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Russia begins Invasion of Ukraine

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FunkMiller

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That was an excellent read, really thorough analysis of the geopolitical fuckup that was invading Ukraine and how it not only strengthen the west but also simultaneously fucked over China, he really should've listened to his old buddy Winnie the Poo

Yeah, great article. He flies off into some flights of fancy towards the end that expose some of his own biases, but as a snapshot of how fundamental the war in Ukraine has completely changed the world, it‘s an excellent read.

Putin has weakened Russia, weakened China, strengthened America, and brought Europe back from the brink.

His is the single greatest military and political blunder in modern history.

And, of course, the mounting panic among both the far left and the far right across the world is explained by the idea that this new / old world order is going to be ushered in by a liberal US government, and its liberal allies in Europe And Asia.
 
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Kraz

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About 70 of the 155 mm guns along with roughly 70,000 artillery rounds have been transferred to Ukraine so far, a senior defense official told reporters on Monday. More than 200 Ukrainian troops are expected to be trained on how to operate the howitzers by the end of Monday with another 50 Ukrainian service members scheduled to begin training later this week.

The first Ukrainian artillerymen were trained by Canadian troops and other Ukrainians were taught how to operate the howitzers by Florida National Guardsmen, the senior defense official said at a Pentagon news briefing. Those guardsmen had been on a training mission inside Ukraine before the Russian invasion and now they are continuing their mission in Germany.

The Defense Department is also providing Ukrainian forces with 14 counter-artillery radars. Combined with those radars, which the Ukrainians have been receiving since 2015, the howitzers will allow Ukrainian forces to target and attack Russian tube and rocket artillery, said retired Army Lt. Gen. Ben Hodges, former commander of U.S. Army Europe.


“The radar intercepts incoming artillery and then your own guns can shoot back at where it came from quickly,” Hodges said. “This is an important part of the fight. And so, providing the Ukrainians additional artillery will enable them to destroy – or at least disrupt – the Russian artillery and rocket launchers that are causing the most damage against Ukrainians – but also against towns and cities.”

Artillery is generally used against targets in the open, such as air defense systems, logistics areas, and convoys of lightly armored vehicles, Hodges said. Other prime targets for artillery include command posts and headquarters.

“If you discover a division or combined arms army headquarters in a village or set up somewhere – that’s exactly what you would want to do, is hammer that with artillery,” Hodges said.

As well as providing the Ukrainians with a strong defensive capability, the howitzers would also allow Ukrainian forces to switch to offense, Hodges said. “If there is a counterattack of any sort by the Ukrainians or a conventional counter-offensive, they will need the artillery to support their attack as well,” he said.

There are two ways the Ukrainians could use their new howitzers to go on the attack: They could fire massive barrages to blow holes through the Russian lines, or they could destroy Russian artillery ahead of the attack, said retired Army Col. Tom Davis, who led the 4th Battalion, 82nd Field Artillery Regiment in the 3rd Armored Division during the 1991 Gulf War.

Every time the Russians fire one of their own artillery pieces, they will have to pack up and move to avoid the Ukrainian counter fire, Davis told Task & Purpose. The Russians also tend to concentrate their artillery “hub-to-hub” while the U.S. military keeps artillery units spread out as a form of protection.

Ultimately, the Ukrainians should receive a total of 183,000 artillery rounds for their M777 howitzers, according to the Defense Department. To put that number into perspective, Davis said that his battalion fired fewer than 1,000 rounds during the Gulf War’s four-day ground campaign.



Video from April 23rd that claims 92% of previously recorded hits with Excalibur were within 4m.
Recent clips might be confirming that claim if these are the systems the Ukrainians are seen putting to good use.
 

akimbo009

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About 70 of the 155 mm guns along with roughly 70,000 artillery rounds have been transferred to Ukraine so far, a senior defense official told reporters on Monday. More than 200 Ukrainian troops are expected to be trained on how to operate the howitzers by the end of Monday with another 50 Ukrainian service members scheduled to begin training later this week.

The first Ukrainian artillerymen were trained by Canadian troops and other Ukrainians were taught how to operate the howitzers by Florida National Guardsmen, the senior defense official said at a Pentagon news briefing. Those guardsmen had been on a training mission inside Ukraine before the Russian invasion and now they are continuing their mission in Germany.

The Defense Department is also providing Ukrainian forces with 14 counter-artillery radars. Combined with those radars, which the Ukrainians have been receiving since 2015, the howitzers will allow Ukrainian forces to target and attack Russian tube and rocket artillery, said retired Army Lt. Gen. Ben Hodges, former commander of U.S. Army Europe.


“The radar intercepts incoming artillery and then your own guns can shoot back at where it came from quickly,” Hodges said. “This is an important part of the fight. And so, providing the Ukrainians additional artillery will enable them to destroy – or at least disrupt – the Russian artillery and rocket launchers that are causing the most damage against Ukrainians – but also against towns and cities.”

Artillery is generally used against targets in the open, such as air defense systems, logistics areas, and convoys of lightly armored vehicles, Hodges said. Other prime targets for artillery include command posts and headquarters.

“If you discover a division or combined arms army headquarters in a village or set up somewhere – that’s exactly what you would want to do, is hammer that with artillery,” Hodges said.

As well as providing the Ukrainians with a strong defensive capability, the howitzers would also allow Ukrainian forces to switch to offense, Hodges said. “If there is a counterattack of any sort by the Ukrainians or a conventional counter-offensive, they will need the artillery to support their attack as well,” he said.

There are two ways the Ukrainians could use their new howitzers to go on the attack: They could fire massive barrages to blow holes through the Russian lines, or they could destroy Russian artillery ahead of the attack, said retired Army Col. Tom Davis, who led the 4th Battalion, 82nd Field Artillery Regiment in the 3rd Armored Division during the 1991 Gulf War.

Every time the Russians fire one of their own artillery pieces, they will have to pack up and move to avoid the Ukrainian counter fire, Davis told Task & Purpose. The Russians also tend to concentrate their artillery “hub-to-hub” while the U.S. military keeps artillery units spread out as a form of protection.

Ultimately, the Ukrainians should receive a total of 183,000 artillery rounds for their M777 howitzers, according to the Defense Department. To put that number into perspective, Davis said that his battalion fired fewer than 1,000 rounds during the Gulf War’s four-day ground campaign.



Video from April 23rd that claims 92% of previously recorded hits with Excalibur were within 4m.
Recent clips might be confirming that claim if these are the systems the Ukrainians are seen putting to good use.


Excalibur you say.... Ohhh yeah. Let's gooo!
 

FunkMiller

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As well as providing the Ukrainians with a strong defensive capability, the howitzers would also allow Ukrainian forces to switch to offense, Hodges said. “If there is a counterattack of any sort by the Ukrainians or a conventional counter-offensive, they will need the artillery to support their attack as well,” he said.

There are two ways the Ukrainians could use their new howitzers to go on the attack: They could fire massive barrages to blow holes through the Russian lines, or they could destroy Russian artillery ahead of the attack, said retired Army Col. Tom Davis, who led the 4th Battalion, 82nd Field Artillery Regiment in the 3rd Armored Division during the 1991 Gulf War.

Every time the Russians fire one of their own artillery pieces, they will have to pack up and move to avoid the Ukrainian counter fire, Davis told Task & Purpose. The Russians also tend to concentrate their artillery “hub-to-hub” while the U.S. military keeps artillery units spread out as a form of protection.

Ultimately, the Ukrainians should receive a total of 183,000 artillery rounds for their M777 howitzers, according to the Defense Department. To put that number into perspective, Davis said that his battalion fired fewer than 1,000 rounds during the Gulf War’s four-day ground campaign.

It's going to be a fucking slaughter, isn't it?

You now have the might of the US military being brought to bear on the battlefield via a proxy nation, against what is clearly an underfunded, corrupt, and poorly trained enemy.

And I'm here for it. So very, very much here for it (y)
 

TwinB242

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It's going to be a fucking slaughter, isn't it?

You now have the might of the US military being brought to bear on the battlefield via a proxy nation, against what is clearly an underfunded, corrupt, and poorly trained enemy.

And I'm here for it. So very, very much here for it (y)

To be fair this is a different conflict compared to the Gulf War. Ukraine themselves said they were using thousands of artillery rounds a day, so those 183K could potentially dry up pretty quickly especially if they start focusing on counter offensives. Hopefully the U.S. and EU have the capability to continue supplying them with a steady stream of rounds over time if needed.
 

FunkMiller

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To be fair this is a different conflict compared to the Gulf War. Ukraine themselves said they were using thousands of artillery rounds a day, so those 183K could potentially dry up pretty quickly especially if they start focusing on counter offensives. Hopefully the U.S. and EU have the capability to continue supplying them with a steady stream of rounds over time if needed.

I don't think there's any doubt about Ukraine being continually supplied with military support in the future. This really has become a proxy war about the future of the global socio-political structure, and it's one the Americans very much want to win now. The west can smell blood in the water having realised how weak Russia actually is, and I don't think we're going to pass up the opportunity to suck Putin dry of whatever offensive capabilities he has. His hubris and stupidity won't allow him to just accept defeat and withdraw, so he's going to keep throwing his cannon fodder at increasingly larger, more deadly and more advanced military hardware, which he has no hope of being able to counter. And the US probably looks at the situation, and what it could mean for the future, and figures that an up front out lay of multibillions of dollars is more than worth it for the long term gains.
 
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About 70 of the 155 mm guns along with roughly 70,000 artillery rounds have been transferred to Ukraine so far, a senior defense official told reporters on Monday. More than 200 Ukrainian troops are expected to be trained on how to operate the howitzers by the end of Monday with another 50 Ukrainian service members scheduled to begin training later this week.

The first Ukrainian artillerymen were trained by Canadian troops and other Ukrainians were taught how to operate the howitzers by Florida National Guardsmen, the senior defense official said at a Pentagon news briefing. Those guardsmen had been on a training mission inside Ukraine before the Russian invasion and now they are continuing their mission in Germany.

The Defense Department is also providing Ukrainian forces with 14 counter-artillery radars. Combined with those radars, which the Ukrainians have been receiving since 2015, the howitzers will allow Ukrainian forces to target and attack Russian tube and rocket artillery, said retired Army Lt. Gen. Ben Hodges, former commander of U.S. Army Europe.


“The radar intercepts incoming artillery and then your own guns can shoot back at where it came from quickly,” Hodges said. “This is an important part of the fight. And so, providing the Ukrainians additional artillery will enable them to destroy – or at least disrupt – the Russian artillery and rocket launchers that are causing the most damage against Ukrainians – but also against towns and cities.”

Artillery is generally used against targets in the open, such as air defense systems, logistics areas, and convoys of lightly armored vehicles, Hodges said. Other prime targets for artillery include command posts and headquarters.

“If you discover a division or combined arms army headquarters in a village or set up somewhere – that’s exactly what you would want to do, is hammer that with artillery,” Hodges said.

As well as providing the Ukrainians with a strong defensive capability, the howitzers would also allow Ukrainian forces to switch to offense, Hodges said. “If there is a counterattack of any sort by the Ukrainians or a conventional counter-offensive, they will need the artillery to support their attack as well,” he said.

There are two ways the Ukrainians could use their new howitzers to go on the attack: They could fire massive barrages to blow holes through the Russian lines, or they could destroy Russian artillery ahead of the attack, said retired Army Col. Tom Davis, who led the 4th Battalion, 82nd Field Artillery Regiment in the 3rd Armored Division during the 1991 Gulf War.

Every time the Russians fire one of their own artillery pieces, they will have to pack up and move to avoid the Ukrainian counter fire, Davis told Task & Purpose. The Russians also tend to concentrate their artillery “hub-to-hub” while the U.S. military keeps artillery units spread out as a form of protection.

Ultimately, the Ukrainians should receive a total of 183,000 artillery rounds for their M777 howitzers, according to the Defense Department. To put that number into perspective, Davis said that his battalion fired fewer than 1,000 rounds during the Gulf War’s four-day ground campaign.



Video from April 23rd that claims 92% of previously recorded hits with Excalibur were within 4m.
Recent clips might be confirming that claim if these are the systems the Ukrainians are seen putting to good use.

GPS guided artillery?

wtf
 

FunkMiller

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GPS guided artillery?

wtf

Yep. They're going to be able to pick off entire BTGs from 50 kilometres away.

Can you imagine being a Russian soldier in the next few weeks? Not only do you have to deal with loitering Switchblade drones that can silently watch you, target you, and then turn you into paste before you've even registered the damn thing exists. You also have huge, explosive munitions that can obliterate you, your mates, the tanks around you, and the entire command post your sheltering in, from such a distance that you won't even hear the damn thing being fired at you.

The entire Russian army are going to become one giant test subject for every single nasty fucking thing the US military have developed over the last two decades with that trillion dollar budget.
 
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Meicyn

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The entire Russian army are going to become one giant test subject for every single nasty fucking thing the US military have developed over the last two decades with that trillion dollar budget.
Yup. Defense contractors are giddy with glee at the opportunity to get real world results. Can’t beat “battlefield proven to blow Russian shit up” for a marketing strategy to future buyers.
 

Relique

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This is a big fucking problem if it happens and I could see this dragging the war out for years. I hope the new military aid package can allow Ukraine to refocus their efforts and start driving back the orcs.
 

akimbo009

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This is a big fucking problem if it happens and I could see this dragging the war out for years. I hope the new military aid package can allow Ukraine to refocus their efforts and start driving back the orcs.


Not sure it really changes anything, they won't be recognized.
 

Tams

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GPS guided artillery?

wtf
Yes.

While there are still 'dumb' munitions used (because they are dirt cheap), there are ever more 'smart' munitions being used. GPS guided shells are on the lower end (and therefore more common), but there are also some that are to all intents and purposes mini missiles or suicide drones.

And then there are the likes of Switchblades that fired from mortars, but are loitering semi-autonomous suicide drones.
 

Relique

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Not sure it really changes anything, they won't be recognized.
You are right but I was just holding out hope that they'd be willing to withdraw as a result of peace talks if they are beaten badly enough. If they annex then I presume they will not be willing to negotiate under any circumstance. They're getting embarrassed out there but unfortunately have not been driven back enough. That article also mentions declaring Kherson another people's republic which involves shipping out Ukrainians and replacing them with Russians like they've been doing in the other regions

Europe and US says they will not accept any peace talks with Ukrainian territory concessions but what are they going to do if those fuckers annex and dig in? I don't know the answer to that.
What's crazy is that they accidentally divulged their plans to do that by mistake back in February.


That guy was shitting his pants. It's like a kid being scolded by his parent. Pathetic
 

FunkMiller

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Europe and US says they will not accept any peace talks with Ukrainian territory concessions but what are they going to do if those fuckers annex and dig in? I don't know the answer to that.

I very much doubt they’ll be annexing anything. Any attempt to do so will be met with offensives from Ukraine. If the Russians dig in, unless they have enough hostages, they’ll be fucked seven ways from Sunday. I’m sure Ukraine will sacrifice infrastructure to kill as many orcs as possible.
 
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Lord Panda

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I very much doubt they’ll be annexing anything. Any attempt to do so will be met with offensives from Ukraine. If the Russians dig in, unless they have enough hostages, they’ll be fucked seven ways from Sunday. I’m sure Ukraine will sacrifice infrastructure to kill as many orcs as possible.

Not sure about that because Russia has successfully annexed other territories in the past. Unlike Ukraine, Russia has no qualms throwing lives away to achieve its goals. There are murmurings that come mid May that Russia will formally declare war on Ukraine ...
 

FunkMiller

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Not sure about that because Russia has successfully annexed other territories in the past. Unlike Ukraine, Russia has no qualms throwing lives away to achieve its goals. There are murmurings that come mid May that Russia will formally declare war on Ukraine ...

I don’t doubt they‘ll try, but as I said above, this is no longer a conflict about Russia vs Ukraine. The west are fully committed as proxy partners to Ukraine, which vastly changes the situation on the ground moving forward. Russia could easily take land with no outside help for their enemies (see Crimea, Chechnya) but with the west‘s contribution to Ukrainian military force and training, they’re not going to just be able to sit on territory. It’ll be bombarded constantly. Ukraine can go on the offensive and rout Russian forces. Billions of dollars worth of materiel is going to be sat on Ukraine’s eastern edge, probably for years.

I really do think this war is going to go on for a very long time, and it’ll be the Russians who eventually sue for peace.
 
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Facism

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Yup. Defense contractors are giddy with glee at the opportunity to get real world results. Can’t beat “battlefield proven to blow Russian shit up” for a marketing strategy to future buyers.
Worked for baykar and the bayraktar tb2 plus koral ew. A decade of taking the piss out of Russian air defence in Libya, Syria and Armenian occupied karabagh.
 
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Buggy Loop

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So, what’s the likelihood that USA is sitting on a very effective anti-ICBM weapon that’s unknown?

Wasn’t there a space black project that Biden was about to sign off it’s unveiling not long ago? I would guess the satellites can zap a thousand ICBMs?

Always something that fascinated me about US military, we’re only seeing decades old unclassified tech. What level they are up to now is purely speculative.
 

Bitmap Frogs

Mr. Community
So, what’s the likelihood that USA is sitting on a very effective anti-ICBM weapon that’s unknown?

Wasn’t there a space black project that Biden was about to sign off it’s unveiling not long ago? I would guess the satellites can zap a thousand ICBMs?

Always something that fascinated me about US military, we’re only seeing decades old unclassified tech. What level they are up to now is purely speculative.

The most effective way would be to bribe the guys who replenish tritium for the bombs. Needs to be done every 10 years or they won’t detonate.

If you have them in your pocket giving you the tritium that’s supposed to go into the bombs, no need to intercept.
 

Buggy Loop

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The most effective way would be to bribe the guys who replenish tritium for the bombs. Needs to be done every 10 years or they won’t detonate.

If you have them in your pocket giving you the tritium that’s supposed to go into the bombs, no need to intercept.

I think the US spends almost $60 Billions a year just for nuke maintenances, the total budget of Russia in military. Probably safe to say that most of their ICBMs are out of order especially with the corruption we’ve seen in their military so far.

But still… only takes a few to change a world..
 

Bitmap Frogs

Mr. Community
Well fellas, not much news. We're fully settled into a war of attrition.

Ukraine's offensives around Kharkiv are being slowly succesful.

Meanwhile, along the main front, a lot of small fires are happening the orc side. Speculation roars where it's either ukraine's new artillery at work, an attempt to obscure satellites or just dry weather doing dry weather things when no one's looking.
 
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