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PCWorld: Microsoft should be terrified of SteamOS.
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pudel
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That was the argument above, that stuff on linux is not good enough to work with "professional".
You ringed?
Post in thread 'In the event that PS5 Pro does release in 2024 but there is no new Xbox Series console because there is already Series S & X' https://www.neogaf.com/threads/in-t...-is-already-series-s-x.1654173/post-268897761
Post in thread 'Xbox Twitter/X Just Confirmed Their Biggest Games Will Be Multiplatform' https://www.neogaf.com/threads/xbox...-will-be-multiplatform.1667540/post-268945606
Post in thread 'Xbox Twitter/X Just Confirmed Their Biggest Games Will Be Multiplatform' https://www.neogaf.com/threads/xbox...-will-be-multiplatform.1667540/post-268945389
RoboFu
One of the green rats
Reminds me of this
If you cannot draw a circle in gimp then you really don't use gimp. its super easy.
Bry0
Member
Excellent posts, I think you are/will be proven correct.You ringed?
Post in thread 'In the event that PS5 Pro does release in 2024 but there is no new Xbox Series console because there is already Series S & X' https://www.neogaf.com/threads/in-t...-is-already-series-s-x.1654173/post-268897761
Post in thread 'Xbox Twitter/X Just Confirmed Their Biggest Games Will Be Multiplatform' https://www.neogaf.com/threads/xbox...-will-be-multiplatform.1667540/post-268945606
Post in thread 'Xbox Twitter/X Just Confirmed Their Biggest Games Will Be Multiplatform' https://www.neogaf.com/threads/xbox...-will-be-multiplatform.1667540/post-268945389
Post in thread 'The Xbox Pro in 2026 ( Brad Sams speculation video )' https://www.neogaf.com/threads/the-...sams-speculation-video.1664819/post-268765071
That is Linux distribution.
Most people don’t realize most back end and custom business front ends are Linux based. Or I’ve even seen windows running a Linux VM for custom point of sale.
Linux kind of already dominated windows in all but home use.
What can’t you do? I mean for most people who just do YouTube and email they can easily switch to a stable Linux distribution. These are also the most unlikely to try a new OS though.
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ChorizoPicozo
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During the ABK fiasco, similar things were said about Sony
there is not really "new PC Gamers" MS/Xbox can intercept.
Hari Seldon
Member
Literally the only reason I have windows is for gaming. Linux is a far better OS for my productivity needs, and Mac has way better laptop hardware because it is not tied to x86. I even avoid surfing the internet on my windows machine, I dual boot into Linux for everything that is not strictly gaming.
Hari Seldon
Member
In my experience tech companies are using Gsuite anyway since those companies support all OS's. I suspect more regular companies will follow in time, as they always copy whatever the tech companies are doing eventually.
Yup this is itThe next "console" war
Sorcerer
Member
I think a more sensible thing to declare Microsoft should be terrified of Linux if anything, even though that's still not true.
Steam OS, no way.
Yes it's great for gaming but not much else. And who is going to want to swap back and forth constantly between game mode and the true desktop? It's neat if you don't care about the desktop side but a nuisance/deal breaker if you need both.
Linus pointed out Steam OS desktop mode does not even have drivers for printers. Valve will never be able to compete with Windows in anything other than gaming. But Valve is a gaming company first and foremost so I don't think they even want to touch the productivity side of Windows.
Steam OS, no way.
Yes it's great for gaming but not much else. And who is going to want to swap back and forth constantly between game mode and the true desktop? It's neat if you don't care about the desktop side but a nuisance/deal breaker if you need both.
Linus pointed out Steam OS desktop mode does not even have drivers for printers. Valve will never be able to compete with Windows in anything other than gaming. But Valve is a gaming company first and foremost so I don't think they even want to touch the productivity side of Windows.
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ChorizoPicozo
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i don't think valve is positioning Steam OS as a windows competitor, in fact; valve is not going to be antagonistic to windows either. (this drama is just wet dreams and monopoly backlash against windows)
but this is the thing:
MS/Windows/Xbox should be absolutely terrified in the PR/marketing space, they have everything to lose.
pudel
Member
Where is the problem?
It does. Check the comments. He corrected himself.
polybius80
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that is a ridiculous exaggeration, if windows was easy to use for 99% of people there wont be as many forums for troubleshooting
you said it yourself android is easy to use and that is a linux distro
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Hero of Spielberg
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Read again
'Any talk of distros, kernels and learning curves for getting an OS running makes it more difficult to use for 99% of people than windows is.'
The Mad Draklor
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Probably a good idea to initially market SteamOS as a good singleplayer OS alternative since mileage with multiplayer games will widely vary.
polybius80
Member
Read again
"that is a ridiculous exaggeration, if windows was easy to use for 99% of people there wont be as many forum for troubleshooting"
the number alone is already ridiculous, from where it comes that 99%?
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Hero of Spielberg
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Your comment doesn;t make sense in reply to mine.
Mine was a comparison between the ease of use for the vast majority of people between Windows and Linux, not a statement about how Windows requires 0 troubleshooting.
Quixz
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Not the Linux way but I would be happy if SteamOS was the only distro validated for online play LOL
polybius80
Member
again, linux is a kernel not an OS
you compare a linux distro against windows and in windows you also need to specify which one
Hero of Spielberg
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And I return to this point I made earlier ...
'We’re talking average user here. Any talk of distros, kernels and learning curves for getting an OS running makes it more difficult to use for 99% of people than windows is.'
I don't get why you're trying to create an alternate reality in which Linux is even close to being as viable an option for average PC users as Windows ...
polybius80
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linux is a kernel, you are not saying anything about it that is useful, linux by itself doesnt have a graphical interface, if you want to compare it, try comparing that with a windows kernel, in this reality people use linux in a variety of of operating systems maybe you know some of them like android or chromeOS
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FalconPunch
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Should Microsoft be scared? Not at all but they should be very concerned. I don't think people understand the OS dilemma and why there are so few competitors. To fund the continued development of the OS, it must bring in a form of recurring revenue. Microsoft made the correct bet back in the early days and established Windows as the defacto OS for PCs. Since they won that bet, they rapidly established dominance creating a strong dependency between PC general applications and windows. With the revenue garnered from selling windows to consumers, oems, and businesses, they further entrenched their position in the market creating further dependencies through software like direct x, dot net, office, etc.
So now here's the problem for competitors, how do you justify funding the development of a competitive OS? Apple was able to do so by selling custom hardware. Mac OS is only for macbooks and macbooks are highly coveted. This also brings you into apple eco system which leads to spending money on the apple store, buying overpriced accessories, etc. So although you don't buy every new release of Mac OS, you're paying for it indirectly.
Steam has now found a way to justify funding the development of their new OS. By leveraging their position as the pc market leader when it comes to games distribution, they're able to use their revenue from the store to fund the development of game os. With the introduction of the steam deck, it's provided valve an additional reason to pour additional resources into the development of steam OS. I believe they hope to release a whole ecosystem of devices that strips them of their dependency on windows. Now, you have a steam deck that you can take on the go which runs steam OS. Next on the road map is making Steam OS hardware agnostic so different pc portable makers can also use this OS. After that, we'll surely see the introduction of steam consoles and the next logical step after that is to allow the user to install steam os on their pc(most likely for free). The appeal of this to the end user is amazing. Purchase a game once, and use it on all your devices whether you're on the go or at home. Apple has already accomplished this in their ecosystem.
Microsoft should be definitely concerned because of how badly they've failed as it relates to gaming on windows. The windows store is completely trash and most users purchase their games from steam. In fact, if we were to rank them, it would likely be Steam > Epic > EA > Ubisoft > Gog > ....... > Windows Store. I haven't even included key resellers yet. Now they're trying to bridge the gap with Gamepass but it turns out that people on pc are really smart. Why would they subscribe to a service monthly that gives them a bunch of games that they don't want to play when they can buy exactly what they want to play for cheap from steam? GFWL fail, Windows store fail, Xbox Gamepass fail. Microsoft cannot capture that market no matter how hard they try. Now they're rushing to release a handheld that unifies their ecosystem but, nobody likes their stuff on pc. Everyone already has sunk cost fallacy with steam. Even epic giving out free games including GTA 5 and tons of exclusive releases didn't even put a dent at all in steam.
TLDR, Microsoft have a serious problem brewing for Windows as a whole and it's not just steam who's chomping at the bit to whittle down their OS share....
So now here's the problem for competitors, how do you justify funding the development of a competitive OS? Apple was able to do so by selling custom hardware. Mac OS is only for macbooks and macbooks are highly coveted. This also brings you into apple eco system which leads to spending money on the apple store, buying overpriced accessories, etc. So although you don't buy every new release of Mac OS, you're paying for it indirectly.
Steam has now found a way to justify funding the development of their new OS. By leveraging their position as the pc market leader when it comes to games distribution, they're able to use their revenue from the store to fund the development of game os. With the introduction of the steam deck, it's provided valve an additional reason to pour additional resources into the development of steam OS. I believe they hope to release a whole ecosystem of devices that strips them of their dependency on windows. Now, you have a steam deck that you can take on the go which runs steam OS. Next on the road map is making Steam OS hardware agnostic so different pc portable makers can also use this OS. After that, we'll surely see the introduction of steam consoles and the next logical step after that is to allow the user to install steam os on their pc(most likely for free). The appeal of this to the end user is amazing. Purchase a game once, and use it on all your devices whether you're on the go or at home. Apple has already accomplished this in their ecosystem.
Microsoft should be definitely concerned because of how badly they've failed as it relates to gaming on windows. The windows store is completely trash and most users purchase their games from steam. In fact, if we were to rank them, it would likely be Steam > Epic > EA > Ubisoft > Gog > ....... > Windows Store. I haven't even included key resellers yet. Now they're trying to bridge the gap with Gamepass but it turns out that people on pc are really smart. Why would they subscribe to a service monthly that gives them a bunch of games that they don't want to play when they can buy exactly what they want to play for cheap from steam? GFWL fail, Windows store fail, Xbox Gamepass fail. Microsoft cannot capture that market no matter how hard they try. Now they're rushing to release a handheld that unifies their ecosystem but, nobody likes their stuff on pc. Everyone already has sunk cost fallacy with steam. Even epic giving out free games including GTA 5 and tons of exclusive releases didn't even put a dent at all in steam.
TLDR, Microsoft have a serious problem brewing for Windows as a whole and it's not just steam who's chomping at the bit to whittle down their OS share....
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Hero of Spielberg
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We're talking PCs here for the average user.
Installing a graphical interface for an OS already puts Linux in the 'too hard basket' for the average user.
You're being intentionally ignorant or you just plain can't grasp the point.
polybius80
Member
are android or chromebook difficult for the average PC user
why would you require to install one? doesnt your os comes with one?
I dont really care about your projection fallacies, if you cannot understand the difference between a kernel and an operating system despite being explained multiple times then you probably are not qualified for this kind of discussion, you can compare whole OS like steamOS, chromeOS etc agains another like a windows variant but comparing against a kernel like linux points to a deep lack of understanding about what is being discussed here
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Hero of Spielberg
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Is Android a PC OS now? Chromebook isn't difficult but it is very limited compared to a WIndows experience for your average PC user.
Oh, you're so close to getting the point! Just continue that thought process a little bit further!
You might even equate me to the average PC user. Come on, keep thinking along that line of thought. You're agonisingly close now.
playbignbox
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I used the Steam Deck for a while and would never use it in its current state on my gaming PC.
Steam OS still has a lot of room for improvement to worry MS, as there is a list of games that are not compatible. These games are simply broken or need adjustments. For example, when I used the Steam Deck, I had various problems depending on the unverified game I was using, such as the game crashing, input lag, upscaling not working, poor performance and other situations that did not exist for those who were playing the same games using Windows. And there are other issues, such as other launchers that are not compatible, services like GamePass that do not work natively, etc.
In short, with every new game that comes out you will ask yourself the question "will it run without problems related to Steam OS?". If you buy games at launch, you can consider yourself a beta tester for protondb.
Steam OS still has a lot of room for improvement to worry MS, as there is a list of games that are not compatible. These games are simply broken or need adjustments. For example, when I used the Steam Deck, I had various problems depending on the unverified game I was using, such as the game crashing, input lag, upscaling not working, poor performance and other situations that did not exist for those who were playing the same games using Windows. And there are other issues, such as other launchers that are not compatible, services like GamePass that do not work natively, etc.
In short, with every new game that comes out you will ask yourself the question "will it run without problems related to Steam OS?". If you buy games at launch, you can consider yourself a beta tester for protondb.
polybius80
Member
yes
here is one port
Android-x86 - Porting Android to x86
Android-x86 is an Android Open Source Project licensed under Apache Public License 2.0. Some components are licensed under GNU General Public License (GPL) 2.0 or later.
www.android-x86.org
so now a linux-based OS is not difficult to use, good, now there is a chance for those 99% users
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polybius80
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in the current gaming industry if you buy a game at launch you are a beta tester anyway
Perhaps you're just behind the curve because every lay person knows the difference between the Linux kernel and a distro.
For example, the other day my grandma bought a best buy computer to install a distro on, and when I casually told her to make sure she doesn't accidentally install a version of Linux that strictly uses a windowed environment rather than a desktop environment she looked at me like I was an idiot before saying "No shit, Sherlock. I'll be sure not to install the wrong version of 'Linux'", in a super condescending tone, before she slowly explained to me the difference.
Even my 4 year old niece knows stuff like that and we regularly have discussions while she's using her iPad about the limitations of its user environment.
BTW, everyone related to me has severe autism, probably like the other guy you're talking to.
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