Ulysses 31
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Sounds like an issue people with CPU heatsinks will have to deal with, people with CPU AIO liquid cooling might not be so affected.
Meh
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RTX 5090 Review Thread
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Kings Field
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Seems like a good deal for the people selling their 4090's at cost or even more and for the newbie PCers like me.
I'll probably either try to get one later this year if I can't at launch or just get a pre built (lower possibility as I want to build my own).
I'll probably either try to get one later this year if I can't at launch or just get a pre built (lower possibility as I want to build my own).
Yerd
Member
God damn, I was mildly exited to get a new GPU to upgrade my 3090FE. Which I am cooling with a custom loop. I was planning on not continuing to watercool, but the sound level is gross. 40db sound produced by this thing. I was liking everything I saw about their new cooler, until the reviews show why it should have been bigger.
So, I stick with my 3090 for another generation maybe. Or spend 2k if I can even get one, then another $150-300 for a water block, and since I'm upgrading cpu another water block for that. Fuck me.
I will try to get one, if I can't, I'll not be concerned.
So, I stick with my 3090 for another generation maybe. Or spend 2k if I can even get one, then another $150-300 for a water block, and since I'm upgrading cpu another water block for that. Fuck me.
I will try to get one, if I can't, I'll not be concerned.
//DEVIL//
Member
yup. I was so down to buy one. I am so out of it now. just gonna find again a used 4090 and be done with it till 6000 series. i am not liking the 5080 for that much with 16 gig of ram. that is the minimum these days for 4k. so to me its either 4090 or 5090. when I can get a 4090 used for almost half of the price of a 5090 here in Canada.... 2k CAD vs at least 3.5 CAD... yeah ill stick with a 4090. not worth it.
diablos991
Can’t stump the diablos
5090 day 1. This AI stuff is going to pan out better than the curmudgeon old school PC folk think it will.
darrylgorn
Member
Less than 30% on baseline?
Ironbunny
Member
Might be but that is just a guess. RTX took two generations to be usable.
Ironbunny
Member
Soo, does this affect nvidia chips?
www.techpowerup.com
Around 20,000 TSMC Wafers Reported Damaged by Earthquake
Earlier this week, Taiwan experienced a magnitude 6.4 earthquake—this seismic event interrupted manufacturing activities at several TSMC chip-making facilities. As a precaution, foundry employees in both Central and Southern Taiwan were evacuated. Production resumed fairly quickly following...
Thebonehead
Gold Member
Soo, does this affect nvidia chips?
Around 20,000 TSMC Wafers Reported Damaged by Earthquake
Earlier this week, Taiwan experienced a magnitude 6.4 earthquake—this seismic event interrupted manufacturing activities at several TSMC chip-making facilities. As a precaution, foundry employees in both Central and Southern Taiwan were evacuated. Production resumed fairly quickly following...
It's less than a days worth of production across 3 sites.
Also for reference it takes around 3 months to produce a chip as it goes through, sometimes in excess of a thousand different parts of the process.
If any one part is off it's game over for that wafer, which they sometimes won't even find until the very end when it's tested.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
That’s cute. You actually think you’re gonna be able to get one.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Either way this is a great day for 4090 owners.
Let’s say the 5090 gats decent stock down the line (I doubt that will happen unless the AI bubble pops), you’ll still be able to get good money for the 4090 as it will still be the second best GPU.
Anyone that already sold their 4090 is going to look foolish when they don’t have a GPU for a while. Because they make the same mistake people make every gen. The 5090 is going to have such limited availability. Nvidia has no incentive to sell these when they have all the incentive to use them for AI with an extra zero on the cost.
Let’s say the 5090 gats decent stock down the line (I doubt that will happen unless the AI bubble pops), you’ll still be able to get good money for the 4090 as it will still be the second best GPU.
Anyone that already sold their 4090 is going to look foolish when they don’t have a GPU for a while. Because they make the same mistake people make every gen. The 5090 is going to have such limited availability. Nvidia has no incentive to sell these when they have all the incentive to use them for AI with an extra zero on the cost.
Cakeboxer
Gold Member
Good luck. Used 4090s are not cheap, at least not in my country they are going for 1.500-2.000 Euro and you have no warranty.
daninthemix
Member
Don't love the performance and definitely don't love the extra power / heat being shoved out into the case. I do love MFG. We always used to shoot for 60fps - now we can again, and then just use MFG to make that (visually) 240fps.
Ulysses 31
Member
So they'll have to become more innovative or efficient for the next generations to come till GPU cards can draw more than 600W.
Thebonehead
Gold Member
3nm will bring performance gains and less power draw.
That node is more expensive though with the wafers costing 25% more last time I looked than the 5nm.
A2una1
Member
What turns me down the most is the high power consumption. Electricity isn't cheap around here, and seeing the increase in power is linear with its rise in computational power over the 4090 it means basicly there was no evident raise in efficency. So not that compelling of a product.
GHG
Member
Meh
Looks like the design of the cooler is just dumping heat directly in to the case (specifically upwards towards the CPU and RAM).
It's in scenarios like this where an option for a blower style cooler wouldn't be a bad thing.
Smiggs
Member
From what I understand (someone correct me if I'm wrong) if you're getting 60 FPS normally, it will display 200+ FPS with it on. While it will look like 200 FPS on screen, it will still feel like you're playing at 60 with input lag.
SaniOYOYOY
Member
Just as a gaming card no,
But with the latest deepseek r1, idk might want to buy and host that AI locally. Kinda justifies the 2000 pricetag
But with the latest deepseek r1, idk might want to buy and host that AI locally. Kinda justifies the 2000 pricetag
FingerBang
Member
This generation, incredibly, sounds like it will suck even more than the previous one. That said, I need a second card for 1440p HRR and at this point I'm really pissed at AMD for their retarded strategy because I'd happily go for a GPU with about 4080 performance at a much lower price. I'll see if I can get a 5080 next week. I might be tempted by a 5090, but I really doubt to be one of the 10 lucky winners 
Apparently, yes. But for the rest is very similar to the "old" frame gen, so you can expect visible artifacting unless your game is already running at a high refresh rate.
Schmendrick
Member
It´s really not the GPU makers but the foundries that have "hit a wall" unfortunately.
WhamBamThankYouMaam
Member
So, beside the fact that it seems you need liquid coolng to save your cpu - what life span can you expect from a card of this caliber? If the computer is sized appropriately, that is.
Bojji
Member
You mean life for gaming or life before it breaks?
5090 will get you through whole PS6 generation, maybe it will loose to PS6 Pro - this message can be quoted in 2035.
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winjer
Member
Of course these leachers would how up...
Kilau
Gold Member
Do you have a source for this blurb? Couple of things standout that make me question this.
Meh
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
It’s always amusing to see people selling what they don’t possess.Of course these leachers would how up...
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
No. Plenty of blame falls on developers. They suck ass at optimization and are over relying on DLSS and Frame gen.
It’s only going to get worse.
STARSBarry
Gold Member
Meh
So one issue I'm not seeing talked about enough is while the 5090 has an amazing cooler, where that extra heat from the wattage is being dumped?
It's being dumped right back into the case leading to stuff like this even with good airflow cases.
This is why they really need too focus on getting that wattage back down in future gens.
I think this will be a headline issue in the coming months.
That depends, think about where AIO CPU coolers normally sit and the rotation of the fans, they are normally on the top or back of the case (in rare instances) and are outake fans.
Meaning they take air from inside the case and then blow it out, that's why you can see the fans at the bottom of the heatsink, that means for an overwhelming majority of designs you are still expected to take air from inside the case which is where the 5090 is dumping the hot air, so you get the exact same issue with 90% of the AIO's in the market. Some can be fitted so their set as an intake at the front which could potentially avoid the issue, but then the 5090 will be starting with much hotter air coming into the case and you have potentially a much worse issue due to how hot the memory on the 5090 runs already.
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Schmendrick
Member
uhm we`re talking about hardware performance here, so.....
FingerBang
Member
Most of my dev friends are pissed at the current state of the market because what they're adding is basically crutches.
Everybody thinks we're all gaining performance with DLSS and the like, ignoring how upscaling and FG are now being used to justify even shittier game optimization. This is an issue that is only going to get bigger in the future, with more developers unable to squeeze performance from the hardware and being incentivized to toggle "AI features" to reach 60 fps.
Everybody who thinks otherwise simply has no idea what they're talking about.
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Kenpachii
Member
So one issue I'm not seeing talked about enough is while the 5090 has an amazing cooler, where that extra heat from the wattage is being dumped?
It's being dumped right back into the case leading to stuff like this even with good airflow cases.
This is why they really need too focus on getting that wattage back down in future gens.
I think this will be a headline issue in the coming months.
That depends, think about where AIO CPU coolers normally sit and the rotation of the fans, they are normally on the top or back of the case (in rare instances) and are outake fans.
Meaning they take air from inside the case and then blow it out, that's why you can see the fans at the bottom of the heatsink, that means for an overwhelming majority of designs you are still expected to take air from inside the case which is where the 5090 is dumping the hot air, so you get the exact same issue with 90% of the AIO's in the market. Some can be fitted so their set as an intake at the front which could potentially avoid the issue, but then the 5090 will be starting with much hotter air coming into the case and you have potentially a much worse issue due to how hot the memory on the 5090 runs already.
Uff imagine oced 14900k
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
This has been an issue for a while but yeah it’s going to be much worse with these 575w cards. The heat blows upward where it gets sucked right into the CPU tower cooler, or into the AIO radiator if you have it mounted on top.So one issue I'm not seeing talked about enough is while the 5090 has an amazing cooler, where that extra heat from the wattage is being dumped?
It's being dumped right back into the case leading to stuff like this even with good airflow cases.
This is why they really need too focus on getting that wattage back down in future gens.
I think this will be a headline issue in the coming months.
IMO the ideal setup is to have the AIO side mounted as intake. Or if you mount it on top, at least make sure you have lots of cool air coming in through the front to displace as much of the GPU exhaust as possible before it gets sucked into the radiator.
STARSBarry
Gold Member
Only issue with that is outside of a shared custom loop (with im expecting to see some videos in the coming months) the 5900 runs it's memory hot compared to the 4090. So while the cooler is very efficient it seems to have issues with that. This could potentially mean increasing the intake temperature via having the CPU cooler first before hitting the GPU could push that into critical temps and throttling.
But I will leave that up to the experts to test it just don't really like these temps.
I might just get a 5080, because while it's not much of an upgrade to a 4080 (im actually excited about the frame generation and how Reflex 2 interacts with it) it is an upgrade to my 10GB RTX 3080.
Saves me a grand and a whole headache when it comes to temprature.
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FeralEcho
Member
Is that how we call greed now?
At the rate this is going I'm kind of surprised that case manufacturers haven't tried putting in a divider between the CPU and GPU sections and then setup sets of fans to blow air between the 2 sections.
winjer
Member
So one issue I'm not seeing talked about enough is while the 5090 has an amazing cooler, where that extra heat from the wattage is being dumped?
It's being dumped right back into the case leading to stuff like this even with good airflow cases.
This is why they really need too focus on getting that wattage back down in future gens.
I think this will be a headline issue in the coming months.
That depends, think about where AIO CPU coolers normally sit and the rotation of the fans, they are normally on the top or back of the case (in rare instances) and are outake fans.
Meaning they take air from inside the case and then blow it out, that's why you can see the fans at the bottom of the heatsink, that means for an overwhelming majority of designs you are still expected to take air from inside the case which is where the 5090 is dumping the hot air, so you get the exact same issue with 90% of the AIO's in the market. Some can be fitted so their set as an intake at the front which could potentially avoid the issue, but then the 5090 will be starting with much hotter air coming into the case and you have potentially a much worse issue due to how hot the memory on the 5090 runs already.
That is a terrible cooler design.
It's nice that it keeps the GPU a bit cooler, but it's to the detriment of the CPU. And I bet it will also affect memory temperatures.
I can already see people with a 5090FE having instability issues in the summer, due to the CPU and especially the memory being blasted with a ton of hot air.
Nvidia should try to improve ways to extract the GPU hot air from the case, not dump it on top of other hardware.
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
Should be interesting to see. But in my experience, unless you’re running a very power hungry CPU, the temperature differential between air going into the radiator vs coming out of it is only a few degrees. And ideally you’ll have intake fans on the bottom of your case blowing cool air directly into the GPU so barely any radiator exhaust will get sucked into it anyway.
On a side note, I think it would be really valuable if one of the review sites would do a comprehensive study on a popular case design like the O11 Evo, stick a 5090 + 14900K in there, and test every possible cooling configuration. NH-D15 G2, 360 AIO, top radiator, side radiator intake, side radiator exhaust, with and without top fans/rear exhaust fan. Etc.
I’ve always wondered the same thing! Like with the Torrent, imagine having a divider where one of those 180mm front fans blows straight into the CPU cooler and the other feeds the GPU (although this would be a little tricky now because newer GPUs have that flow-through design).
Or like, have some divider where the front/side radiators can take in air and exhaust it up through the top without entering the rest of the case, while the GPU gets cooled by bottom intakes and exhausts out the rear.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Kilau
Gold Member
So one issue I'm not seeing talked about enough is while the 5090 has an amazing cooler, where that extra heat from the wattage is being dumped?
It's being dumped right back into the case leading to stuff like this even with good airflow cases.
This is why they really need too focus on getting that wattage back down in future gens.
I think this will be a headline issue in the coming months.
That depends, think about where AIO CPU coolers normally sit and the rotation of the fans, they are normally on the top or back of the case (in rare instances) and are outake fans.
Meaning they take air from inside the case and then blow it out, that's why you can see the fans at the bottom of the heatsink, that means for an overwhelming majority of designs you are still expected to take air from inside the case which is where the 5090 is dumping the hot air, so you get the exact same issue with 90% of the AIO's in the market. Some can be fitted so their set as an intake at the front which could potentially avoid the issue, but then the 5090 will be starting with much hotter air coming into the case and you have potentially a much worse issue due to how hot the memory on the 5090 runs already.
This is a concern for me. That fist blurb is a bit suspect but your graph seems to support it. My AIO is top mounted but my case has excellent airflow, guess I’ll find out when I get one.