Tams
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Don't be surprised when people who are defending actions that have led to atrocities get called nasty things.
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Russia begins Invasion of Ukraine
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A couple weeks ago...
Polish Defence Minister Mariusz Błaszczak on Tuesday signed a deal worth about $4.75 billion to buy 250 M1A2 Abrams SEPv3 from the United States.
Poland signs $4.75 billion Abrams tank deal as Russia’s war speeds procurements
Deliveries are to begin this year, with 28 tanks to be procured to the country’s armed forces.www.defensenews.com
Delivery year of the entire package (tanks, parts, support vehicles + full training of staff)?
akimbo009
Gold Member
It's all bullshit. He compares Ukrainians to extremists and considers the situation no different than Afghanistan. He's getting called out cause he's actually saying some loopy shit.
Now he's going on about Yemen and historical US grievances which have nothing to do witg anything except to distract from the fact that Putin has his hit squads raping children, kidnapping them and taking them into Russia, and causing almost a trillion dollars of damage to a country that did nothing.
So he's crying for himself. Well, boo hoo.
daveonezero
Banned
No just point out absurdities like viewing this conflict like it started yesterday.
Once upon a time the US didn't want Ukraine free from the USSR. This is virtue signals about a war. Ya'll are nuts. If you cared about independence from tyrannical oligarchs you wouldn't want the US funding anyone and instead want every day people aka the Militia to be armed all across the world.
Dangerous Liberty is always better than safety
"The US government today likes to pretend that it is the perennial champion of political independence for countries that were once behind the Iron Curtain. What is often forgotten, however, is that in the days following the fall of the Berlin Wall, Washington opposed independence for Soviet republics like Ukraine and the Baltic states."
1991: When America Tried to Keep Ukraine in the USSR | Mises Institute
In the final days of the Soviet Union, the Washington establishment was convinced nationalism was a greater threat than Soviet despotism. Thus, George Bush
That is what you get in War. It is never pretty. Innocent people die. That is why I'm against it.
Protect yourself. Learn to drive a rifle and not ride a train car etc etc. Or end up like Jews in WW2 or Ukranians now.
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NoLootBoxDev
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Kidnaps, child trafficking, fucking disgusting.
NoLootBoxDev
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Neff
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NoLootBoxDev
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I guess the soldier did not got super powers
akimbo009
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No just point out absurdities like viewing this conflict like it started yesterday.
Once upon a time the US didn't want Ukraine free from the USSR. This is virtue signals about a war. Ya'll are nuts. If you cared about independence from tyrannical oligarchs you wouldn't want the US funding anyone and instead want every day people aka the Militia to be armed all across the world.
Dangerous Liberty is always better than safety
"The US government today likes to pretend that it is the perennial champion of political independence for countries that were once behind the Iron Curtain. What is often forgotten, however, is that in the days following the fall of the Berlin Wall, Washington opposed independence for Soviet republics like Ukraine and the Baltic states."
1991: When America Tried to Keep Ukraine in the USSR | Mises Institute
In the final days of the Soviet Union, the Washington establishment was convinced nationalism was a greater threat than Soviet despotism. Thus, George Bushmises.org
That is what you get in War. It is never pretty. Innocent people die. That is why I'm against it.
Protect yourself. Learn to drive a rifle and not ride a train car etc etc. Or end up like Jews in WW2 or Ukranians now.
The fuck you even going on about. Not only is an argument about American hypocrisy irrelevant to this discussion, and a super helpful argument for Putin, but you broader point is also absurd. It's a weird ass pro-gun argument when you're arguing the US shouldn't give Urkaine - you know - guns!
And that link you provided is super suspect and funded by Rand Paul and Lew Rockwell. Talk about agendas....
Tams
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"Drive a rifle", ahahaha! You can't even get your prepper shit right!No just point out absurdities like viewing this conflict like it started yesterday.
Once upon a time the US didn't want Ukraine free from the USSR. This is virtue signals about a war. Ya'll are nuts. If you cared about independence from tyrannical oligarchs you wouldn't want the US funding anyone and instead want every day people aka the Militia to be armed all across the world.
Dangerous Liberty is always better than safety
"The US government today likes to pretend that it is the perennial champion of political independence for countries that were once behind the Iron Curtain. What is often forgotten, however, is that in the days following the fall of the Berlin Wall, Washington opposed independence for Soviet republics like Ukraine and the Baltic states."
1991: When America Tried to Keep Ukraine in the USSR | Mises Institute
In the final days of the Soviet Union, the Washington establishment was convinced nationalism was a greater threat than Soviet despotism. Thus, George Bush
That is what you get in War. It is never pretty. Innocent people die. That is why I'm against it.
Protect yourself. Learn to drive a rifle and not ride a train car etc etc. Or end up like Jews in WW2 or Ukranians now.
Most of the irrelevant nonsense there is correct, but it's irrelevant. Just because a country does something in the past, does not mean they will do the same again. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. But in decent countries, the people in charge change, so the outcomes are different.
As it is, the US, UK, etc. aren't showing any signs of turning Ukraine into some puppet state (though of course Russia will claim so).
Anyway, onto the ignore list you go, you nutter.
NoLootBoxDev
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Damn Bullseye
Fuck Putin!!!!
Fuck Putin!!!!
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Nikodemos
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"It was a sad case of mistaken identity, honest!"
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Man how miserable those troops must be knowing at any minute some drone can just swing by and bomb them. Hope papa putz is worth it boys.
It seems they considered it more of a risk to wait longer to deliver tanks to Ukraine versus their value sitting around as a deterrent until the Abrams arrive. Undoubtedly they're not defenseless without them. There may be some larger strategy at play too making such a big statement with that commitment.
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Azurro
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DeepBreath87
your arguments are infantile and the furthest thing there is from well thought of.You scream "corruption! corruption! Give them nothing and let Russia conquer Ukraine unopposed!". Are you even aware how corruption happens? The structures that allow it are not even functioning right now, it's a ridiculous point.
Your shift must be over by now anyway. Go home tovarish. You too
daveonezero
harasho, you worked well. Pick up your rubbles on the way out like usual.
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No, what you're doing is just flat out whataboutism. NOTHING would ever be done if we applied that same thinking to every situation. There is no such thing as moral purity. Failing to take action against a wrong because you yourself are guilty of some other wrong is not the moral thing to do, it only compounds the failings.
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NoLootBoxDev
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what a POS team, ban coming their way
Phunkydiabetic
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Yeahhhhh.....no one is saying otherwise. At least Im certainly not saying otherwise. My post was in reference to the gross behavior of shutting down discussion immediately with snarky "tovarisch" or "ok comrade", or accusations of supporting Putin and the war or asking if the person is Russian. All because they happen to have an opinion or a simple question that doesn't fall in the designated lane set out by social media or western governments.
Surely you can see how close this conversational tactic resembles a certain website that has lived on in the minds of users here, rent free, for years now can't you?
Tams
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Okay Komrade.
Braag
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Did the second one drop inside the car? That's some crazy skill lol
NoLootBoxDev
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The father of the failed campaign in Russia is in Ukraine. You guess it right, Putin wants him dead, but won't execute him, instead is sent to die like a soldier....
Nikodemos
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The father of the failed campaign in Russia is in Ukraine. You guess it right, Putin wants him dead, but won't execute him, instead is sent to die like a soldier....
I'm eagerly awaiting his unfortunate untimely demise.
GymWolf
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Holy shit did they really hit the hole in that car? Imagine dying like that...
But those bombs look very weak tho, how are those people still alive (even if jist for a couple of minutes) and the veihcle still intact?
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Redneckerz
Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
As impressive as that is (It sways to the left before hitting dead center) this kind of footage is exactly what makes this so terrifying - Its high res and often with camera angles not out of place from a movie.
Except its real.
Its soon Remembrance Day again. Remembering the second world war. But for these people, from either side, and their civilians, they are meeting similar fates.
Its apalling. This needs to end.
dotnotbot
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No just point out absurdities like viewing this conflict like it started yesterday.
Once upon a time the US didn't want Ukraine free from the USSR. This is virtue signals about a war. Ya'll are nuts. If you cared about independence from tyrannical oligarchs you wouldn't want the US funding anyone and instead want every day people aka the Militia to be armed all across the world.
Dangerous Liberty is always better than safety
"The US government today likes to pretend that it is the perennial champion of political independence for countries that were once behind the Iron Curtain. What is often forgotten, however, is that in the days following the fall of the Berlin Wall, Washington opposed independence for Soviet republics like Ukraine and the Baltic states."
1991: When America Tried to Keep Ukraine in the USSR | Mises Institute
In the final days of the Soviet Union, the Washington establishment was convinced nationalism was a greater threat than Soviet despotism. Thus, George Bush
That is what you get in War. It is never pretty. Innocent people die. That is why I'm against it.
Protect yourself. Learn to drive a rifle and not ride a train car etc etc. Or end up like Jews in WW2 or Ukranians now.
Nikodemos
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Those are remanufactured launcher grenades (30 or 40 mm, for underbarrel and/or automatic grenade launchers) with an aero kit and modified fuzing.
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MastaKiiLA
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When your argument centers around something that happened 30 years ago for administrations that are term-limited to 8 years max, you have lost the argument. If you can't see the error in your argument, then welcome to the ignore list. Seriously, you are not the first to point this shit out. Your timing is just incredibly shitty.No just point out absurdities like viewing this conflict like it started yesterday.
Once upon a time the US didn't want Ukraine free from the USSR. This is virtue signals about a war. Ya'll are nuts. If you cared about independence from tyrannical oligarchs you wouldn't want the US funding anyone and instead want every day people aka the Militia to be armed all across the world.
Dangerous Liberty is always better than safety
"The US government today likes to pretend that it is the perennial champion of political independence for countries that were once behind the Iron Curtain. What is often forgotten, however, is that in the days following the fall of the Berlin Wall, Washington opposed independence for Soviet republics like Ukraine and the Baltic states."
1991: When America Tried to Keep Ukraine in the USSR | Mises Institute
In the final days of the Soviet Union, the Washington establishment was convinced nationalism was a greater threat than Soviet despotism. Thus, George Bush
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TransTrender
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NoLootBoxDev
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Damn he looks youth. Respect to his family, for their loss.
How is any of this relevant to this discussion, other than gross whataboutism?
Focus on the war at hand and the atrocities being committed in ukraine.
They've got the NATO shield, so they won't be too arsed about getting these ASAP.
daveonezero
Banned
It’s literally from this guy. And he has been saying it for a decade or more.
Hoplophobia: Drive a Rifle or Ride a Railcar by Bill Buppert
“Hoplophobia is a mental disturbance characterized by irrational aversion to weapons, as opposed to justified apprehension about those who wield them.” “Remember the first rule of gunfighting … have a gun.” – Col. John Dean “Jeff” Cooper (1920-2006) Publisher’s Note: I just finished James...
zerogov.com
Self defense is relevant. Ukraine people are in this position because they outsourced their defense to an incompetent corrupt government.
The only reason they have had success is they had a number of small arms in the population.
The deterrent to occupation and invasion is always small arms. Why was everyone clamoring to get them armed when the invasion started?
The only reason Russia is bombing everything is they can’t hold the streets.
This will end in another decade long war if NATO gets their wish.
And the only people that suffer are innocents on both sides. Not leaders in government.
ResilientBanana
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So like, wouldn't this be a different administration that who's in office now? Not sure why this matters today. The USA isn't a single person, it's a group of people. I'm sure the sentiment today is much different.1991: When America Tried to Keep Ukraine in the USSR | Mises Institute
In the final days of the Soviet Union, the Washington establishment was convinced nationalism was a greater threat than Soviet despotism. Thus, George Bush
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akimbo009
Gold Member
It’s literally from this guy. And he has been saying it for a decade or more.
Hoplophobia: Drive a Rifle or Ride a Railcar by Bill Buppert
“Hoplophobia is a mental disturbance characterized by irrational aversion to weapons, as opposed to justified apprehension about those who wield them.” “Remember the first rule of gunfighting … have a gun.” – Col. John Dean “Jeff” Cooper (1920-2006) Publisher’s Note: I just finished James...zerogov.com
Self defense is relevant. Ukraine people are in this position because they outsourced their defense to an incompetent corrupt government.
The only reason they have had success is they had a number of small arms in the population.
The deterrent to occupation and invasion is always small arms. Why was everyone clamoring to get them armed when the invasion started?
The only reason Russia is bombing everything is they can’t hold the streets.
This will end in another decade long war if NATO gets their wish.
And the only people that suffer are innocents on both sides. Not leaders in government.
You are just reaching for things now aren't you? They did pass out small arms to the population. They had community events where they made moltov cocktails. The US sent them equipment leading up to the war. Other nations did as well. I'll also remind you the US was warning the world for months prior to their invasion (some of it dismissed).
Russia is bombing the streets because they bomb every country they enter - see Grozny. They are beasts, and murder anyone and everyone.
NATO doesn't wish for a long war. Russia does. They started it. They can end it. Full stop. This is up to Russia and Putin.
They're in this position because they dared to assert their independence and right to self-determine. A libertarian should be able to appreciate that. Either way, this thread is for news and updates on the Ukraine War, not to argue your personal politics.
40 kill confirmed look like an ace pilot..rip...
Azurro
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It’s literally from this guy. And he has been saying it for a decade or more.
Hoplophobia: Drive a Rifle or Ride a Railcar by Bill Buppert
“Hoplophobia is a mental disturbance characterized by irrational aversion to weapons, as opposed to justified apprehension about those who wield them.” “Remember the first rule of gunfighting … have a gun.” – Col. John Dean “Jeff” Cooper (1920-2006) Publisher’s Note: I just finished James...zerogov.com
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The only reason they have had success is they had a number of small arms in the population.
The deterrent to occupation and invasion is always small arms. Why was everyone clamoring to get them armed when the invasion started?
The only reason Russia is bombing everything is they can’t hold the streets.
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After reading this. Shut up, seriously. Just, shut up, you don't have any idea of why Ukraine is still standing.
They are still standing because their standing army has been very well trained for the last 8 years due to the crisis in Crimea and the Donbas region.
They are standing because they have received training from Western militaries on how to organize their troops, due to the fact that Russia didn't send enough troops to take the cities (supposedly the ratio is 4:1 in attack vs defense troops, as holding a city is easier than taking it) and their known klepto + logistics issues.
Ukrainian troops have learned from Western forces to have independence to assess the situation on the ground, while Russia has a Soviet style top down system that results in sending troops to the grinder.
Ukraine's conscripts have had a role, but it's mainly because they are doing a lot of support jobs that trained military would be doing, leaving the professional army free to fight against the invading forces. That, plus the enormous psychological factor of the will to fight, given that they are enormously motivated since the Ukrainians are fighting for their existence.
Yuri and his buddies with an AK is not a reason why. They have helped, but the bulk of the effort is the military.
I don't know your reasons, if you are a legitimate disinformation agent or just a grass variety troll, but you are not here to discuss the war in good faith.
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Bitmap Frogs
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If you think a rifle will stop an army, you're wrong.
I've never understood this line of american thinking - more like american magical thinking.
Let me show you:
BTW, in case you missed it that Rover still had the engine block there.
Now let me show the kind of "gun" one needs to stop a tank:
Gun ownership is useless when it comes to protecting you from these threats.
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“Thieves always act honorably”
…wait a minute that’s not how that goes
Gp1
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Ukraine accuses Russia of stealing grain during war
Ukraine accused Russia on Thursday of stealing grain in territory it has occupied, an act which it said increased the threat to global food security posed by disruptions to spring sowing and the blocking of Ukrainian ports during the war.
www.reuters.com
This is common all over former soviet block countries. It's a running joke in the region. In fact, one of my favorite Ukrainian comedy programs "Dizel Show" had a weekly segment about traffic control officers stopping people for bribes in different funny situations. It's pretty hilarious if you understand Ukrainian and/or Russian as they did episodes in both.
This is a great post. If you are going to try to save money it should be made elsewhere.
Hey I am not surprised but you know... Insults are not tolerated in any real life avenue of discussion/debate and I am just wondering why online is any different? It's also clearly against forum rules yet people feel emboldened and even do it to mock those who complain about it.
That's some great aim. Drones have really changed the game. Need more and bigger drones.
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M1chl
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Ukraine were* corruption haven, probably biggest on the planet earth and people stand up to it, they are now fighting for their freedom, self-preservation and determination. Why the fuck so much "freedom loving" people not see this a good thing? Ukraine pretty is historical event and based on what you are presenting yourself with, about personal freedom, you probably don't find a bigger parallel to a real world and your believes. So why is so much concern trolling about it?
*there is still a lot of things to be done, not only in Ukraine. Presence of Russia force in one way or the other, always means a shit ton of corruption. Thus, this is chance for the whole "slav land" to be free from Russian oppression.
*there is still a lot of things to be done, not only in Ukraine. Presence of Russia force in one way or the other, always means a shit ton of corruption. Thus, this is chance for the whole "slav land" to be free from Russian oppression.
akimbo009
Gold Member
Why do you talk about Era? People are getting yelled out cause implying a nation is too corrupt to receive aid while they are being raped is the actual insult in this discussion, not someone calling that person out.
It's not civil in person to find ways to justify genocide, and it's not civil to do online either. It's not a reasonable position to start with, not worth redressing in discussion.
So we're shutting that debate down so we can focus on the actual war, and plight these folks are dealing with instead of having "well...... Awwwwkschully.." whataboutism discussion which just aren't helpful.
Only person started this and can end it immediately, that's Putin - full stop.
Edgelord79
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Tams
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This is getting off topic a long way, but you're not that naïve, surely? People aren't as nice online because they're anonymous or at least have the false impression of anonymity. It's basic human nature.
And the Internet isn't your comfy office or wherever with a HR department. Some forums are stricter that others, but GAF is pretty open and irreverent. The pretty mild insults in this thread are not worthy of moderation.
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