ResilientBanana
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Reports of Bricked NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 and RTX 5090D Surge
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
RROD and YLOD after the warrant ends is better???
Imagine buying a prebuild plus without warranty.
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Dorago
Member
Has this "Nvidia most successful company ever" thing just been a huge money laundering scam?
They seem to be spending plenty of money on ad campaigns, PowerPoint presentations, and public private partnerships but don't seem to have produced a GPU that was worth a shit since the 1080.
Their new gen connector catching fire even after they recalled it the first time is a huge red flag too.
They seem to be spending plenty of money on ad campaigns, PowerPoint presentations, and public private partnerships but don't seem to have produced a GPU that was worth a shit since the 1080.
Their new gen connector catching fire even after they recalled it the first time is a huge red flag too.
Celcius
°Temp. member
This is just nonsense lol
rm082e
Member
- The 2000 series was a poor value proposition overall. But the 2080 Ti did have really good overclocking potential. I never saw anyone who bought that card complain about it.
- People who bought 3000 series cards were quite pleased with them. Part of that is the 2000 series being disappointing, but the 3000 series was a solid performer at a time when a lot of people were playing more games due to quarantine.
- The 4090 is still quite impressive, aside form the crazy high price.
- I'm not about to defend any SKU in the 5000 series though. It's just a case of Nvidia having zero competition at this point. We saw the same thing with 5-8% improvements from one generation to the next during the quad core days of Intel.
I'd like to see how many examples of this happening to 5090s we actually see real world evidence for. This hasn't been an issue on the 4090 for a while, so the idea that it's suddenly a problem again on the 5090 is suspicious. I am guessing this is panic over a very small number of user error instances.
V1LÆM
Gold Member
Pay with credit card and charge back if you need to. If you buy on eBay then they might force the seller to return the money.
Guardian Monkey
Member
Not sure why they are still there. But you probably tell them to leave.
If you are talking returning an it, would probably best to reach out to them to see what can be arranged.
they are last seen camping at RMA centers i heard
baphomet
Member
Do you even know what money laundering is?
The 10 series was pretty ass.
They never recalled their connector?
Rocco Schiavone
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Syphon Filter
Member
cope more nvidia shill
Ulysses 31
Member
How much do you care about cable management? One vs 4 cables to power the 5090.
Roman Empire
Member
Early adopters taking the brunt of it as always. Sad to see history repeating itself and people not learning from it.
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CompleteGlobalSaturation
Member
Pumping 600W via this cable just doesn't seem like a wise idea.
CompleteGlobalSaturation
Member
Just save yourself the trouble and wait for the 6000 series instead.
I think the 5000 series is only worthwhile if you're upgrading from a weak tier 3000 series or any 2000 series GPU.
Ulysses 31
Member
That cable itself looks a bit scetchy, almost DYI quality.
Most 12VHWPR cables I've seen look more like this
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Hohenheim
Member
I prefer a single cable, but if it's safer to use 4 cables and the adapter, i'd rather do it that way.
The PSU only have three 8-pin inputs on it though. And two 16 pin input. Wouldn't it have to be four 8 pin inputs for using the adapter that comes with the cards?
I currently use the 16 pin cable that came with the PSU to power my 4070 Super, and don't use the 2x8 pin adapter that came with that card.
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Ulysses 31
Member
Doesn't look like you got a choice with that PSU anyway to use the 12VHWPR cable unless you wanna run the 5090 with scaled back power with 3 of the 4 8-pins used on the adapter.
I've not heard about multiple 8-pins -> 12VHWPR being better for worse for power delivery, only that's it's worse for cable management.
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PaintTinJr
Member
If the single cable (with six cable pairs, so assuming 100watts per pair) is rated correctly you'll get marginally better power efficiency and - assuming it is an all or nothing cable design - you can be sure that in operation the card will either have access to the necessary 600w or 0w, where as the adapter could have just one 150watt port functional and operate the card fine on low power and blow something when stepping up to draw more, or any other combination of 150, 300, 450 that wouldn't report as failing but could risk damaging the card.
And assuming the adapter has more cable pairings than 6(it does because you'd have to adapt two 6pins to an 8pin), the increased metal means marginally more resistances, and marginally more energy wasted as heat.
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Hohenheim
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Yeah, i've tried searching for info about this, and it seems to be no negatives in using the single 16pin cable. Easier for cable management too, as you said. It's a new ATX 3.1 PSU, so I guess I can't really take any more safety-measures, except for making sure the cable is properly plugged in of course.Doesn't look like you got a choice with that PSU anyway to use the 12VHWPR cable unless you wanna run the 5090 with scaled back power with 3 of the 4 8-pins used on the adapter.
I've not heard about multiple 8-pins -> 12VHWPR being better for worse for power delivery, only that's it's worse for cable management.
The adapter that comes with the 5090 has a yellow "safety thing" that easily lets you see if the connection is properly in, but I have never had any issues connecting these cables, and since it's the official cable that came with the PSU it should hopefully be fine.
Using three 8-pin connectors for lower power usage could be a option though, since the cards only lose about 5% performance for draws lot less power
But if just feels wrong somehow to not connect all four if going that route.. i'm probably overthinking this
DirtInUrEye
Member
Toddler logic
Doctor Hades
Member
Since there are so few 5080 and 5090s out there at the moment due to demand far exceeding available stock (whether intentional or not) then any issues with these cards is going to come across as comparatively worse than if they had been widely available.
Also, the people having issues with these will be far more vocal about the problems than those that aren't (since you aren't going to be shouting out on an internet forum that your new card works - why would you when that is what you would expect!).
All new products launch with issues or faulty hardware but it is just far too early to tell if this is a widespread issue or just something isolated to a few vocal but unlucky PC users who were stupid enough to buy the graphics cards from scalpers.
Also, the people having issues with these will be far more vocal about the problems than those that aren't (since you aren't going to be shouting out on an internet forum that your new card works - why would you when that is what you would expect!).
All new products launch with issues or faulty hardware but it is just far too early to tell if this is a widespread issue or just something isolated to a few vocal but unlucky PC users who were stupid enough to buy the graphics cards from scalpers.
Hohenheim
Member
Yeah, it's a single 600w 16-pin cable that came with the PSU, so should be rated correctly.
Thanks, this was very informative and makes me feel safer using that 600w single cable with the 5090, and forget about the 4-way adapter that comes with the card.
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BlackTron
Member
Nvidia has nothing to sweat, it happened to Intel first and they already figured out what to do.
Just blame it on the mobo makers. Bam done!
CompleteGlobalSaturation
Member
Yeah I would only ever recommend using official cables only.That cable itself looks a bit scetchy, almost DYI quality.
Most 12VHWPR cables I've seen look more like this
I personally use an official Seasonic cable for my GPU (12VHWPR -> 2x 8 pins).
Cablemod was pretty popular - but I do not know how reliable they as there were tons of RMA threads on Reddit.
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Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
panda-zebra
Member
Assumed that video above would just be random 3rd party commentary, but no, he's got hold of the card people had been posting shots of and commenting on and he'd already noticed irregularities with his own system that were at least similar. Informative video.
Imagine next gen consoles has the same issue? I'm going retro this way to clear my mind and just think about the games.
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kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
Nvidia won't know what's coming when they lose that class action lawsuit and will have to reimburse every single RTX 5090 FE owner. Wow!
PaintTinJr
Member
That's an informative video, but unless PCIe power specs have changed, the mobo PCIe socket is carrying the first 75watts of that GPU load, so even shaving 75watts off the 660watt cable rating, the cable under normal circumstances should still be able to take the 525watt maximum, across the 6 cable pairs, but if he's reading +20amps, it means one single cable pair is doing +240watts of that possible 400watts cable power draw.(IIRC he said system draw was 575watts, system at 100watts, and PCIE power at 75watts).
Despite Molex cables saying gold with nickel was good, the problem with gold in that scenario is that it is a softer metal and is less heat resistant, so conductivity on those first set of pins at 100deg C - which it should be nowhere near - reduces conductivity rapidly causing resistance to current, causing even more power draw, in a cyclical trap, and on every use the first pairing getting that hot is causing the thermal and electrical shielding on the first pair to degrade increasing electrical interference. How this has got through testing and into a product is shocking, and downright dangerous, there should be 400watt power limit per PC component, unless we are taking the foreman grill with kettle design into the PC world.
Zero common sense on display from the world's richest company designing GPUs, who could have guess it?
Despite Molex cables saying gold with nickel was good, the problem with gold in that scenario is that it is a softer metal and is less heat resistant, so conductivity on those first set of pins at 100deg C - which it should be nowhere near - reduces conductivity rapidly causing resistance to current, causing even more power draw, in a cyclical trap, and on every use the first pairing getting that hot is causing the thermal and electrical shielding on the first pair to degrade increasing electrical interference. How this has got through testing and into a product is shocking, and downright dangerous, there should be 400watt power limit per PC component, unless we are taking the foreman grill with kettle design into the PC world.
Zero common sense on display from the world's richest company designing GPUs, who could have guess it?
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Jinzo Prime
Member
A single wire carrying 23 Amps while every other one doing 3-12? And that's using an offical Corsair cable?Assumed that video above would just be random 3rd party commentary, but no, he's got hold of the card people had been posting shots of and commenting on and he'd already noticed irregularities with his own system that were at least similar. Informative video.
That is a terrible design, I don't think the blame falls on ModDIY here.
Edit: also 300°F on the PSU side? That's oven baking temps, on an open bench. Imagine how hot it gets in a case.
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SunnySideGuy
Member
Hopefully Nvidia responds to this and doesn't just hope people forget. This shit is dangerous and isn't a joke. What happens to the people that currently have 5090 FE cards? Do they get replacement cables or just yolo and hope it doesn't happen to them?
PaintTinJr
Member
Looking at the part in the video where he measures the amps on each pair and adding them up is interesting.
23 amps
2 amps
5 amps
11 amps
8 amps
3 amps
= 52Amps @ 12volts - 624watts in the cable with the first pair having 276watts
Which suggests that 191watts of that 276watts is just heating the first pair to find an equilibrium point - for current drift velocity IIRC - where the pair is delivering the (presumably) necessary 85watts it supposed to carry and the resistance due to heat has stabilized so the loss of heat to the cable and environment is matched to the excess 191watts, which is then allowing 28amps split across the others to actually supply another 336watts (75watts for mobo slot + 85watts on pair one) meaning the RTX 5090 FE actually using just shy of 500watts(496watts) to play SW Outlaws IIRC.
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N1tr0sOx1d3
Given another chance
It’s 10:30pm here in the UK. I’m about to head off to bed. I’m knackered after a hard slog at work.
This made me laugh out loud. Thank you
all their money comes from selling rack mount clistered GPUs to companies for AI farms. they don't care about selling for much lower margin to people running silly little video games and then whine and cry about it.