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Russia begins Invasion of Ukraine

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Lots of managers who are suddenly required to deliver all the fuel/ammo/weapons/vehicles they have stored on paper. Which are either rotted away as all the money for maintenance was stolen or sold on the black market.
Better burn down the place and blame saboteurs.
 

FunkMiller

Banned
Ukraine has historically belonged to Russia though...

So what? You almost sound like you’re either defending, or at least rationalising, what Putin said. He used Ukraine’s history as his rationale for invasion. Do you feel previous ownership of a nation is a cassus belli? You keep citing historical precedent for Russia’s actions. Why? None of those situations is comparable to this one.
 
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Tams

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It's not the exact same, but it is still a military provocation. The pope said nothing of national socialism, nor mentioned Azov.

I didn't see anything really about "blood and soil" in there, just explaining the natural history of the two countries.

He did deny the Ukrainian genocide, and is very wrong on that. He has access to Stalin's archives...


My bachelor's is in history, with a focus on 1905-1991 Russia. It's military escalation, which is my point.
Please tell us which university...
 
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TwinB242

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Since there's less troops in the city, I wonder if it would be possible for Ukraine to sneak in some choppers carrying supplies to the Azovstal defenders. They did that earlier in the war with some success, and there's probably not as much air defense in the area now. They also have some of those new Mi 17 choppers the U.S. gave them. Could be worth a try.
 
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Loki

Count of Concision
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/na...ssian-flagship-moskva-officials-say-rcna27559

I assume no one in here has a problem with this? The war drums beat loud in here. Very nearsighted - or intentionally provocative - to be announcing our complicity like that. It's almost as if the Biden administration WANTS war (and possible nuclear war) with Russia. Go figure. What I do know is that if you polled Americans, fewer than 20% would be on-board with these types of provocations and actions. But apparently what Americans actually want doesn't matter to the powers that be - they know better than you do.
 
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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/na...ssian-flagship-moskva-officials-say-rcna27559

I assume no one in here has a problem with this? The war drums beat loud in here. Very nearsighted - or intentionally provocative - to be announcing our complicity like that. It's almost as if the Biden administration WANTS war (and possible nuclear war) with Russia. Go figure. What I do know is that if you polled Americans, fewer than 20% would be on-board with these types of provocations and actions. But apparently what Americans actually want doesn't matter to the powers that be - they know better than you do.

US and global intel has been helping Ukraine, along with military aid and weapons, since the start of this. It is a line all countries are walking, not just the US "If you polled Americans" doesnt mean anything or that you know anything, do you have any actual polls?

The concern trolling is getting boring, you lot are like lizards tails.
 

HoodWinked

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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/na...ssian-flagship-moskva-officials-say-rcna27559

I assume no one in here has a problem with this? The war drums beat loud in here. Very nearsighted - or intentionally provocative - to be announcing our complicity like that. It's almost as if the Biden administration WANTS war (and possible nuclear war) with Russia. Go figure. What I do know is that if you polled Americans, fewer than 20% would be on-board with these types of provocations and actions. But apparently what Americans actually want doesn't matter to the powers that be - they know better than you do.

Can't lose the mid terms if we have nuclear apocalypse
 

Durien

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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/na...ssian-flagship-moskva-officials-say-rcna27559

I assume no one in here has a problem with this? The war drums beat loud in here. Very nearsighted - or intentionally provocative - to be announcing our complicity like that. It's almost as if the Biden administration WANTS war (and possible nuclear war) with Russia. Go figure. What I do know is that if you polled Americans, fewer than 20% would be on-board with these types of provocations and actions. But apparently what Americans actually want doesn't matter to the powers that be - they know better than you do.
I'll say it again, I don't know why we keep announcing all the stuff we should be keeping behind closed doors. This is a serious issue and should be addressed. Our attitude right now is, sure we helped them and what are you going to do about it? It is a very dangerous borderline foolish attitude to have.
Russia can use this information to fuel hatred and resentment toward the US. I'm sure that the Russian people don't want war (who does?) But when you can say "Look! The US helped kill your son!" you can't really respond with anything other than Sorry but he didn't belong there.

We really should be negotiating peace here, not fighting a proxy war with the hopes it would take Russia a long time to recover. Everyone loses in war.

I was wondering if the sell off on Wall Street today isn't so much worries about inflation as foreign investors getting money out of the market and into their pockets.
 

Loki

Count of Concision
US and global intel has been helping Ukraine, along with military aid and weapons, since the start of this. It is a line all countries are walking, not just the US "If you polled Americans" doesnt mean anything or that you know anything, do you have any actual polls?

The concern trolling is getting boring, you lot are like lizards tails.

Keep deluding yourself if you believe anything other than an extreme minority of Americans want continued involvement in this war, and continued provocation and escalation with Russia. lol @ calling it "concern trolling" - you stooges are being led by the hand down a very dangerous road and are too blind to see it.
 
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Keep deluding yourself if you believe anything other than an extreme minority of Americans want continued involvement in this war, and continued provocation and escalation with Russia. lol @ calling it "concern trolling" - you stooges are being led by the hand down a very dangerous road and are too blind to see it.

You are full of shit, unable to back up anything you say
 

Kraz

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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/na...ssian-flagship-moskva-officials-say-rcna27559

I assume no one in here has a problem with this? The war drums beat loud in here. Very nearsighted - or intentionally provocative - to be announcing our complicity like that. It's almost as if the Biden administration WANTS war (and possible nuclear war) with Russia. Go figure. What I do know is that if you polled Americans, fewer than 20% would be on-board with these types of provocations and actions. But apparently what Americans actually want doesn't matter to the powers that be - they know better than you do.
It didn't come from the White House since they're waiting on a response. Says it's from US officials, maybe with the defense department. Provocative, probably. News already walked back an American news report about targeting Russian command. This sounds like it's part of the same newsop. Takes away from Ukrainian success and is not usual to brag. So maybe strategic reasons. Reminder to keep Moskva in Russian news for May 9, and reading it as a broadcast to help resistance fighters in the strategic plan like in the movies... Crimean Bridge?
 

FunkMiller

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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/na...ssian-flagship-moskva-officials-say-rcna27559

I assume no one in here has a problem with this? The war drums beat loud in here. Very nearsighted - or intentionally provocative - to be announcing our complicity like that. It's almost as if the Biden administration WANTS war (and possible nuclear war) with Russia. Go figure. What I do know is that if you polled Americans, fewer than 20% would be on-board with these types of provocations and actions. But apparently what Americans actually want doesn't matter to the powers that be - they know better than you do.

I find it pretty fucking shameful that so many people in the USA can‘t bring themselves to support a war effort to stop the modern day equivalent of the Nazis…

And you’re trying to force politics back into this discussion, in a forum that has rightly banned it.

I would hope what Americans want is what the rest of us want in the west - for our governments to do all they can to punish the war atrocities being committed by Russia. This goes way beyond petty partisan American politics. America should take a strong and bold position when horrors like this are happening. Because it can. And because it’s still ultimately a decent country with decent morals… despite what some social media commentary would have us believe.
 
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FunkMiller

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I'll say it again, I don't know why we keep announcing all the stuff we should be keeping behind closed doors. This is a serious issue and should be addressed. Our attitude right now is, sure we helped them and what are you going to do about it? It is a very dangerous borderline foolish attitude to have.
Russia can use this information to fuel hatred and resentment toward the US. I'm sure that the Russian people don't want war (who does?) But when you can say "Look! The US helped kill your son!" you can't really respond with anything other than Sorry but he didn't belong there.

We really should be negotiating peace here, not fighting a proxy war with the hopes it would take Russia a long time to recover. Everyone loses in war.

I was wondering if the sell off on Wall Street today isn't so much worries about inflation as foreign investors getting money out of the market and into their pockets.

I bet you’d have been one of the ones calling for America not to get involved in the Second World War, if you’d been alive in 1940.
 

Durien

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I bet you’d have been one of the ones calling for America not to get involved in the Second World War, if you’d been alive in 1940.
Because the Japanese bombing Pearl Harbor is the equivalent of what is happening now in Ukraine?

For the record, I was in the military (Navy) although not in 1940 ;)
 

FunkMiller

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Because the Japanese bombing Pearl Harbor is the equivalent of what is happening now in Ukraine?

For the record, I was in the military (Navy) although not in 1940 ;)

Pearl Harbour was the end of 41. I’m talking about prior to that, after Germany’s campaign in Europe, where they invaded sovereign European countries. Many Americans called for the US to stay out of it, because it would be expensive, because they didn’t want America to be targeted, and because it wasn’t happening anywhere near them. Sound familiar?

Russia are slaughtering innocent people by their thousands. If that’s not a reason good enough for you for your country to step up, what the hell is?
 
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akimbo009

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I find it incredibly fucking shameful that so many people in the USA can‘t bring themselves to support a war effort to stop the modern day equivalent of the Nazis… just because the political party they don’t like is in power.

And you’re trying to force politics back into this discussion, in a forum that has rightly banned it.

I would hope what Americans want is what the rest of us want in the west - for our governments to do all they can to punish the war atrocities being committed by Russia. This goes way beyond petty partisan American politics. America should take a strong and bold position when horrors like this are happening. Because it can. And because it’s still ultimately a decent country with decent morals… despite what some social media commentary would have us believe.

Can't speak for all Americans, but my neighbors are flying Ukrainian flags and totally on board to fuck these Russians up. Except that one dude who has weird signs about Biden and oil, but he's a fucker.

Fuck Putin, let them all die.
 

Romulus

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I find it pretty fucking shameful that so many people in the USA can‘t bring themselves to support a war effort to stop the modern day equivalent of the Nazis…

And you’re trying to force politics back into this discussion, in a forum that has rightly banned it.

I would hope what Americans want is what the rest of us want in the west - for our governments to do all they can to punish the war atrocities being committed by Russia. This goes way beyond petty partisan American politics. America should take a strong and bold position when horrors like this are happening. Because it can. And because it’s still ultimately a decent country with decent morals… despite what some social media commentary would have us believe.


I would normally be onboard, but what we're doing is the safe route. This will cripple the Russian military at this rate. Further escalating could mean nuclear war. Its not outside the realm of possibility considering how egotistical delusional Putin is. At that point, theres no going back. I say give the Ukrainians weapons/intel they need, combined with the sanctions would bleed Russia dry. A conventional war response from the US would terrify the Russian military, forcing them to respond with the only thing they have.
 
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MastaKiiLA

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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/na...ssian-flagship-moskva-officials-say-rcna27559

I assume no one in here has a problem with this? The war drums beat loud in here. Very nearsighted - or intentionally provocative - to be announcing our complicity like that. It's almost as if the Biden administration WANTS war (and possible nuclear war) with Russia. Go figure. What I do know is that if you polled Americans, fewer than 20% would be on-board with these types of provocations and actions. But apparently what Americans actually want doesn't matter to the powers that be - they know better than you do.
There is nothing Russia can do about this. The west has gotten more bold as the invasion drags on. We're very much aware of all NATO countries providing everything from intel to heavy weapons. And Russia's reaction is to sit there and tell us the shit sandwich tastes good, because all they can do is eat it. Fuck them, and fuck your fake poll that has no basis in reality. Quite frankly, continuing to pussyfoot and pretend that we're not helping Ukraine would be detrimental to Ukraine. The world needs to know that we have their back, and it's important that the US public is aware of our support for Ukraine. Lavrov and Putin can throw their toys all they want.

All this talk and insinuation that we're the ones poking the bear is stupid. Look at the reality of what's happening. It's Russia who poked the bear. They saw a sleeping bear cub (Ukraine) and didn't realize that mother bear (NATO) was just a few meters away. Now we're going all Revenant bear on them, only they don't have a gun or a knife. They're just going to get mauled and bled out, and it's every last bit of retribution that they deserve.
 

Bluntman

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Right here should probably be grounds for expulsion from the EU.



Yep, Viktor just said on national radio that we will veto the shit out of it. It's not like it's a surprise, we've said since the first sanctions package that oil & gas embargo is the red line.

Your liberal piece of shit EU politicians can thank us later for saving Europe from itself (again) and they can keep on the goodguy facade and acting at the same time, since someone vetoed instead of them.

Or they can independently, as nations, choose not to buy russian oil and gas. But will they? :)
 
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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/na...ssian-flagship-moskva-officials-say-rcna27559

I assume no one in here has a problem with this? The war drums beat loud in here. Very nearsighted - or intentionally provocative - to be announcing our complicity like that. It's almost as if the Biden administration WANTS war (and possible nuclear war) with Russia. Go figure. What I do know is that if you polled Americans, fewer than 20% would be on-board with these types of provocations and actions. But apparently what Americans actually want doesn't matter to the powers that be - they know better than you do.
Complicity in what? The Mosvka sank due to an accident, the US or Ukraine was not involved in this at all. The next of kin are getting letters from the Russian Navy that their sons died in an unfortunate accident so no combat death compensations will be paid out.
 

Tams

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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/na...ssian-flagship-moskva-officials-say-rcna27559

I assume no one in here has a problem with this? The war drums beat loud in here. Very nearsighted - or intentionally provocative - to be announcing our complicity like that. It's almost as if the Biden administration WANTS war (and possible nuclear war) with Russia. Go figure. What I do know is that if you polled Americans, fewer than 20% would be on-board with these types of provocations and actions. But apparently what Americans actually want doesn't matter to the powers that be - they know better than you do.
Not even going to dignify that with a proper response.

Just piss off.
 
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Lord Panda

The Sea is Always Right
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/na...ssian-flagship-moskva-officials-say-rcna27559

I assume no one in here has a problem with this? The war drums beat loud in here. Very nearsighted - or intentionally provocative - to be announcing our complicity like that. It's almost as if the Biden administration WANTS war (and possible nuclear war) with Russia. Go figure. What I do know is that if you polled Americans, fewer than 20% would be on-board with these types of provocations and actions. But apparently what Americans actually want doesn't matter to the powers that be - they know better than you do.

My problem is that the rest of the Russian Navy hasn’t joined the Moskva yet.
 

FunkMiller

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Yep, Viktor just said on national radio that we will veto the shit out of it. It's not like it's a surprise, we've said since the first sanctions package that oil & gas embargo is the red line.

Your liberal piece of shit EU politicians can thank us later for saving Europe from itself (again) and they can keep on the goodguy facade and acting at the same time, since someone vetoed instead of them.

Or they can independently, as nations, choose not to buy russian oil and gas. But will they? :)

Sure, tovarich. Keep up the good work for uncle Viktor and daddy Putin 👍
 

Kraz

Banned
This will cripple the Russian military at this rate.
One of the factors there's thinking that the Ukrainians may have been convinced away from destroying the Crimean bridge sooner.
Ukraine is now moving to the offensive and their chatter has turned back to destroying that bridge and telling all Russians to gtfo of Crimea tout de suite.
 

nemiroff

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One of the factors there's thinking that the Ukrainians may have been convinced away from destroying the Crimean bridge sooner.
Ukraine is now moving to the offensive and their chatter has turned back to destroying that bridge and telling all Russians to gtfo of Crimea tout de suite.

In that context (not meant to refute, but because it's an interesting fact) the Crimean bridge has been a relatively "popular" route for Ukrainian refugees to escape to Georgia (or via Georgia to Europe). I know because this was the safest and most practical way my mother-in-law managed to get out of Russian occupied zone in the south. I guess this route by this time could be exhausted in some ways and thus it now could be a more desirable target.

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Good luck with the HPD.
 
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E-Cat

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Your liberal piece of shit EU politicians can thank us later for saving Europe from itself (again) and they can keep on the goodguy facade and acting at the same time, since someone vetoed instead of them.
Why are you even in the EU? You don't belong with us, wouldn't you rather join your beloved Russia?
 

FunkMiller

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Dunno... I kinda feel like this is the calm before the storm. I fear Putin loses it and decides to nuke something : /

Okay, let’s interrogate this idea properly.

Nuclear warheads are big. Even the smallest ones. To transport and fit one to a projectile is not the work of a moment.

Right now, Putin is well aware that his military sites are being closely watched by satellite technology. And he can’t be 100% sure that if he calls for a nuclear attack, the west won’t see what he’s up to before he can get it launched. He will be terrified that any movement in that direction results in a cruise missile up his arse.

And Putin wants to live and stay rich more than anything.

There won’t be a nuclear attack launched by Russia.
 
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Brazen

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I find it pretty fucking shameful that so many people in the USA can‘t bring themselves to support a war effort to stop the modern day equivalent of the Nazis…

I would hope what Americans want is what the rest of us want in the west - for our governments to do all they can to punish the war atrocities being committed by Russia. This goes way beyond petty partisan American politics. America should take a strong and bold position when horrors like this are happening. Because it can. And because it’s still ultimately a decent country with decent morals… despite what some social media commentary would have us believe.

Nearly everyone hates war. Most/Some of us remember how "trusting" our government is when it comes to war, both in the past and recent it is a terrible track record. Most/Some of us are not following this as closely as needed. With that all said, I would wager the opposition to this potential war from other Americans is just an opposition to war itself and not to the atrocities being committed by Russia
 
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FunkMiller

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Nearly everyone hates war. Most/Some of us remember how "trusting" our government is when it comes to war, both in the past and recent it is a terrible track record. Most/Some of us are not following this as closely as needed. With that all said, I would wager the opposition to this potential war from other Americans is just an opposition to war itself and not to the atrocities being committed by Russia

Then it’s an extremely stupid opposition. This isn’t going to end with harsh words. It ends with as many dead Russian soldiers as possible.

If people are opposed to this conflict on the grounds of ‘all war is bad’ then they are tacitly (or perhaps not so tacitly) supportive of Putin.
 

Chittagong

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Okay, let’s interrogate this idea properly.

Nuclear warheads are big. Even the smallest ones. To transport and fit one to a projectile is not the work of a moment.

Right now, Putin is well aware that his military sites are being closely watched by satellite technology. And he can’t be 100% sure that if he calls for a nuclear attack, the west won’t see what he’s up to before he can get it launched. He will be terrified that any movement in that direction results in a cruise missile up his arse.

And Putin wants to live and stay rich more than anything.

There won’t be a nuclear attack launched by Russia.

Don’t they have subs ready to shoot nukes tho? Not that I believe he would ever do so. But just in terms of having that capability.
 

winjer

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We are doing the greatest humanitarian effort in the history of our country to help Ukranian refugees and we voted for every sanction package so far.

But I guess not wanting our country to go back to the middle ages = Russian bot. Great new cancel culture.

While helping Putin's war effort, by buying Russian oil and gas.
 
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I assume no one in here has a problem with this? The war drums beat loud in here. Very nearsighted - or intentionally provocative - to be announcing our complicity like that. It's almost as if the Biden administration WANTS war (and possible nuclear war) with Russia. Go figure. What I do know is that if you polled Americans, fewer than 20% would be on-board with these types of provocations and actions. But apparently what Americans actually want doesn't matter to the powers that be - they know better than you do.
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Tams

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Why are you even in the EU? You don't belong with us, wouldn't you rather join your beloved Russia?
Be fair. While Orby is popular in Hungary, he has taken almost complete control of the media, intimidated opponents, and rearranged the election system to favour him.

Though we do appear to have Orby Worby supporter here for some reason. I'd have though they'e prefer to cut themselves off from the rest of us and sit with Russia.
 

Ozriel

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Who’d a thunk it.
You can not like Russian invasion.
And and at the same time not endorse NATO expansion over the last few decades.

NATO ‘expansion’ comes from countries rushing to join the defensive alliance out of fear of Russia. I wonder why you don’t ask yourself why exactly all these smaller countries are so afraid of Russia.

Not really your place to ‘endorse’ alliance decisions made by sovereign nations.
 

Bluntman

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While helping Putin's war effort, by buying Russian oil and gas.

Yes, Hungarys little gas and oil money is keeping Putins campaign rolling :messenger_tears_of_joy::messenger_tears_of_joy::messenger_tears_of_joy:

I'm going to the petrol station later today to fill up directly with some Ukrainian blood I guess.

While I see the western liberal propaganda working painting us as some big friend of Putin, please remind me who were the biggest trade partners of Russia in recent years in Europe again?

Also please remind me of which European country has a literal Russian agent sitting in their parlament and whose chancellor is sitting in Gazproms board of directors?
 
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