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[CambriaRising]

"I'm only a fan when Xbox does it"

-Phil and all Xbox stans

 

[Salty Rice]

Never liked Phil. He was always to me that weird uncle that tries to be cool.

I really miss Don Mattrick.

The 360 comment was stupid but at least he was honest.

Also with him there were games. Phil reduces the size of their lineup with every year.

What if Phil was never the savior to begin with and instead we helped palpatine rise to power?

 

[Tobor]

The real story is that Phil doesn't have the money or pull to get these types of deals anymore.

This combined with the lack of first party content and you can tell Phil is running a vastly reduced budget. I'd love to see numbers on that.

 

[Camells]

I'm wondering if he said that with a straight face

 

[MaximusPayne]

I thought his response was on content that will never come to another console, not timed.

Did I miss something?

 

[Castef]

Totally agreed. Locking away Destiny 2 content for at least one year is disgusting.

"For at least one year"?

There is content for Destiny 1 which is still locked on Sony's platforms...

 

[SprachBrooks]

OH, the thread is just for shit posting and knee jerk reactions them? Ok guys, have fun!

You're being called out on your delusion. Many posters have exemplified why Phil is full of shit. They have given examples where Microsoft has money-hatted games and exclusive content.

 

[Tommi84]

Because it's on Xbox.

Most likely. Sorry, but this comes from a company that forced me to play RoTR a year later, because MS paid someone to do it. I'm pretty sure he would not say exclusive deals are bad if MS had them and not Sony.

 

[shmoglish]

Oh fuck off Phil, seriously. Ms started this shit last gen and from the "22 exclusive games you can only play on xboxpc" are like 18 timed exclusive games. And rhan just remember the Tomb Raider thing ("we wanted our own uncharted"). He may be right with what he says, but coming from his mouth it just stinks.

 

[Interfectum]

I thought his response was on content that will never come to another console, not timed.

Did I miss something?

So when can I play Dead Rising 4 on PS4?

 

[KAOz]

To be fair I think he is referring to content that NEVER reaches another platform like the PS4 Destiny strike, not so much timed stuff.

Don't get me wrong, both are dumb as shit but the former is the worst kind IMO.

Like they did with FIFA?

 

[BeeDog]

I'd argue what Phil/MS do now is much, much worse than what Sony is doing. Most of Sony's deals usually end with them getting odd non-altering visual bonuses for a time (except for the odd permanent DLC exclusive), but regardless of how big/small the (exclusive) DLC is, they don't lock out an entire user segment for the third-party. Just look at how the Tomb Raider exclusivity fucked over Crystal Dynamics/Square Enix.

 

[AHA-Lambda]

Good on you Phil, this is a particularly nasty trend

 

[Real_Madrid]

Phil is pushing it imo. Everyone tries to have exclusive content, Microsoft is just not investing that much in first and third party content.
How many times did they say 'exclusive' at their press conference? While almost always it's just a timed exclusive. Is that pushing the industry forwards?

 

[anddo0]

After doing it for the past few years..

But paying to keep games off another platform for limited time is ok, right Phil?

Not saying the Destiny situation is ok, because it's not, but this is typical Phil speaking from both sides of his mouth.

Of course since it much harder for them to do it now .

Someone needs to check this dude. He's been good for the brand, but has no clue sometimes.

Yes exclusive content deals are bad; Pot says to Kettle

 

[Floody]

I thought his response was on content that will never come to another console, not timed.

Did I miss something?

How much of the marketing exclusive stuff actually stays exclusive forever? Only the platform themed stuff comes to mind.

 

[Basilisco V.]

I always get a good laugh from Phil Spencer and its PR bullshit, in a world coming from the Tomb Raider fiasco, he's now uncomfortable with exclusivity deals.. omg lol. The spin is strong in this one.

 

[Majmun]

"It's only not okay when someone else does it!!"

That's how I read it.

 

[Betty]

Microsoft did the same thing when they had the early rights to Call of Duty DLC and other DLC so Phil can whine all he wants but if he was offered the same from Bungie or whatever he'd take it.

 

[maxiell]

Spencer answers my questions on these topics and more with the down-to-earth style that has won him an army of fans on social media

Good lord that's awful copy.

But wait, maybe Phil just thought of this for the first time yesterday?

 

[Ricky_R]

Hahah oh Phil.

 

[MauroNL]

Like they did with FIFA?

Right, like FIFA. That was a 4 year deal though so that could have been signed a long time before.

Again I think all the exclusive stuff is beyond stupid but I kinda get the point he is trying to make, even though its hyperbole and hypocritcal of him to say.

 

[MomoPufflet]

Phil is indeed not a fan of other companies getting marketing deals with exclusive content.

 

[ToonLink]

Launch exclusive = you get the game a month or so later
Content exclusive = you never get it


It's the difference in getting a call of duty map 30 days later vs never getting a destiny strike (a huge part that game).

But shit works so it's not going to stop.

It's still slimy. He's trying to pretend he's looking out for consumers and developers before his own company's interests, when MS' past actions don't line up with that image. And timed exclusives are often for much more than a month and can hurt overall sales for a title, Tomb Raider for example. At the end of the day, all of these companies are just looking out for their own interests and profits. They could not care less about consumers on other platforms, except in terms of trying to win them over to their own platform.

 

[Ghost Slayer]

Never liked Phil. He was always to me that weird uncle that tries to be cool.

I really miss Don Mattrick.

The 360 comment was stupid but at least he was honest.

Also with him there were games. Phil reduces the size of their lineup with every year.

What if Phil was never the savior to begin with and instead we helped palpatine rise to power?

At least Don Mattrick didn't pretend to be a good guy in the industry. You can get 3rd party deals? Cool, it's business after all but don't pretend you're a good guy here

 

[Bunta]

I respect him even more after saying that.

I too, appreciate massive hypocrisy.

 

[MisterR]

OH, the thread is just for shit posting and knee jerk reactions them? Ok guys, have fun!

The only shit posting came from you, trying to run defense for Phil.

 

[RoyalLaFlame]

Come on guys, Destiny 2 PS exclusive content is temporary. Is not really a good example.



This is a bad trend for sure but Phil, you're such an hypocrite.

 

[FIREKNIGHT2029]

But paying to keep games off another platform for limited time is ok, right Phil?

Man, this guy is so full of shit.

.

 

[thepenguin55]

Wtf ms started this shit last gen...

That's my main beef with his statement. Having said that, I've been trying to think of an example of MS doing exclusive dlc deals since Phil took over and I don't know that they have done any deals like that since he took over. They've done deals like that with games but not dlc. I personally am fine with games launching first on other platforms (though I understand why others are not) but I can't stand it when a game is sliced up for marketing reasons and Destiny is hands down the most aggregious example of this

 

[Breads]

from a technical perspective, is the most powerful console by quite a wide margin. So, when I stood on-stage and I said this will be the best place to play all those games, there’s nothing technically that would keep any developer from not making that true."

To me this sounds like "If it plays the same in xbonx as it does the PS4 don't blame is it's their fault".

 

[Duffman]

I thought his response was on content that will never come to another console, not timed.

Did I miss something?

true, but ms had an exclusivity deal on fifa legends for 3 years so he is a massive hypocrite

 

[sibarraz]

There's a difference between funding a game's development and asking for exclusivity in exchange, rather than paying a small sum for 6 months of exclusivity. If Microsoft was fully funding these games and allowing them to vastly improve upon their vision for the game, that would be one thing. But they arent, so there is really no benefit to the consumer to the exclusivity window.

But what is making us believe than microsoft isn't funding them one way or another? I mean games like cuphead have been showcased almost only on xbox to the point that some people thought that it was a first party game of ms.

Heck,, even considering that it doesn't make any sense, I fail to see how timed exclusives is worse than full time exclusives, or content that will never reach the other console.

Mind you I still think that there is no problem with Sony doing marketing deals with exclusive content, everyone has to sell their consoles one way or another.

 

[hitgirl]

Agreed. The Destiny 2 reveal during the Sony conference was dirty .

 

[Musky_Cheese]

Timed exclusives and exclusive content is equally shitty. How can you be a fan of one but not the other.

 

[SOR5]

I wont defend Phil if hes spouting what I believe to be horseshit (see: constant promises to revitalize first party) but theres three games people are bringing up here:

-Fifa
-The Division
-Rise of the Tomb Raider

Deals that could have started way before his tenure, the Fifa one definitely did

There is a degree of hypocrisy considering how he's benefited though

 

[hanspampel]

Like they did with FIFA?

Correct like the FIFA exclusive content deal Xbox did not continue and renew under the leadership of Phil Spencer

 

[Easy_D]

That was Sony, just like Destiny 2.

Oh. Wait. I got that backwards then, I thought Destiny was Xbox One exclusive. Or was that just an exclusive marketing deal?

 

[MattAces]

What's next? "We shouldn't pay for multiplayer!"

No way he's saying this right? That 23 "exclusive" happened in within the same week.

 

[Interfectum]

Agreed. The Destiny 2 reveal during the Sony conference was dirty .

But entire games being tied to single console for months or years isn't dirty? lol

 

[Occam]

What surprises me most is how he still manages to pull the wool over the eyes of some people here. Denial is a powerful force.

 

[Real_Madrid]

Phil is indeed not a fan of other companies getting marketing deals with exclusive content.

This so much. If he had the funds from Microsoft to invest, he would buy all kinds of exclusive games and items. And that's just normal imo. It's not a pro-consumer thing, but I always find those things very tricky.
Paying for multiplayer for example, is a bad thing for consumers and developers, I don't hear him about that.

 

[Ghost Slayer]

Correct like the FIFA exclusive content deal Xbox did not continue and renew under the leadership of Phil Spencer

So Division? Dude is still full of shit with "Console Launch Exclusive"

 

[duckroll]

Glass... houses...

 

[CambriaRising]

Oh. Wait. I got that backwards then, I thought Destiny was Xbox One exclusive. Or was that just an exclusive marketing deal?

You are thinking of Titanfall.

 

[MisterR]

Correct like the FIFA exclusive content deal Xbox did not continue and renew under the leadership of Phil Spencer

Yep, I'm sure MS let it go out of the good of their heart, right Hanspampel.

 

[Militant17]

Correct like the FIFA exclusive content deal Xbox did not continue and renew under the leadership of Phil Spencer

You think that was Phil Spencer's doing? Hahaha

Everyone mentioning Destiny must forget Titanfall right? Xbox owners might've missed out on the worst strike in Destiny for a year but PS4 players missed out on Titanfall entirely.

 

[Tobor]

I wont defend Phil if hes spouting what I believe to be horseshit (see: constant promises to revitalize first party) but theres three games people are bringing up here:

-Fifa
-The Division
-Rise of the Tomb Raider

Deals that could have started way before his tenure, the Fifa one definitely did

There is a degree of hypocrisy considering how he's benefited though

He ran the software division and made these deals long before he took over the entire Xbox program. Every one of those call of duty deals on the 360 crossed his desk.

 

[DryvBy]

I'm struggling to remember any Msoft exclusive content deals since Phil took over. I also remember that Rise of the Tomb Raider, which kind of goes against this sentiment?

People change I guess. I have to imagine they would have no trouble getting exclusive content deals if they want them.

People change when they're not winning those marketing deals anymore, or putting on their Good Guy hat. This is a corporate dude saying "Hello fellow gamers" and acting like he wouldn't do this if he was the top console.

I think locking out content is stupid. The only time it's acceptable is in the case of Diablo III where the PS3/PS4 version has exclusive enemies and items based on PS games. It is low-level content that's a nudge at PS fans. But it's not locked out levels or anything stupid like that.

 

[Ghost Slayer]

What surprises me most is how he still manages to pull the wool over the eyes of some people here. Denial is a powerful force.

He is Harvey Dent in their eyes.