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Russia begins Invasion of Ukraine

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akimbo009

Gold Member


Looks like Pelosi, and some other folks from Congress, are strolling in Ukraine and getting some medals from Zelensky.

Arm loads of cash I am sure too. Pretty great to see.
 

M1chl

Currently Gif and Meme Champion
Something that there is probably 10% truth about it and even that part of truth is adjusted. Russia and their bots are perfect in desinformation. And lets just say it was like this during Bolshevik, so I am not really surprised.
 
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niilokin

Member
despite this war being also an exercise in common sense for everyone witnessing it , unfortunately these people don't f5 /r/worldnews and it's not their responsibility to either... putin and his regime is solely responsible for the deaths of the innocent and brainwashing . for the common folk of eastern ukraine it might just make more sense to pick the option they believe will make life return normal as quick as possible.
 
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FunkMiller

Banned
I think he was taken aback by how vehemently we opposed leaving Ukraine to fend for herself.

I'm going to give him something of the benefit of the doubt here, and assume his rather regrettable position was borne from either naivety or a lack of knowledge about how warfare on this scale functions, rather than because he was in any way supportive of Russia (aka Nazis 2). He was absolutely correct to say that Ukraine suffered heavily from corruption (largely in part to the ongoing influence of Russia it has to be said). In a peace time situation, sending 33 billion to them could have been regarded as highly inadvisable. However, war changes everything. Especially on this scale, and with this much at stake. Any concerns about corruption are laughably insignificant against the very real and ongoing war atrocities being committed. I think it's taking a lot of people quite some time to realise just how much this war has changed our world, and how we assess the nations in it. It really has become a proxy conflict for western values vs authoritarian ones, with poor old Ukraine at the centre of it all.
 
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Ozriel

M$FT
Are you flying over to fight Russians?

Did you fly to Iraq or Afghanistan when the US invaded in the name of “democracy” and “peace keeping”?

He is stanch anti war

Every thing you are saying has lead to the worst conflicts in history. Supporting one government to go to war with another to get men killed is never good for the young men women and children in any country

Are you so scared of authoritarian government you want to go fight one halfway across the globe while your own country burns and is taken over by like minded psychos much like Puting?

The US is a kleptocratic oligarchy waging wars in dozens of countries.

Aren't you the one in favor of supporting and emboldening further warmongering by Russia by insisting they be allowed to take Ukraine without consequences?

Ukraine isn't 'going to war' with Russia. Russia invaded them, and they're defending themselves as best as they can.


It's your right to be anti-America, and feel free to open your thread here to lament about wars elsewhere. But this thread is dedicated to the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and your increasingly desperate attempts at deflecting via whataboutism are annoying.
 
I would say $33 billion is a real bargain for upholding democracy, that's like a 100 bucks each.

We can be thankful that Ukrainians are fighting the war to protect Western democracies from the rise of Russian totalitarianism. Whatever corruption there is in Ukraine has never posed a threat to us and is really of no importance right now.
Sending weaponry, financial and humanitarian aid is still a really small sacrifice to make compared to being directly involved. Better to support Ukraine with all our might right now, than being forced to send our own into the meat grinder.
 
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Lord Panda

The Sea is Always Right
I'm going to give him something of the benefit of the doubt here, and assume his rather regrettable position was borne from either naivety or a lack of knowledge about how warfare on this scale functions. He was absolutely correct to say that Ukraine suffered heavily from corruption (largely in part to the ongoing influence of Russia it has to be said). In a peace time situation, sending 33 billion to them could have been regarded as highly inadvisable. However, war changes everything. Especially on this scale, and with this much at stake. Any concerns about corruption are laughably insignificant against the very real and ongoing war atrocities being committed. I think it's taking a lot of people quite some time to realise just how much this war has changed our world, and how we assess the nations in it.

I wasn't going to say anything because I didn't want to give these pseudo-intellectuals the time of day, but fuck it.

Yep for sure. As you, and others pointed out, he was comparing apples and oranges. Ukrainians are fighting for their very survival, and all resources are being spent on weapons, gear, medical aid, and food. There are wards full of premature babies still in active combat zones in Ukraine, because they can't be evacuated, and brave folks are there defending and taking care of them. Those are among some of the things that are at stake here, but instead some folks here on this very board rail at sending further assistance to Ukraine, and even worse ... essentially advocating for allowing the Russians to do as they will in the region, and for NATO and other nations to mind their own damn business. WTF.

Instead of showing compassion and some humanity, and looking at the larger picture, these upstanding members love engaging in whataboutism, and faux-pacifism. What they all seem to overlook are not only the atrocities being committed by those poor misunderstood Russians, but the fact that the Ukrainians themselves are absolutely begging us to help them, in whatever way we can. 33 billion dollars worth of aid to a besieged fellow democratic nation, is barely anything in the grand scheme of things, but for some folks here it's oh too much. And then they become incensed and incredulous when others call them out and pushback at their BS nonsense. This shit in Ukraine is clear cut in black and white. Not sure how many more atrocities and war crimes must be committed before these mofos here get it.
 
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Bitmap Frogs

Mr. Community
So, I wanna give you guys a little update on what's going on.

Kherson: no updates, the orcs shifted their best units there so they can defend the city with the smallest manpower. Right now they're trying to fully secure the oblast since ukraine made some gains. In the future, they'd like to advance and eventually take Odessa.

Zaporizhzhia: no updates. Which means orcs and ukranians are duking it out, but no pushes from either side.

Mariupol: the metalworks factory is getting pounded and the orcs are trying to clean pockets of resistance in the actual city.

Kharkiv: ukranians are making pushes and gaining terrain - their goal is twofold, stop the shelling on Kharkiv and forcing the Orcs to divert forces to hold the line, which right now they are not doing. There are reports that the offensive is reaching the outskirts of Staryi Saltiv. Liberating this pocket would allow them to start gaining ground on Izium and hit some of the supply lines to the east offensive.

Izium: the big news is that the Ukranians managed to bomb a meeting of high ranking officers. Reportedly there were 40, including several generals and also the big Kahuna, the orc in charge of the ukraine campaign. While the big kahuna only got moderately wounded, 20 high ranking officers got killed.

Donetsk-Luhansk: this is and has been for a while, the main front of the war. Constant daily fighting. Ukrainians are focusing on defense rather than offense. Sievierodonetsk has been a hotspot of activity later, and the ukranians have reinforced it with more tanks - it's unclear to me if these tanks have been shifted from somewhere else or are fresh units.
 

Kraz

Banned
There's also the ancient dragon in the myth of Europa and Cadmus.

There was a primeval forest there, scarred by no axe; and in its midst a cave thick set about with shrubs and pliant twigs. With well-fitted stones it fashioned a low arch, whence poured a full-welling spring, and deep within dwelt a serpent sacred to Mars. The creature had a wondrous golden crest; fire flashed from his eyes; his body was all swollen with venom; his triple tongue flickered out and in and his teeth were ranged in triple row. When with luckless steps the wayfarers of the Tyrian race had reached this grove, they let down their vessels into the spring, breaking the silence of the place. At this the dark serpent thrust forth his head out of the deep cave, hissing horribly. The urns fell from the men’s hands, their blood ran cold, and, horror-struck, they were seized with a sudden trembling. The serpent twines his scaly coils in rolling knots and with a spring curves himself into a huge bow; and, lifted high by more than half his length into the unsubstantial air, he looks down upon the whole wood, as huge, could you see him all, as is that serpent in the sky that lies outstretched between the twin bears. He makes no tarrying, but seizes on the Phoenicians, whether they are preparing for fighting or for flight or whether very fear holds both in check. Some he slays with his fangs, some he crushes in his constricting folds, and some he stifles with the deadly corruption of his poisoned breath.

silva vetus stabat nulla violata
securi, et specus in media virgis
ac vimine densus
efficiens humilem lapidum
conpagibus arcum uberibus
fecundus aquis; ubi conditus
antro Martius
anguis erat, cristis praesignis et auro;

igne micant oculi, corpus tumet omne
venenis, tresque vibrant linguae, triplici stant
ordine dentes.
quem postquam Tyria lucum
de gente profecti
infausto tetigere gradu, demissaque
in undas urna dedit sonitum,
longo caput
extulit antro caeruleus serpens
horrendaque sibila misit.
effluxere urnae manibus sanguisque
reliquit corpus
et attonitos subitus tremor occupat artus.
ille volubilibus squamosos
nexibus orbes torquet et inmensos saltu
sinuatur in arcus
ac media plus parte leves erectus in auras

despicit omne nemus tantoque est
corpore, quanto, si totum spectes, geminas
qui separat arctos.
nec mora, Phoenicas, sive illi tela parabant
sive fugam, sive ipse timor
prohibebat utrumque, occupat: hos morsu,
longis conplexibus
illos, hos necat adflati funesta tabe veneni.
 

TwinB242

Member
Despite the brainwashing & propaganda Russian support for the war is already dropping (approval was at 74% a few days ago compared to 81% earlier in April). If Putin suddenly declares war effectively confirming that the original 'security operation' was a failure thats been unable to achieve its goals, I don't think many Russians are going to support that. Especially with the ever increasing Russian soldier death toll.
 

tommolb

Member
Possibly declare war on Ukraine.
By declaring war, he gets to mobilise his army. That would be a significant escalation as the manpower available to him to attack Ukraine expands massively.

I wouldn't be surprised if between now and then there are lots of "terrorist attacks" in Russia blamed on "Ukrainian Nazi's".
 

Wildebeest

Member
There's also the ancient dragon in the myth of Europa and Cadmus.
The Welsh stories of Arthur are stories told by a culturally Romanized people. To them, the dragon would have been a battle standard for an army, a practice the Roman Empire picked up from Dacia (Romania after Rome conquered it and colonized it). Merlin was a prophet. When he dreamed of the Red Dragon clashing with the White Dragon, it would clearly have been meant to symbolize two armies clashing. In this case, the Britons (red) and the invading Saxons (white).
 

daveonezero

Banned
Despite the brainwashing & propaganda Russian support for the war is already dropping (approval was at 74% a few days ago compared to 81% earlier in April). If Putin suddenly declares war effectively confirming that the original 'security operation' was a failure thats been unable to achieve its goals, I don't think many Russians are going to support that. Especially with the ever increasing Russian soldier death toll.
You think the Ukrainians in these regions give a shit if it’s official or not? Have some respect.

And why does Putler care what the mob says? especially on concerns over the fact people are dying by Putins own order.

He can’t be both the worst thing since Hitler and also care about the people he is killing and subject to the will of the people he is supreme leader over.

Did Hitler or Stalin care one damn bit about the boys they sent to die? I wonder at how many millions the remorse sets in.

Be cool if the protest were effective on the homeland then Russia may actually stop.
 
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Edgelord79

Gold Member
By declaring war, he gets to mobilise his army. That would be a significant escalation as the manpower available to him to attack Ukraine expands massively.
Allows him to also change the narrative on Ukraine away from his special military operation shtick.something he probably wants to do at this point for various military and propagandist reasons.
 
Allows him to also change the narrative on Ukraine away from his special military operation shtick.something he probably wants to do at this point for various military and propagandist reasons.

there‘s no way Russia will declare war on Ukraine at this point, it’s basically an admission of defeat

more likely they will change the narrative to make it about fighting foreigners on Ukrainian soil
 

Bitmap Frogs

Mr. Community
there‘s no way Russia will declare war on Ukraine at this point, it’s basically an admission of defeat

more likely they will change the narrative to make it about fighting foreigners on Ukrainian soil

They’re heading for a defeat anyway… other than nuking Ukraine, declaring war and trying to swamp the defenders with conscripts is his last card.
 
They’re heading for a defeat anyway… other than nuking Ukraine, declaring war and trying to swamp the defenders with conscripts is his last card.

declaring war is just rhetoric right now, practically nothing will change…that’s why there’s nothing to be gained just from this rhetoric

there is a lot being made of this May “victory day” date that full conscription and mass mobilisation will be the next step to further control the eastern regions, we’ll see
 

Kraz

Banned
The Welsh stories of Arthur are stories told by a culturally Romanized people. To them, the dragon would have been a battle standard for an army, a practice the Roman Empire picked up from Dacia (Romania after Rome conquered it and colonized it). Merlin was a prophet. When he dreamed of the Red Dragon clashing with the White Dragon, it would clearly have been meant to symbolize two armies clashing. In this case, the Britons (red) and the invading Saxons (white).
Two armies like the Dragon's Teeth and the Golden Fleece.

Their attempted insults when closing out with "pray for your moss covered queen" sounded like a recognition of Demeter.
Happy GIF by South Park
 
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