (16 GB of VRAM and still 256-bit, really?!?), will cost at least £1,500, possibly more, which puts it beyond the price range I am comfortable paying for a product that typically lasts 2-3 years.

I actually think that the high price of their GPUs is what is going to ultimately kill my interest in PC gaming as someone who wants to play games at the best quality and framerates, making mid-tier cards a no-no for me. And I don't think I could ever bring myself to switch back to AMD GPUs, even if they were competitively priced, as they are just so far behind NVIDIA technologically that I actually think it's embarrassing.

 

[Laptop1991]

While i'm not against better and newer upscaling tech, the price of the new cards now should be about raw power and native resolution performance, i get the feeling we are being conned a bit, considering the performance issues in a lot of new games on PC.

 

[rofif]

1700 EURO Hoły fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

 

[SmokedMeat]

While i'm not against better and newer upscaling tech, the price of the new cards now should be about raw power and native resolution performance, i get the feeling we are being conned a bit, considering the performance issues in a lot of new games on PC.

If that were the case everyone would be buying AMD.

 

[hinch7]

We haven't seen a ground-breaking texture technology during the last 25 years:

S3 Texture Compression - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I reckon older GPUs will support neural textures, assuming their Tensor cores are beefy enough.

Just watch Mr Leather Jacket Man saying at CES 2025 "now RTX 4060 8GB owners can enjoy increased texture fidelity"!

This is why I'm mega pumped for this. We can finally get some ML enhanced textures on the fly which will eleviate a lot of issues with texture quality and VRAM woes. With how abundant 4K displays are these days we can all benefit from higher quality textures. And low end buyers should in theory don't have to miss out so much if the game supports this.

 

[Laptop1991]

If that were the case everyone would be buying AMD.

No, they would be buying less gpu's which is what has happened.

 

[nkarafo]

But how does the exclusivity work?

If a game supports the latest DLSS but you don't have a 5xxx card, does that mean you won't be able to use DLSS at all? Not even an older version or something?

 

[Schmendrick]

But how does the exclusivity work?

If a game supports the latest DLSS but you don't have a 5xxx card, does that mean you won't be able to use DLSS at all? Not even an older version or something?

the specific functionalities will definitely be available as separate features, just like the framegen part was seperate from the upscaler before.

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

1700 EURO Hoły fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

haven't you heard, the more you buy, the more you save?

 

[Holammer]

Nvidia's presentation is Monday 6th.
I think we can take a chill pill with the rumourmonger and wait three days.

 

[Blackage]

Nvidia's presentation is is Monday 6th.
I think we can take a chill pill with the rumourmonger and wait three days.

Where's the fun in that!?

 

[Buggy Loop]

It will probably be exclusive to these cards. I hate that NVIDIA do this nonsense everytime they release a new graphics card

Ray reconstruction worked on all RTX

It depends

 

[Moochi]

I gotta 500 hz on CS2 or else.

 

[rofif]

haven't you heard, the more you buy, the more you save?

Now I remember. I will get 4

 

[Negotiator]

Plot twist:

Maybe nVidia can get more ESG points from BlackRock/WEF by reducing e-waste (giving a second life to older, low VRAM GPUs).

I know this contradicts capitalist seeking-profit motives, but we all know there's a sustainability agenda.

 

[TintoConCasera]

Here's hoping they don't cuck 40XX users out of it.

 

[GymWolf]

and piss off all the 4090 owners?

Like jensen give a fuck about that

 

[darrylgorn]

Championing DLSS is just another way of saying your card is too weak to handle native resolutions.

 

[GymWolf]

It's no PSSR

Who the fuck want an inferior upscaler in their top of the line gpu?

 

[Zathalus]

Then we wait for hackers to add it to the 40 series cards .

I highly doubt that would be possible. Nvidia would add a feature to older cards if they work well, like they did with Ray Reconstruction. Frame Generation just relies on a feature set that is not there from Ampere or earlier.

 

[Bry0]

Here's hoping they don't cuck 40XX users out of it.

Of course they will, they are soon to be last gen peasants

 

[Wooxsvan]

of course plenty of moaning and whining but good to have Nvidia in the market to push tech forward