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Russia begins Invasion of Ukraine

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FunkMiller

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The last few weeks have been depressing to follow. Very little good news and mostly bad news, especially in the east. The only thing thats somewhat hopeful is the Kherson counteroffensive, but even then when you look at the maps you realize that its been very limited in scope so far and only a small chunk of territory has been taken back.

Don’t get too despondent. Every chance things are quite while a major counter offensive is being planned. Ukraine have made tactical withdrawals recently.
 

Forsete

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Sweden is finally sending more weapons.

Robot 17 - Anti-ship missile with a range of 8 km (Bofors re-designed the AGM-117 Hellfire for use with amphibious units)
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Automatgevär 90 - AKA Barrett M82 12.7 mm automatic rifle
An additional 5000 anti-armour weapons - Pansarskott m/86, AKA Bofors AT4
 

TwinB242

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So here's a piece of good news I stumbled on regarding Severodonetsk. I looked at the Deep State Map site today and a significant chunk of the city is no longer showing as being under Russian control like it was the day before. It seems that Ukraine counterattacked and took back a big portion of it back. So its probably going to remain contested for a while, which will probably be a bad thing for Russia considering how many resources they're using up (soldiers & equipment) on trying to capture it.
 
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Tams

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Seems the MRLS will be too late to save Sverodonetsk 😕
Yeah well, it's not like Ukraine have been screaming for more and better weapons for months now or anything...

Thankfully, Sverodonetsk is a good stalling point but just that. Ukraine have good defenses further back to fall back to.
 

akimbo009

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Yeah well, it's not like Ukraine have been screaming for more and better weapons for months now or anything...

Thankfully, Sverodonetsk is a good stalling point but just that. Ukraine have good defenses further back to fall back to.

They don't need to hold Sverodonetsk. They just need to make Russia bleed. Folks need to remember, eventually even the best rooted Russian defense will lose on range with the new gear the west is providing. It's just a matter of time of them stopping and Ukraine wheeling in their death.

this is brilliant i think the grenade actually lands on his head lolz and another lands in front of the cunts setting up a picnic table NSFW btw but pure comedy gold


Why is Russia so bad at this. I mean, so fucking bad. Even well motivated idiot Afghans and Iraqis weren't this bad... And they got slaughtered in normal battle engagements. Russia has walks around with their dicks out and pants down.
 

RJMacready73

Simps for Amouranth
Yeah well, it's not like Ukraine have been screaming for more and better weapons for months now or anything...

Thankfully, Sverodonetsk is a good stalling point but just that. Ukraine have good defenses further back to fall back to.
It's not like ordering from Amazon chap, I imagine these things have to go through quite a number of channels to get to there eventual locations plus the whole recommissioning, training, safe transport to the battlefront so they don't get taken out by Russia, it takes weeks
 

Tumle

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They don't need to hold Sverodonetsk. They just need to make Russia bleed. Folks need to remember, eventually even the best rooted Russian defense will lose on range with the new gear the west is providing. It's just a matter of time of them stopping and Ukraine wheeling in their death.



Why is Russia so bad at this. I mean, so fucking bad. Even well motivated idiot Afghans and Iraqis weren't this bad... And they got slaughtered in normal battle engagements. Russia has walks around with their dicks out and pants down.
ever played against Russians in an Online game?
they usually get slaughtered there too, unless they are cheating.. they almost never follow the Meta :p
 

Tams

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It's not like ordering from Amazon chap, I imagine these things have to go through quite a number of channels to get to there eventual locations plus the whole recommissioning, training, safe transport to the battlefront so they don't get taken out by Russia, it takes weeks
As I said, *months*. As you started with the snark, I'll return it is multiple weeks. Since then Russia has tried and failed to take the capital, but come very close.

The US, UK, Baltic countries, Sweden, Netherlands, etc. started off great supplying Ukraine, but there has been hesitation over sending even more advanced and complex weapons, some for good reason. Thankfully that hesitation has subsided.

It doesn't help that France and Germany have been very hesitant to send any significant help until recently.
 

Bitmap Frogs

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As I said, *months*. As you started with the snark, I'll return it is multiple weeks. Since then Russia has tried and failed to take the capital, but come very close.

The US, UK, Baltic countries, Sweden, Netherlands, etc. started off great supplying Ukraine, but there has been hesitation over sending even more advanced and complex weapons, some for good reason. Thankfully that hesitation has subsided.

It doesn't help that France and Germany have been very hesitant to send any significant help until recently.

Fuck these two. What France and Germany are doing is vile.
 

RJMacready73

Simps for Amouranth
As I said, *months*. As you started with the snark, I'll return it is multiple weeks. Since then Russia has tried and failed to take the capital, but come very close.

The US, UK, Baltic countries, Sweden, Netherlands, etc. started off great supplying Ukraine, but there has been hesitation over sending even more advanced and complex weapons, some for good reason. Thankfully that hesitation has subsided.

It doesn't help that France and Germany have been very hesitant to send any significant help until recently.
I was hardly being snarky lad but apologies if it came across like that. They've all been hesitant sending the good stuff cause they need to assess how Ukraine is doing Vs how Russia is doing, they can't risk this sort of weaponry falling into the hands of Russia, remember the west is militarily and technologically light years ahead of Russia and you don't want your best gear falling into the enemies hands.

Now that Ukraine has shown themselves to be a competent and effective military with the proper command and control apparatus in place and can hold off and repel the Russians we can now start sending through the good stuff which will certainly help turn the tide in certain places
 

Bitmap Frogs

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Collective map of the situation as of today - it's a bunch of people who collaborate and use several data sources including satellite data. You can trust it, or not.
 
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Interesting if Russia’s plan is to divide the west over the cost of the war…by committing more and more atrocities that are basically giving us the green light to keep sending better weapon systems to fight them. But in the long run, it could work. Give the US a couple years and he might have a buddy in the White House.
 

FunkMiller

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Interesting if Russia’s plan is to divide the west over the cost of the war…by committing more and more atrocities that are basically giving us the green light to keep sending better weapon systems to fight them. But in the long run, it could work. Give the US a couple years and he might have a buddy in the White House.


I’d like to think Americans wouldn’t put short term, domestic reasons to vote for somebody over long term and far more important reasons. I’d like to think that.

I certainly would imagine NATO will want this thing wrapped up prior to the end of 2024. regardless of who gets in, it’ll be another shitshow that Putin could take advantage of.
 
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TwinB242

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French civilian was just killed. This follows a French journalist who was killed just a few days ago.

Can't wait for Macron's response.....or lack of response I should say.
 
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Kraz

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I’d like to think Americans wouldn’t put short term, domestic reasons to vote for somebody over long term and far more important reasons. I’d like to think that.

I certainly would imagine NATO will want this thing wrapped up prior to the end of 2024. regardless of who gets in, it’ll be another shitshow that Putin could take advantage of.
America helping wrap up the conflict by US midterms 2022 seems better for the incumbent since there doesn't seem to be much of a benefit intentionally drawing it out.
Gratifying at home and abroad.
Reconstruction in Ukraine will look very good going into 2024.
 

Bitmap Frogs

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I still maintain that Russia's plan took for done that zelensky and the rest of the government would bail out. Boy, were they wrong. I do wonder if what happened at snake island with the soldiers blowing off the warship had an effect... you know galvanizing certain spirit of resistance?
 


Interesting if Russia’s plan is to divide the west over the cost of the war…by committing more and more atrocities that are basically giving us the green light to keep sending better weapon systems to fight them. But in the long run, it could work. Give the US a couple years and he might have a buddy in the White House.

That's the biggest risk here for Ukraine. If Putin can sit this out for a couple years, a support fatigue could set in in the west. While most people are still supportive, at some point they're gonna question whether they want to send even more billions of dollars to Ukraine, especially if the economy significantly contracts soon, as predicted by many experts. Ukraine has to start a counter-offensive and drive the Russians out rather sooner than later.
 

Alx

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French civilian was just killed. This follows a French journalist who was killed just a few days ago.

Can't wait for Macron's response.....or lack of response I should say.
Not exactly a civilian, it’s a man who joined the Ukrainian Foreign Legion. Officially the government cannot endorse such initiatives without being considered belligerents.
 

Wildebeest

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I still maintain that Russia's plan took for done that zelensky and the rest of the government would bail out. Boy, were they wrong. I do wonder if what happened at snake island with the soldiers blowing off the warship had an effect... you know galvanizing certain spirit of resistance?
I believe they told their most trusted stormtroopers in Wagner to take him out, but they failed. If so, what happens when you believe in those myths about Nazi super men.
 

Bitmap Frogs

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Intense fire reported near Hlyboke. That's up north by Kharkiv. It appears the ukranians are attempting to split the streak of land by the border still controlled by the orcs.
 

RJMacready73

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That's the biggest risk here for Ukraine. If Putin can sit this out for a couple years, a support fatigue could set in in the west. While most people are still supportive, at some point they're gonna question whether they want to send even more billions of dollars to Ukraine, especially if the economy significantly contracts soon, as predicted by many experts. Ukraine has to start a counter-offensive and drive the Russians out rather sooner than later.
Collectively the west can outspend Russia ten times over, hell most of the big countries that make up the EU have a bigger economy than Russia and well America is in a league all of its own. Sure the public may grow tired of a protractive war but the governments won't, this is a perfect storm of events that will allow the west to completely cripple Russia both economically and reduce its worldwide influence and all without losing a single soldier.

They'll keep the weapons flowing and Ukraine unfortunately will supply the brave men and women to use them. Russia has its back to the wall and yes it can call up more reserves but how do you think those Russians are gonna feel getting forced to go fight a war they don't want with neither the proper training and going up against modern 21st century weapons with increasingly outdated armour and ffs bolt action rifles? That could cause a massive internal revolt which he won't want and if he thinks he can ground down the west when they smell blood he's even more of an idiot than we already knew.

This is a clusterfuck on an unimaginable scale, a proper WTF moment in history that'll be discussed for ages, he singlehandedly destroyed Russia, it's army's reputation, it's economy and it's world standing, I don't think anyone in history has made such a blunder except maybe Hitler when he opened a 2nd front
 

FunkMiller

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Collectively the west can outspend Russia ten times over, hell most of the big countries that make up the EU have a bigger economy than Russia and well America is in a league all of its own. Sure the public may grow tired of a protractive war but the governments won't, this is a perfect storm of events that will allow the west to completely cripple Russia both economically and reduce its worldwide influence and all without losing a single soldier.

They'll keep the weapons flowing and Ukraine unfortunately will supply the brave men and women to use them. Russia has its back to the wall and yes it can call up more reserves but how do you think those Russians are gonna feel getting forced to go fight a war they don't want with neither the proper training and going up against modern 21st century weapons with increasingly outdated armour and ffs bolt action rifles? That could cause a massive internal revolt which he won't want and if he thinks he can ground down the west when they smell blood he's even more of an idiot than we already knew.

This is a clusterfuck on an unimaginable scale, a proper WTF moment in history that'll be discussed for ages, he singlehandedly destroyed Russia, it's army's reputation, it's economy and it's world standing, I don't think anyone in history has made such a blunder except maybe Hitler when he opened a 2nd front

Agree with all of this. Putting aside the moral aspects of this war for a moment, it's very easy to see what kind of benefit the conflict brings to the west over the long term.

The longer it goes on, the better for the west, because Putin will bleed out. Money, men, equipment. His stupidity, hubris and ego won't allow him to back down. America sees a situation where it can weaken one of its biggest enemies very easily.
 

Tams

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Yes, not only is Ukraine winning essential to the safety of democracy as a form of governance, the West absolutely smell blood coming from their rival. Russia having a shit economy was acceptably weak, but still a concern. Ideally they'd have joined the West, but that isn't what happened.

Now there's the chance to take Russia as a foe down permanently. There's no way we turn our backs on that opportunity.
 

RJMacready73

Simps for Amouranth
Agree with all of this. Putting aside the moral aspects of this war for a moment, it's very easy to see what kind of benefit the conflict brings to the west over the long term.

The longer it goes on, the better for the west, because Putin will bleed out. Money, men, equipment. His stupidity, hubris and ego won't allow him to back down. America sees a situation where it can weaken one of its biggest enemies very easily.
For the West and especially America, it's removing what used to be a significant player on the worldstage allowing America to focus on the real geopolitical threat.. China, with a severely weakened Russia and it'll take years to recover if it doesn't splinter or radically change, the EU will easily be able to contain it/control it leaving the US to firmly fix it eyes on the Pacific...

China must be absolutely ragin over Putin's idiocy, they basically thought they could enter into a fight with the big yank at the bar and when China looked round for his support Russia was pissing himself asleep in the corner with an empty bottle of cheap vodka..

Our gas and energy prices are going through the roof at the moment and I donate daily to Ukraine through simply rounding up my daily purchases in Tesco and other contributions, I am more than happy to help in some small way and take the hit to my finances if it means bating those cunt Russians into submission and breaking there spirit. That country needs to implode and rebuild itself as a proper democracy and stop acting the dick, I'd really love to see the countries that border it to start taking bites out of it
 

TwinB242

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Not exactly a civilian, it’s a man who joined the Ukrainian Foreign Legion. Officially the government cannot endorse such initiatives without being considered belligerents.

Fair enough, the Kyiv Independent implied that he was just a regular civilian.
 
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