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[GymWolf]

Can't even imagine if my country's TV stations would broadcast stuff like that, discussing about how long it takes for a nuke to reach certain other countries. Absolutely fucking mental.

The smirk on that fatty bootleg ali larter is annoying as hell.

 

[Meicyn]

Anyway I am done participating in this for today

lmao

 

[FunkMiller]

If NATO professional soldiers were in there, and the war stayed conventional, and they decided to invade, there would be 40 nations of flags flying peacefully in Moscow by summer.

It’s an interesting thought experiment to think about how things would be very different in this conflict of the threat of Russian nuclear weapons was removed.

Beyond the obvious fact that Putin would never have launched the invasion at all, you have to wonder what the western response would be right now.

I’m guessing thousands of targeted air strikes on the army, important infrastructure and military bases all along Russia’s western flank. The devastation would be quite something to witness. And that would have taken …what? A single afternoon?

 

[Kraz]

The smirk on that fatty bootleg ali larter is annoying as hell.

Someone should throw water on that hunchback.

 

[Kenpachii]

Can't even imagine if my country's TV stations would broadcast stuff like that, discussing about how long it takes for a nuke to reach certain other countries. Absolutely fucking mental.

Do these clowns not realize this shit exist

Even if you take out every soul in every western continent in 200 seconds, u will still be annihilated 5 minutes later.

At least that one guy gets it.

 

[Lord Panda]

Can't even imagine if my country's TV stations would broadcast stuff like that, discussing about how long it takes for a nuke to reach certain other countries. Absolutely fucking mental.

I wonder once the cameras are switched off, and they sign off for the day, and on their drive home whether they ever reflect on all the terrible things they’ve said and ask themselves:

I finally get to use this gif as it was intended.

 

[Relique]

Definitely some utter muppets posting in here, your bank accounts must be swelling with roubles with the shite youse are spewing..

33Bil is chump change to the US Military, the vast majority of that money will be getting plowed back into the American economy, you know the way the Chinese lend money to Africa to build bridges... who does Africa use to design those bridges and build them? and from a geopolitical point of view, the US is getting to severely weaken the Russian sphere of influence and knock it completely off the table, leaving just the Chinese to contend with and not a joint enemy, not to mention the US is actually doing fucking good for once with all their bombs and tech, maybe remove the Putin blinkers and you'll see that the world is better place with that cunt slapped into place and is a small price to pay

We aren't like China with their debt trap policies. We don't lend people money to build shit then take it over because they can't pay back while refusing to renegotiate. I get your point though

 

[Kraz]

It’s an interesting thought experiment to think about how things would be very different in this conflict of the threat of Russian nuclear weapons was removed.

Beyond the obvious fact that Putin would never have launched the invasion at all, you have to wonder what the western response would be right now.

I’m guessing thousands of targeted air strikes on the army, important infrastructure and military bases all along Russia’s western flank. The devastation would be quite something to witness. And that would have taken …what? A single afternoon?

Yup, that's how I imagined it. That part would be over pretty quick.

With Russian population conditioned to accept "strongman rule"/martial law as long transition isn't colonialist there shouldn't be much disruption as democracy is established after the fascists are destroyed. It's not like there's any threat to actual Russian culture or taking away their language from 21st century humanist multicultural societies.

 

[DeepBreath87]

Now that's doing it right and making a statement against Russian threats.

It's amazing that this is less than what was paid for twitter and the benefit this will have.

Seizing Russian assets should sure help with bringing that expense down if they're applied that way. Especially as more Putin investments are discovered.








You repeat yourself a lot.
"Notorious" and "corrupt."
Where are you getting those words from that you have to repeat them over and over like they're bouncing around in your head like the only balls dropped in a lotto machine that you spit out.


He claims to be antiRussia but whenever he posts it seems to be antiUkraine.

On this matter he didn't even consider the source of the corruption and how things might have changed until set straight. He immediately thought the worst of Ukrainians and there was no question in his mind.

When the war started he posted how Russia should learn from the mistakes the US in Iraq when taking over Ukraine. That the Russian military can't be beat. When the Russian paratroopers were killed he complained that people were cheering.

Probably hates that video.


Look how he goes off about the media for no reason. This user is irrational and appears to have an agenda.

Watch how he plays the hero who knows the real truth, that asks the real questions the rest of the world is too stupid to consider, against the victim defense mechanism when questioned. It's funny.

Let’s try a simple google search. Just put in Ukraine and corruption. This is the first thing that comes up.

According to Transparency International's 2021 Corruption Perceptions Index, (a scale of least to most corrupt nations), Ukraine ranked 122nd out of 180 countries in 2021, the second most corrupt in Europe, with Russia the most at 136.

So, Transparency International, who seems to be pretty well thought of, considers them the second most corrupt country in Europe behind, you guessed it, Russia. Sorry to burst your bubble.

As for “playing the victim”, I find your “he has a secret agenda” nonsense paranoid and strange, but you have a history of aggressive, strange behavior that we don’t need to drag out here. I can dig deeper to demonstrate Ukraine’s corruption problem if you need more, but why? You have your head firmly shoved up your ass, which seems to be a familiar place for you.

As for people cheering like weirdos when hundreds of people die, yeah I find that ghoulish and disgusting. I get that dehumanization is a part of war. But I’m always skeptical of people who do it so excitedly. You might start to wonder if the war is just an excuse to indulge themselves.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

Let’s try a simple google search. Just put in Ukraine and corruption. This is the first thing that comes up.



So, Transparency International, who seems to be pretty well thought of, considers them the second most corrupt country in Europe behind, you guessed it, Russia. Sorry to burst your bubble.

As for “playing the victim”, I find your “he has a secret agenda” nonsense paranoid and strange, but you have a history of aggressive, strange behavior that we don’t need to drag out here. I can dig deeper to demonstrate Ukraine’s corruption problem if you need more, but why? You have your head firmly shoved up your ass, which seems to be a familiar place for you.

As for people cheering like weirdos when hundreds of people die, yeah I find that ghoulish and disgusting. I get that dehumanization is a part of war. But I’m always skeptical of people who do it so excitedly. You might start to wonder if the war is just an excuse to indulge themselves.

Damn, never realized how corrupt Russia and Ukraine are. I always thought the country I was born in (Bosnia) was the most corrupt in Europe. Stupid anecdote but pretty much every time I'm in Bosnia with my German license plate car, I get stopped by police for some nonsense reason and they expect me to pay them a bribe or they won't let me go. It's comical tbh.

 

[Kraz]

Let’s try a simple google search. Just put in Ukraine and corruption. This is the first thing that comes up.



So, Transparency International, who seems to be pretty well thought of, considers them the second most corrupt country in Europe behind, you guessed it, Russia. Sorry to burst your bubble.

As for “playing the victim”, I find your “he has a secret agenda” nonsense paranoid and strange, but you have a history of aggressive, strange behavior that we don’t need to drag out here. I can dig deeper to demonstrate Ukraine’s corruption problem if you need more, but why? You have your head firmly shoved up your ass, which seems to be a familiar place for you.

As for people cheering like weirdos when hundreds of people die, yeah I find that ghoulish and disgusting. I get that dehumanization is a part of war. But I’m always skeptical of people who do it so excitedly. You might start to wonder if the war is just an excuse to indulge themselves.

And you don't think circumstances may have changed since then? Or that there would be different oversights involved?
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You view Ukrainians as unfixably corrupt and that everyone should view them that way.

It's funny how you lash out with weak condescension as a defense mechanism.

You should check out this post.

Corruption in Ukraine is largely a holdover of Russian/Soviet influence. The current administration is trying to reduce it, and is one of the reasons they got elected (and also revolted and threw out their previous leaders earlier).

Corruption in Ukraine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

2020–2022 Ukrainian constitutional crisis - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[DeepBreath87]

And you don't think circumstances may have changed since then? Or that there would be different oversights involved?
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You view Ukrainians as unfixably corrupt and that everyone should view them that way.

It's funny how you lash out with weak condescension as a defense mechanism.

You should check out this post.

I view their country as what the most recent statistics available indicate they are: the second most corrupt country in Europe. You view them as the heroes of a movie that you are playing inside your head.

I also think it’s pretty rich for a guy who starts a conversation this way:

You repeat yourself a lot.
"Notorious" and "corrupt."
Where are you getting those words from that you have to repeat them over and over like they're bouncing around in your head like the only balls dropped in a lotto machine that you spit out.

to be whining about weak condescension. Then again, I’ve noticed you don’t have much in the way of self awareness.

 

[Kraz]

I view their country as what the most recent statistics available indicate they are: the second most corrupt country in Europe. You view them as the heroes of a movie that you are playing inside your head.

Then you should wait for new statistics since there has been a lot of recent changes.

Oversight about the 33billion doesn't even seem to be your main concern as you've completely dropped that subject in favour of slurring.

 

[DeepBreath87]

Then you should wait for new statistics since there has been a lot of recent changes.

Oversight about the 33billion doesn't even seem to be your main concern as you've completely dropped that subject in favour of slurring.

Really? Have I? Or have a responded to your pretty obvious provocations? You questioned where I got the idea that Ukraine was corrupt and heavily implied that it’s because I have some secret agenda. So I dissuaded you of that notion and addressed your pissy attitude.

Clearly the reason I have concerns about Ukraine’s corruption is because we are giving them $33 billion. It’s one thing to give them weapons directly. They can really be misappropriated unless they’re sold. This aid goes far beyond just supplying Ukraine with weapons, which I have concerns about for the reasons I’ve laid out here.

Why else would the corruption in Ukraine be my concern if not for the astronomical sums of money we are sending them? Do you think I’m just picking on your new favorite thing just to be mean?

 

[Kraz]

Really? Have I? Or have a responded to your pretty obvious provocations? You questioned where I got the idea that Ukraine was corrupt and heavily implied that it’s because I have some secret agenda. So I dissuaded you of that notion and addressed your pissy attitude.

Clearly the reason I have concerns about Ukraine’s corruption is because we are giving them $33 billion. It’s one thing to give them weapons directly. They can really be misappropriated unless they’re sold. This aid goes far beyond just supplying Ukraine with weapons, which I have concerns about for the reasons I’ve laid out here.

Why else would the corruption in Ukraine be my concern if not for the astronomical sums of money we are sending them? Do you think I’m just picking on your new favorite thing just to be mean?

You're jumping to conclusions and ranting about it.

It's one thing to have concerns and voice them. But to go on and on about corruption in Ukraine like you're some kind of authority because you read a statistic from a year ago sounds like an axe to grind.
If that's all you have to say, then you've said it.

 

[FunkMiller]

Really? Have I? Or have a responded to your pretty obvious provocations? You questioned where I got the idea that Ukraine was corrupt and heavily implied that it’s because I have some secret agenda. So I dissuaded you of that notion and addressed your pissy attitude.

Clearly the reason I have concerns about Ukraine’s corruption is because we are giving them $33 billion. It’s one thing to give them weapons directly. They can really be misappropriated unless they’re sold. This aid goes far beyond just supplying Ukraine with weapons, which I have concerns about for the reasons I’ve laid out here.

Why else would the corruption in Ukraine be my concern if not for the astronomical sums of money we are sending them? Do you think I’m just picking on your new favorite thing just to be mean?

You’ve not commented thus far on the evidence in a previous post about Ukraine’s efforts under Zelensky to clear up corruption. Does that alter your viewpoint away from your assertion that they are too corrupt to give money to? Given this move away from old Russian influence, and an apparent desire to clean up their system, why are you still so opposed to helping them?

 

[Dr.D00p]

Russian Marines learning the brutal reality of urban combat.

No blood or gore, but some may find it NSFW:

Spoiler

 

[Kraz]

Russian Marines learning the brutal reality of urban combat.

No blood or gore, but some may find it NSFW:

Spoiler

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That they're looking out for the wounded seems unusual behavior for Russians.

That the soldier carrying heavy weapons was doing the dragging might indicate it was out of character. That two guys tried maybe their commander. Didn't see white on that one and they looked to be the recipient of that full burst when things opened up.

Edit: I see the white now on the better video.

 

[RJMacready73]

Ukraine corrupt... same old shit, Zelensky i believe was trying to stamp out the corruption.. which funnily enough was all orchestrated by Moscow in order to keep them within their sphere and once the previous government was kicked out and they pivoted towards Europe... shit kicks off

 

[M1chl]

For those who are concerned™



Lend lease

 

[Artoris]

Just in case anyone doesn't get the "irony", the red cross is a symbol of protection under the Geneva convention. Russian Federation fascists withdrew from parts of the Geneva convention because it isn't a war crime if you don't recognize the law. Then, since it was the Soviet Union who signed them up in the first place, they could just argue they never signed up to the Geneva convention. I hardly need to say that this stunt makes a total mockery of the Geneva convention protection as some "cosplay" and making its workers, who should be protected by both sides in a conflict, appear militarized and partisan.

No matter what, you can not justify the attack on Ukraine Geneva convention or not

 

[MastaKiiLA]

.

For those who are concerned™



Lend lease

Who were the 10 assholes? This sort of negligent behavior needs to be put on blast 24/7. People should be held accountable for their votes in this.

I'm as big a pacifist as you'll ever meet. I hate war. There's often a diplomatic solution. But not when one nation is indescriminatly attacked by an imperialist aggressor. This is as noble a cause as we've seen this century. That vote should've been unanimous. Anyone voting against it should be primaries in the next election. No excuses.

 

[funkygunther]

Why else would the corruption in Ukraine be my concern if not for the astronomical sums of money we are sending them? Do you think I’m just picking on your new favorite thing just to be mean?

what would be the correct sum of money to send them?

 

[M1chl]

.

Who were the 10 assholes? This sort of negligent behavior needs to be put on blast 24/7. People should be held accountable for their votes in this.

I'm as big a pacifist as you'll ever meet. I hate war. There's often a diplomatic solution. But not when one nation is indescriminatly attacked by an imperialist aggressor. This is as noble a cause as we've seen this century. That vote should've been unanimous. Anyone voting against it should be primaries in the next election. No excuses.

I saw that somewhere, umm.....


And granted this donation is anti-war. Pro war would be something like funding Russia or something along those lines.

 

[Lord Panda]

Russian Marines learning the brutal reality of urban combat.

No blood or gore, but some may find it NSFW:

Spoiler

Crossing an active fire zone like that, bunched up in single file is nuts. I’m surprised that there was just the single casualty. Heck I’m also surprised at the super clear footage.

 

[Ionian]

So you're claiming to have learnt this from a history book.

This is despite the fact that from nuclear bomb/missile use, there has been almost no evidence of widespread radiation illness from them, only localised cases.

And even Chernobyl, not a bomb or missile, with the weather to spread it, only had relatively short term effects radioactively.

Here you go;

https://www.epa.gov/radtown/radioactive-fallout-nuclear-weapons-testing.

The UK, had a power plant close to the coast when I first went to college. It's now shut. Was always a threat that
it could be blown up by terrorists. Irish people were terrified. Screw Thatcher. She hated Irish people anyway. Was open about it. Nobody here cried when 'The Iron Lady' died.

Hell you never watched "Threads"?

 

[MastaKiiLA]

Yeah. The position of expecting some level of responsibility from my government is a radical position these days. If I don’t reflexively support emergency funding to the tune of the 11th largest military budget on earth straight to a country with very well documented corruption and fraud issues, I must be shilling for Vlad. But I don’t know what I’m worried about. The US government has such a great track record when it comes to fiscal stewardship…

Do you take issue with the military budget in general? Because I certainly do. We spend way to much on it. But this is an expenditure that I totally agree with. Why? We spend so much in peace time that when justified war arrives, THIS is when we need to spend. On top of that, this is money that fights for not just Ukraine's security, but also our own. Best of all, no non-volunteer US casualties. I don't want to act like Ukrainian soldiers are expendable, but since they have to fight anyway, let's help them win, while keeping our boys safe? You care that much about $33B to stop the resurgence of the USSR, when we throw orders of magnitude more on golden toilets and unjustified skirmishes over oil in the Middle East?

You understand that the reactions you're getting in here are due to an apparent loss of perspective on your part? Again, I'm no war monger, but I lived through the last 20 years of the Cold War, and the return of the Soviet Union is something no one should want to see. This is the war to prevent the big war IMO. Stop Russia in Ukraine, and we have a chance to affect regime change and stability in the continent. That is worth a $33B investment.

It's always telling when some people suddenly become fiscal hawks during times like this. At least I've spent my whole life railing against the bloated military budget. You're decades late for this bandwagon, buddy. That train already left the station.

 

[MastaKiiLA]

I saw that somewhere, umm.....


And granted this donation is anti-war. Pro war would be something like funding Russia or something along those lines.

When did the party of Reagan become the party of communist sympathizers? We should've nipped this in the bud in 2016. I hate Reagan, but he'd be rolling over in his grave right now.

 

[kurisu_1974]

Can't even imagine if my country's TV stations would broadcast stuff like that, discussing about how long it takes for a nuke to reach certain other countries. Absolutely fucking mental.

Why the fuck are we even allowing nucleair missiles in Kaliningrad. I think it's time to take a look at that enclave and give it back to Poland or Germany.

 

[Spaceman292]

And even Chernobyl, not a bomb or missile, with the weather to spread it, only had relatively short term effects radioactively.

This doesn't sound true at all

 

[akimbo009]

Just in case anyone doesn't get the "irony", the red cross is a symbol of protection under the Geneva convention. Russian Federation fascists withdrew from parts of the Geneva convention because it isn't a war crime if you don't recognize the law. Then, since it was the Soviet Union who signed them up in the first place, they could just argue they never signed up to the Geneva convention. I hardly need to say that this stunt makes a total mockery of the Geneva convention protection as some "cosplay" and making its workers, who should be protected by both sides in a conflict, appear militarized and partisan.

These are hookers wearing costumes from a local adult store. There is footage of them waving to Russian tanks rolling by - a whole photo and film crew.

It's all pretty hilarious actually.

 

[Phunkydiabetic]

You are not any better. You want innocent Russians To die

War is never good for anyone but the most powerful.

People in this thread are treating the conflict like a videogame. They've picked their side to cheer on, safe in the comfort of their own homes. You see it all over social media as well. The rah rah goes on, the virtue signalling goes on. The e-attaboys and smug declarations of "unity" are tossed about.

Questioning the effectiveness of handing over $33,000,000 to a country with a very blatant pattern of corrupt behavior is tantamount to supporting Putin. You saw it with the tovarisch comment directed at you that was just dripping with an undeserved sense of moral superiority.

Gross behavior.

 

[Ionian]

This doesn't sound true at all

It isn't true, I posted about it. Dude ignored it. He's talking bollocks.

 

[akimbo009]

People in this thread are treating the conflict like a videogame. They've picked their side to cheer on, safe in the comfort of their own homes. You see it all over social media as well. The rah rah goes on, the virtue signalling goes on. The e-attaboys and smug declarations of "unity" are tossed about.

Questioning the effectiveness of handing over $33,000,000 to a country with a very blatant pattern of corrupt behavior is tantamount to supporting Putin. You saw it with the tovarisch comment directed at you that was just dripping with an undeserved sense of moral superiority.

Gross behavior.

Sure, tovarisch.

 

[akimbo009]

Russian murder machines go boom.

 

[funkygunther]

dripping with an undeserved sense of moral superiority.

you are replying with this to a comment that says "you want innocent Russians To die", do you know what that comment means in this context?

 

[EviLore]

People in this thread are treating the conflict like a videogame. They've picked their side to cheer on, safe in the comfort of their own homes. You see it all over social media as well. The rah rah goes on, the virtue signalling goes on. The e-attaboys and smug declarations of "unity" are tossed about.

Questioning the effectiveness of handing over $33,000,000 to a country with a very blatant pattern of corrupt behavior is tantamount to supporting Putin. You saw it with the tovarisch comment directed at you that was just dripping with an undeserved sense of moral superiority.

Gross behavior.

Gross behavior is the mass execution of civilian populations in an unjust war of aggression. Gross behavior is "you have my permission to rape Ukrainian girls, just use protection." Gross behavior is saying on state television that nuclear armageddon is a viable option because "we'll all go to heaven."

 

[daveonezero]

Fuck the oligarchs and corrupt governments of the west. Russia and China.

People in this thread are treating the conflict like a videogame. They've picked their side to cheer on, safe in the comfort of their own homes. You see it all over social media as well. The rah rah goes on, the virtue signalling goes on. The e-attaboys and smug declarations of "unity" are tossed about.

Questioning the effectiveness of handing over $33,000,000 to a country with a very blatant pattern of corrupt behavior is tantamount to supporting Putin. You saw it with the tovarisch comment directed at you that was just dripping with an undeserved sense of moral superiority.

Gross behavior.

it’s ok. They have a very effective argument

“Agent” “you want Jews to die” “literally hurler”

These people will be saying this all the way to the train car if they are lucky and if they aren’t in a ditch.

 

[Airbus Jr]

DeepBreath87 logic :

" dont donate 33 billion to aid or help her cos maybe their government wil corrupt the money "

 

[daveonezero]

Gross behavior is the mass execution of civilian populations in an unjust war of aggression. Gross behavior is "you have my permission to rape Ukrainian girls, just use protection." Gross behavior is saying on state television that nuclear armageddon is a viable option because "we'll all go to heaven."

No one is saying those aren’t gross.

Is spying on millions of people gross? I’m just asking for come consistancy.

The US gov has blood on its hands for aggressive wars.

 

[funkygunther]

I’m just asking for come consistancy.

why? why is "consistancy" relevant to anything here?

 

[Airbus Jr]

No one is saying those aren’t gross.

Is spying on millions of people gross? I’m just asking for come consistancy.

The US gov has blood on its hands for aggressive wars.

This thread is about putin invasion in ukraine

Why are you turning this into US ? You have certain agenda?

 

[MidGenRefresh]

Seems like now is a good time to invade Poland.

 

[gradient]

No one is saying those aren’t gross.

Is spying on millions of people gross? I’m just asking for come consistancy.

The US gov has blood on its hands for aggressive wars.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/whataboutism

 

[daveonezero]

This thread is about putin invasion in ukraine

Why are you turning this into US ? You have certain agenda?

Yes. Because the end goal is for the US to get involved. I am against that.

I would ask if that happens why is the US not involved in Yemen?

Why has the US not intervened in Africa?

Why is it that some genocides are ok and others are not?

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/whataboutism

You know how many fallacious arguments I've received? People have brought up being Russian, Jews and Hitler.

 

[funkygunther]

You know how many fallacious arguments I've received? People have brought up being Russian, Jews and Hitler.

why are some fallacious arguments ok and others not? I'm just asking for some consistency here

 

[Airbus Jr]

Yes. Because the end goal is for the US to get involved. I am against that.

I would ask if that happens why is the US not involved in Yemen?

Why has the US not intervened in Africa?

Why is it that some genocides are ok and others are not?


You know how many fallacious arguments I've received? People have brought up being Russian, Jews and Hitler.

No..no..no this thread is about putin invasion in ukraine and nothing else..

It is obvious now youre carying different agenda into this thread...

I ve payed attention your mind and focus seems to be on some anti US hatred which doesnt make sense in this thread

 

[Kraz]

Seems like now is a good time to invade Poland.

A couple weeks ago...

Poland signs $4.75 billion Abrams tank deal as Russia’s war speeds procurements

Deliveries are to begin this year, with 28 tanks to be procured to the country’s armed forces.

www.defensenews.com

Polish Defence Minister Mariusz Błaszczak on Tuesday signed a deal worth about $4.75 billion to buy 250 M1A2 Abrams SEPv3 from the United States.

 

[Ozriel]

I know right? Why can’t I just blindly go along with giving $33 billion to a country with a clear pattern of corrupt behavior? Why should it matter whether half the money gets stolen as long as some of it does something good? I’ll try to be a better cheerleader next time.

Nobody’s stealing money when it’s their neck in the noose. The Russians are bad for business for the oligarchs.

The real money is to be made later after Russia is defeated or driven back. Oligarchs will try to skim billions from the reconstruction fees. New millionaires will rise from that, no doubt.

But for now? For arms purchases? I think most would behave themselves.

 

[gradient]

You know how many fallacious arguments I've received? People have brought up being Russian, Jews and Hitler.

That doesn't excuse you doing it. Other people doing it doesn't make it okay and it certainly doesn't validate the tactic.

If you're growing frustrated because you feel others are being disingenous then try to take a step back or hold to making a consistent point. Flailing off into whataboutism like this is counterproductive and only serves to undermine your own position.