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[NoLootBoxDev]

Dear Diary,

Today we got some farmland, we will never be oppressed by the west. Now I will pursue my dream to be a potato farmer. Who needs video games, the internet, technology, up-to-date medicine, TV, or anything that can improve our lives? All I know is that if there is a nuclear war I will go to heaven, while I hate everyone who is not Ruzzian, as my country's army kills innocent people, rape, and attack whoever the dear leader wants. I will follow like the North Koreans and we will be brothers on the farms.

I think I saw a rat, time to go hunt...

"Russian Car Factory Gives Farmland to Furloughed Workers" -signs that braindrain and a lack of western components can turn the clock backwards in Russia, moving towards an all agrarian, no industrial society...​

themoscowtimes.com/2022/0...

 

[Kraz]

"Russian Car Factory Gives Farmland to Furloughed Workers" -signs that braindrain and a lack of western components can turn the clock backwards in Russia, moving towards an all agrarian, no industrial society...​

themoscowtimes.com/2022/0...

Agrarian, they wish. They've gone full savage.
They're on their way back to foraging to survive.

They keep going and the Russians are going to be living on reservations as a marvel for advanced humans.

 

[EverydayBeast]

Ukraine right now is so much better than Russia’s military.

 

[Dream-Knife]

Pope Says NATO Might Have Provoked Russian Invasion of Ukraine

ROME⁠—Pope Francis said that the “barking of NATO at the door of Russia” might have led to the invasion of Ukraine and that he didn't know whether other countries should supply Ukraine with more arms. The pope at the same time deplored the brutality of the war and criticized the leader of the Russi

www.wsj.com

 

[daveonezero]

Who’d a thunk it.
You can not like Russian invasion.
And and at the same time not endorse NATO expansion over the last few decades.

I can’t believe the Pope is against this war.

I mean even NATO loves buying it’s energy from Russia to fuel this war with Russia.

It’s only gonna take 12 months to cut them off of that gravy train.

 

[TransTrender]

Pope Says NATO Might Have Provoked Russian Invasion of Ukraine

ROME⁠—Pope Francis said that the “barking of NATO at the door of Russia” might have led to the invasion of Ukraine and that he didn't know whether other countries should supply Ukraine with more arms. The pope at the same time deplored the brutality of the war and criticized the leader of the Russi

www.wsj.com

Pope supports Ukrainian genocide confirmed.

 

[funkygunther]

Who’d a thunk it.
You can not like Russian invasion.
And and at the same time not endorse NATO expansion over the last few decades.

I can’t believe the Pope is against this war.

the article makes it seems like the Pope is linking the two

 

[daveonezero]

Pope supports Ukrainian genocide confirmed.

They do have some history with genocide.

 

[Chittagong]

‘No mercy’: Putin mouthpiece warns of ‘concentration camps and sterilisation’

“Russian filmmaker Shakhnazarov has blasted Russian critics of President Vladimir Putin, warning detractors that there will be “no mercy”, as reported by The Express on Thursday, May 5.

euroweeklynews.com

De-nazificaton sure sounds like hard work

 

[daveonezero]

the article makes it seems like the Pope is linking the two

yeah because he knows where oil and gas comes from that NATO buys.

And they don’t want to buy it anymore funding Putin and Putin is upset. They want Putin to submit because they shut off all their own fossil fuel energy sources down. Germany is starving for energy since they shut all their reactors down.

Y’all act like no one has fought wars over oil.

 

[funkygunther]

yeah because he knows where oil and gas comes from.

that doesn't make any sense

 

[winjer]

‘No mercy’: Putin mouthpiece warns of ‘concentration camps and sterilisation’

“Russian filmmaker Shakhnazarov has blasted Russian critics of President Vladimir Putin, warning detractors that there will be “no mercy”, as reported by The Express on Thursday, May 5.

euroweeklynews.com

De-nazificaton sure sounds like hard work

So Putin wants to join the club of genocidal maniacs.

 

[Dream-Knife]

Pope supports Ukrainian genocide confirmed.

Um...

 

[M1chl]

Um...

Yes actually.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

More propaganda from Sweet Boots, our favorite Chechen warlord.

 

[Tams]

Um...

There's not really any other logical conclusion though.

The Pope's blaming NATO for antagonising Russia, when NATO spending and deployments have been almost at record lows. There was almost nothing there to antagonise Russia with. And by taking that line, he is saying that there was some justification for Russia's invasion, which is ultimately a justification for how they invaded.

Now, you might say, "You can support the invasion but not how it has been conducted". But that's a contradiction, and a case of having your cake and eating it. You either support the invasion and all it entails, as that's what has happened, or you don't.

To disagree with that is just more airy-fairy, naïve wishful thinking. "If only we could all be good!" Reality however, is simply just not like that. We, like all species, are fundamentally greedy and will do almost anything to get what we want; to survive and reproduce with our offspring. We have developed cognitively enough to effectively control and limit that greed to an immense extent, but is still just restricting a strong primitive instinct.

 

[winjer]

Pope supports Ukrainian genocide confirmed.

It's not the first time that the Catholic church supports Genocidal maniacs.
Many Catholic officials were very friendly with the Nazi regime. To the point, that at the end of the war, they helped many Nazi criminals escape.
The Catholic Church was also very friendly with fascist regimes. For example, the Vatican state was promulgated by Mussolini.
They were also very friendly with Franco's regime in Spain. And with Salazar's regime in Portugal.

 

[Dream-Knife]

There's not really any other logical conclusion though.

The Pope's blaming NATO for antagonising Russia, when NATO spending and deployments have been almost at record lows. There was almost nothing there to antagonise Russia with. And by taking that line, he is saying that there was some justification for Russia's invasion, which is ultimately a justification for how they invaded.

Now, you might say, "You can support the invasion but not how it has been conducted". But that's a contradiction, and a case of having your cake and eating it. You either support the invasion and all it entails, as that's what has happened, or you don't.

To disagree with that is just more airy-fairy, naïve wishful thinking. "If only we could all be good!" Reality however, is simply just not like that. We, like all species, are fundamentally greedy and will do almost anything to get what we want; to survive and reproduce with our offspring. We have developed cognitively enough to effectively control and limit that greed to an immense extent, but is still just restricting a strong primitive instinct.

I think he's talking about east ward expansion.

 

[M1chl]

I think he's talking about east ward expansion.

There isn't any expansion, it's voluntary join. And clearly, Ukraine seek(ed) protection and their calls hasn't been unfounded. Actually Ukraine was rejected from Nato multiple times, so no. Pope is wrong. Probably willfully, since kremlin money are everywhere.

 

[Tams]

I think he's talking about east ward expansion.

And? That's none of Russia's business. Not their countries; not their land.

Russia stooges speak of it as if the initial members really wanted to expand eastward. But among them (even within each member) that was highly controversial, if only because it would increase the burden and likelihood of needing to honour the treaty. At the end of the day though, the new members were accepted as they were considered like-minded enough and thus deserving of protection while not likely to destabilise the alliance.

 

[EviLore]

 

[Dream-Knife]

And? That's none of Russia's business. Not their countries; not their land.

Russia stooges speak of it as if the initial members really wanted to expand eastward. But among them (even within each member) that was highly controversial, if only because it would increase the burden and likelihood of needing to honour the treaty. At the end of the day though, the new members were accepted as they were considered like-minded enough and thus deserving of protection while not likely to destabilise the alliance.

We acted the same way when the soviet union parked some missles in cuba.

There isn't any expansion, it's voluntary join. And clearly, Ukraine seek(ed) protection and their calls hasn't been unfounded. Actually Ukraine was rejected from Nato multiple times, so no. Pope is wrong. Probably willfully, since kremlin money are everywhere.

And Russia isn't comfortable with a military alliance formed against the precursor to the modern Russian state being expanded to their borders.

It's not like the pope is endorsing the war, he's just saying why he thinks it happened.

 

[NoLootBoxDev]

Please do not sent weapons to Ukraine or the Iron dome....Lavrov was stupid...

 

[M1chl]

We acted the same way when the soviet union parked some missles in cuba.

And Russia isn't comfortable with a military alliance formed against the precursor to the modern Russian state being expanded to their borders.

It's not like the pope is endorsing the war, he's just saying why he thinks it happened.

Yeah and he is wrong, after all "NATO" in Putins manifesto is somewhere down and mentioned like once, main point is "blood and soil" argument.

 

[Dream-Knife]

Yeah and he is wrong, after all "NATO" in Putins manifesto is somewhere down and mentioned like once, main point is "blood and soil" argument.

Source?

 

[funkygunther]

We acted the same way when the soviet union parked some missles in cuba.

And Russia isn't comfortable with a military alliance formed against the precursor to the modern Russian state being expanded to their borders.

It's not like the pope is endorsing the war, he's just saying why he thinks it happened.

firstly, it’s not the same situation as the USSR parking missiles in Cuba and so the actions performed by Russia here are not the same

secondly, the Pope saying this is giving credence to Russian propaganda about why there is a war, I mean invasion, I mean special military operation…he might as well say he thinks it’s because Ukraine is Naziville for all the legitimacy in his statement

i don’t particularly care about what the Pope says but a lot of people do and by saying stupid shit he gives legitimacy to Russian propaganda

 

[M1chl]

Source?

This is directly from Kremlin, so no changes:

Article by Vladimir Putin ”On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians“ • President of Russia (kremlin.ru)

 

[Relique]

There's not really any other logical conclusion though.

The Pope's blaming NATO for antagonising Russia, when NATO spending and deployments have been almost at record lows. There was almost nothing there to antagonise Russia with. And by taking that line, he is saying that there was some justification for Russia's invasion, which is ultimately a justification for how they invaded.

Now, you might say, "You can support the invasion but not how it has been conducted". But that's a contradiction, and a case of having your cake and eating it. You either support the invasion and all it entails, as that's what has happened, or you don't.

To disagree with that is just more airy-fairy, naïve wishful thinking. "If only we could all be good!" Reality however, is simply just not like that. We, like all species, are fundamentally greedy and will do almost anything to get what we want; to survive and reproduce with our offspring. We have developed cognitively enough to effectively control and limit that greed to an immense extent, but is still just restricting a strong primitive instinct.

You're right. The idea that NATO expansion scared Russia into this invasion is a joke. Anyone who believes that, including the pope, doesn't know wtf they are talking about. Imagine ever believing the Russian government on anything ffs.

Ukraine was quickly slipping from Russia's sphere of influence with it's EU/NATO aspirations, which is the real reason. They feel like Ukraine is theirs, pure and simple. In the span of a few years, Ukraine managed to oust the Russian puppet government, entered the European Union–Ukraine Association Agreement, got their citizens visa-free travel to the Schengen zone, and greatly loosed trade restrictions/tariffs with the EU at the detriment of their own tax incomes. They were pushing hard for EU membership and were not at all interested in Russia. Putin probably thought that the 2014 annexation would scare Ukraine from further going down that road, but it had the opposite effect.

We acted the same way when the soviet union parked some missles in cuba.

And Russia isn't comfortable with a military alliance formed against the precursor to the modern Russian state being expanded to their borders.

It's not like the pope is endorsing the war, he's just saying why he thinks it happened.

He's wrong.

Also, the situation in Cuba is not the exactly the same. A defensive military pact like NATO would have involved redistribution of defensive military anti-air and anti-armor equipment, some light armor vehicles, expansion of air patrol, and maybe some training facilities. It is nothing like directly aiming nuclear warheads at us from next door. We are also comparing the height of the cold war to now.

 

[Tams]

We acted the same way when the soviet union parked some missles in cuba.

And Russia isn't comfortable with a military alliance formed against the precursor to the modern Russian state being expanded to their borders.

It's not like the pope is endorsing the war, he's just saying why he thinks it happened.

History is not your strong suit, is it?

I'm not even American I know that the US did not invade Cuba because of that crisis. And that Kennedy secretly agreed to remove nuclear weapons from Turkey in exchange for the removal from Cuba. Not that it's comparable in any way, as Nato haven't deployed nuclear weapons in any former Soviet states, only air defence systems. And as I said, until this mess were almost at all time lows for defence expenditure amongst most members, and in terms of resources deployed to Eastern Europe.

And don't Bay of Pigs at me. That was a shoddy, half-arsed shadow operation done mainly by Cubans as part of the general Cold War shenanigans.

I don't know if you are a Putin apologist or just a bit dim, but please stop.

 

[funkygunther]

I'm not even American I know that the US did not invade Cuba because of that crisis.

it wouldn’t even be that, it would me more like if the US invaded The Bahamas because the Soviets put missiles in Cuba

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

Putin groveling to Israel... somehow funny.

But also, why.

 

[TwinB242]

Putin groveling to Israel... somehow funny.

But also, why.

He knows he would be screwed if Israel suddenly decided to send Ukraine some Iron Dome systems

but tbh they should do it anyway, or at least some other kind of military aid.

 

[funkygunther]

Putin groveling to Israel... somehow funny.

But also, why.

Russia was basically provoking its “friend” for no reason. So far Israel has provided humanitarian aid to Ukraine but no military support or sanctions. Russia can and will say what it likes about the West, it knows we’re a lost cause, but for other countries, ones that it collaborates with extremely frequently and in strategic geolocations like ME, its messaging can’t be so sloppy.

 

[Forsete]

Putin groveling to Israel... somehow funny.

But also, why.

Bet he hasn't seen this video yet.

 

[Airbus Jr]

 

[Dream-Knife]

firstly, it’s not the same situation as the USSR parking missiles in Cuba and so the actions performed by Russia here are not the same

secondly, the Pope saying this is giving credence to Russian propaganda about why there is a war, I mean invasion, I mean special military operation…he might as well say he thinks it’s because Ukraine is Naziville for all the legitimacy in his statement

i don’t particularly care about what the Pope says but a lot of people do and by saying stupid shit he gives legitimacy to Russian propaganda

It's not the exact same, but it is still a military provocation. The pope said nothing of national socialism, nor mentioned Azov.

This is directly from Kremlin, so no changes:

Article by Vladimir Putin ”On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians“ • President of Russia (kremlin.ru)

I didn't see anything really about "blood and soil" in there, just explaining the natural history of the two countries.

He did deny the Ukrainian genocide, and is very wrong on that. He has access to Stalin's archives...

Also, the situation in Cuba is not the exactly the same. A defensive military pact like NATO would have involved redistribution of defensive military anti-air and anti-armor equipment, some light armor vehicles, expansion of air patrol, and maybe some training facilities. It is nothing like directly aiming nuclear warheads at us from next door. We are also comparing the height of the cold war to now.

Just Leave It: NATO’s Nuclear Weapons Policy at the Warsaw Summit | Arms Control Association

www.armscontrol.org

History is not your strong suit, is it?

I'm not even American I know that the US did not invade Cuba because of that crisis. And that Kennedy secretly agreed to remove nuclear weapons from Turkey in exchange for the removal from Cuba. Not that it's comparable in any way, as Nato haven't deployed nuclear weapons in any former Soviet states, only air defence systems. And as I said, until this mess were almost at all time lows for defence expenditure amongst most members, and in terms of resources deployed to Eastern Europe.

And don't Bay of Pigs at me. That was a shoddy, half-arsed shadow operation done mainly by Cubans as part of the general Cold War shenanigans.

I don't know if you are a Putin apologist or just a bit dim, but please stop.

My bachelor's is in history, with a focus on 1905-1991 Russia. It's military escalation, which is my point.

 

[Kraz]

Israel negotiating everyone's safety out of Mariupol over this incident would twist Russian heads.

 

[funkygunther]

It's not the exact same, but it is still a military provocation. The pope said nothing of national socialism, nor mentioned Azov.

You said yourself “acted the same way” and so now you say that no, they didn’t…ok then

and no the Pope didn’t say anything about Nazis, which is why i said ”he might as well”, because there is as much truth or justification in that as there in regurgitating the NATO bullshit

and now actually on the Pope’s bullshit, you ignored the main point which is where, by regurgitating the Russian propaganda, he is legitimising the propaganda to the people that listen to him

 

[akimbo009]

It's not the exact same, but it is still a military provocation. The pope said nothing of national socialism, nor mentioned Azov.

I didn't see anything really about "blood and soil" in there, just explaining the natural history of the two countries.

He did deny the Ukrainian genocide, and is very wrong on that. He has access to Stalin's archives...

Just Leave It: NATO’s Nuclear Weapons Policy at the Warsaw Summit | Arms Control Association

www.armscontrol.org

My bachelor's is in history, with a focus on 1905-1991 Russia. It's military escalation, which is my point.

You took the class, but maybe didn't learn the lesson.

Joining a defense alliance isn't a military escalation. We can argue about how the West took advantage of some of the post-Soviet time which forced Russia into decisions they preferred they didn't - but former Soviet nations wanted security after decades and/or centuries of attack from Russia. That's a totally reasonable desire and alliance.

None of it should result in attacking Ukraine or any other nation.

 

[Relique]

It's not the exact same, but it is still a military provocation. The pope said nothing of national socialism, nor mentioned Azov.

I didn't see anything really about "blood and soil" in there, just explaining the natural history of the two countries.

He did deny the Ukrainian genocide, and is very wrong on that. He has access to Stalin's archives...

Just Leave It: NATO’s Nuclear Weapons Policy at the Warsaw Summit | Arms Control Association

www.armscontrol.org

My bachelor's is in history, with a focus on 1905-1991 Russia. It's military escalation, which is my point.

I don't have time to read all right now but I'll bookmark it for later. Thanks for the link anyway.

But just skimming through some of it says EU nukes went down from 2500 to 180. From the sound of it the nukes that NATO does have all remain in western Europe as per their agreements.
Then post 2014 they've flexed some military exercises and had proposals to beef up their "nuclear posture," but I don't see that as an inappropriate response to the illegal annexation of Crimea. Shaping up your military after a neighbor is invaded should not be seen as an act of provocation, especially to the aggressor.

I'll give it more thorough read later anyway but I don't see this really convincing me. There are obvious reasons for this invasion as I outlined above and it has nothing to do with being threatened. This isn't tales from my ass either as Putin is the one who went on TV and said that Ukraine has historically belonged to Russia. If they really feel threatened, then good.. they can go fuck themselves.

 

[Dream-Knife]

You said yourself “acted the same way” and so now you say that no, they didn’t…ok then

and no the Pope didn’t say anything about Nazis, which is why i said ”he might as well”, because there is as much truth or justification in that as there in regurgitating the NATO bullshit

and now actually on the Pope’s bullshit, you ignored the main point which is where, by regurgitating the Russian propaganda, he is legitimising the propaganda to the people that listen to him

No I did not. Countries act in their own self interest logically. They can make mistakes, such as when Hitler believed that by having an alliance with Japan to pull the US out of the Atlantic because FDR was attacking Uboats in an undeclared war would pull Britain out of the war so he could focus on his actual war aims, but then declared war on the US thinking Japan would also declare war on the USSR to hold down the eastern divisions. Woops. Regardless of what people like to think, nation states act rationally to the information they have.

Speaking of propaganda...

You took the class, but maybe didn't learn the lesson.

Joining a defense alliance isn't a military escalation. We can argue about how the West took advantage of some of the post-Soviet time which forced Russia into decisions they preferred they didn't - but former Soviet nations wanted security after decades and/or centuries of attack from Russia. That's a totally reasonable desire and alliance.

None of it should result in attacking Ukraine or any other nation.

You should study up on the concert of Europe and the events leading upto WWI.

I don't have time to read all right now but I'll bookmark it for later. Thanks for the link anyway.

But just skimming through some of it says EU nukes went down from 2500 to 180. From the sound of it the nukes that NATO does have all remain in western Europe as per their agreements.
Then post 2014 they've flexed some military exercises and had proposals to beef up their "nuclear posture," but I don't see that as an inappropriate response to the illegal annexation of Crimea. Shaping up your military after a neighbor is invaded should not be seen as an act of provocation, especially to the aggressor.

I'll give it more thorough read later anyway but I don't see this really convincing me. There are obvious reasons for this invasion as I outlined above and it has nothing to do with being threatened. This isn't tales from my ass either as Putin is the one who went on TV and said that Ukraine has historically belonged to Russia. If they really feel threatened, then good.. they can go fuck themselves.

Ukraine has historically belonged to Russia though...

 

[funkygunther]

No I did not. Countries act in their own self interest logically. They can make mistakes, such as when Hitler believed that by having an alliance with Japan to pull the US out of the Atlantic because FDR was attacking Uboats in an undeclared war would pull Britain out of the war so he could focus on his actual war aims, but then declared war on the US thinking Japan would also declare war on the USSR to hold down the eastern divisions. Woops. Regardless of what people like to think, nation states act rationally to the information they have.

you did, I quoted you directly

you are still straying from the Pope’s bullshit by now talking about “nation states acting rational to the information they have”, which is not what is happening here with the Russian propaganda line that NATO has anything to do with it…you are conflating their propaganda with them behaving logically, as if they must go hand-in-hand but that is you being very naive

the Russians have shared a border with a NATO country since its inception, the NATO country in fact, the current undefined expansionist excuse is just that, it’s a load of bollocks and I know you don’t want to talk about this bullshit propaganda line but the Pope, and yourself, need to stop giving it air

 

[akimbo009]

No I did not. Countries act in their own self interest logically. They can make mistakes, such as when Hitler believed that by having an alliance with Japan to pull the US out of the Atlantic because FDR was attacking Uboats in an undeclared war would pull Britain out of the war so he could focus on his actual war aims, but then declared war on the US thinking Japan would also declare war on the USSR to hold down the eastern divisions. Woops. Regardless of what people like to think, nation states act rationally to the information they have.

Speaking of propaganda...

You should study up on the concert of Europe and the events leading upto WWI.

Ukraine has historically belonged to Russia though...

History changes. Ukraine has free agency to choose how they want to govern and who they associate with. They have been separated from Russia for 30+ years now. No going back, and the comment is irrelevant.

 

[Relique]

Ukraine has historically belonged to Russia though...

I didn't go into it further because I'd assumed everyone was familiar with what he said. He used that to justify this "military operation" against a now sovereign Ukraine. A country which Russia recognized and promised to respect the sovereignty of in exchange from some previous concessions by the Ukrainians. He didn't do this because he was threatened by NATO. Ukraine joining wasn't going to practically change anything when NATO was already at his border via Latvia and Estonia just a few hundred kilometers north. Finland is applying right now, what's Putin doing to preserve his security there?

He wants imperial Russia back. He feels Russia is entitled to Ukraine and thinks that he has the right to renege on their previous agreements because they are escaping his influence. In the past 6-7 years Ukraine has made giant progress in aligning itself with Europe and shedding more and more of the Russian influence. Even the language was quickly being abandoned in Kyiv the last time I was there. Everybody knows this which is why the pope comes across as someone who is clueless in this.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

 

[chromhound]

So what did i miss? i haven't checked here in a while but i know that Russia is still losing lol

 

[NoLootBoxDev]

 

[NoLootBoxDev]

Edit: I was with the impression it was the Russians. WHF sending people Naked

 

[NoLootBoxDev]

Russia loses about 200 servicemen, 15 tanks and two planes in past 24 hours​

en.interfax.com.ua/news/g...

 

[Wildebeest]

So what did i miss? i haven't checked here in a while but i know that Russia is still losing lol

Looks like most of the Russian units are still broken, despite being moved from the north to the east. The red cross managed to evacuate some people out of the Azov steelworks, which was nice. Things are a bit weird now, and I guess the best we can hope for is that Putin might find some awful excuse for stopping this nightmare and the world will just eat shit and pretend it makes sense to save lives.