Support NeoGAF

[Lasha]

I'm sharing more details to help you understand. The Larsi crossing is basically always open because it's a major transport route that Russia uses to supply Armenia with goods. Many Ukrainians are crossing that border into Georgia (along with way too many Russians) because of the restrictions on international flights originating from Russia. Georgia is one of the cleanest ways out of Russia for most people since basically anybody gets a 365 day visa on arrival.

 

[akimbo009]

The boys are in Kherson...

 

[funkygunther]

 

[sobaka770]

Seems like that counteroffensive was fake af. Nothing in the news in the morning but talk about how it was all a reconnaissance. Heavy losses as well.

It did get heated though. Maybe a real one in coming weeks - I don't think Ukraine has much choice but to act before referendums.

 

[nemiroff]

Seems like that counteroffensive was fake af. Nothing in the news in the morning but talk about how it was all a reconnaissance. Heavy losses as well.

It did get heated though. Maybe a real one in coming weeks - I don't think Ukraine has much choice but to act before referendums.

 

[Tumle]

Seems like that counteroffensive was fake af. Nothing in the news in the morning but talk about how it was all a reconnaissance. Heavy losses as well.

It did get heated though. Maybe a real one in coming weeks - I don't think Ukraine has much choice but to act before referendums.

it's in the news here.. where do you live?

aah i see you get your news from Russian state media, who reported that it failed and that Ukraine suffered heavy losses..
Russia are the only ones reporting that..

 

[nemiroff]

it's in the news here.. where do you live?

His name is sobaka, it's ruzzian for dog, where do you think he's getting his sources from..

Edit: And I'm not saying I know exactly what's going on either. Yesterday afternoon all major news outlets reported about an offensive, and even some ruzzian sources. But it seems there's some lack of updates this morning.

Edit 2: Maybe there's a speck of truth in sobaka passive agressive bs afterall. I just saw some unverified reports about heavy ruzzian losses (~500) in Donetsk. So Kherson might've been a diversion, but again: IDK, it's completely unverified.

 

[Tumle]

His name is sobaka, it's ruzzian for dog, where do you think he's getting his sources from..

Edit: And I'm not saying I know exactly what's going on either. Yesterday afternoon all major news outlets reported about an offensive, and even some ruzzian sources. But it seems there's some lack of updates this morning.

Edit 2: Maybe there's a speck of truth in sobaka passive agressive bs afterall. I just saw some unverified reports about heavy ruzzian losses (~500) in Donetsk. So Kherson might've been a diversion, but again: IDK, it's completely unverified.

yea i think we need to wait for later today to have a clear picture.

 

[M1chl]

This is probably why we know fuck all.

 

[sobaka770]

I actually mostly read Ukrainian telegram and Al Jazeera.
Then I look at RIA and CNN for laughs cause it's diametrically opposite and probably all fake or at least unverifiable. I mean:

RIA:
Just now updated numbers from Russian command: 1200 KILLED, 48 tanks, 46 transports, 37 other vehicles destroyed.
(I usually divide the military claims from both sides by a factor of like 2, but these are still insane claims)

CNN:
Ukraine retakes 4 villages in Kherson counteroffensive.
Zelenskiy promises to chase Russian soldiers to the border.

The rhetoric is heated, while situation on the ground is deteriorating.
Over the next week or two I expect major escalation.

 

[Ozriel]

I actually mostly read Ukrainian telegram and Al Jazeera.
Then I look at RIA and CNN for laughs cause it's diametrically opposite and probably all fake or at least unverifiable. I mean:

RIA:
Just now updated numbers from Russian command: 1200 KILLED, 48 tanks, 46 transports, 37 other vehicles destroyed.
(I usually divide the military claims from both sides by a factor of like 2, but these are still insane claims)

CNN:
Ukraine retakes 4 villages in Kherson counteroffensive.
Zelenskiy promises to chase Russian soldiers to the border.

The rhetoric is heated, while situation on the ground is deteriorating.
Over the next week or two I expect major escalation.

Ukrainian telegram and Al Jazeera aren’t reporting heavy losses for Ukraine. So
You’re still yet to explain what you meant that “it’s all over the news that there are heavy losses”

 

[sinnergy]

This is probably why we know fuck all.

That’s what’s needed .. why would you tell anyone?? You want to go dark and execute.

 

[Lasha]

I actually mostly read Ukrainian telegram and Al Jazeera.
Then I look at RIA and CNN for laughs cause it's diametrically opposite and probably all fake or at least unverifiable. I mean:

RIA:
Just now updated numbers from Russian command: 1200 KILLED, 48 tanks, 46 transports, 37 other vehicles destroyed.
(I usually divide the military claims from both sides by a factor of like 2, but these are still insane claims)

CNN:
Ukraine retakes 4 villages in Kherson counteroffensive.
Zelenskiy promises to chase Russian soldiers to the border.

The rhetoric is heated, while situation on the ground is deteriorating.
Over the next week or two I expect major escalation.

Getting you to equate RIA to CNN is precisely Russia's intention. How can you believe anything if everything is false? Textbook disinformation.

 

[ManaByte]

Today is August 30. 2022. Fuck Putin.

 

[Lukaku's First Touch]

Getting you to equate RIA to CNN is precisely Russia's intention. How can you believe anything if everything is false? Textbook disinformation.

Dumb people's minds who are living a shite life are easely influenced

 

[sobaka770]

Getting you to equate RIA to CNN is precisely Russia's intention. How can you believe anything if everything is false? Textbook disinformation.

All media is biased. You have to just recognise that RIA is posing for Russian internal audience as Russian government controlled entity and CNN - for the West as US-controlled entity. It's all there is. Both positions in this war are biased and will therefore omit information or spin it in the "correct" direction to shift opinion. However that doesn't mean that either RIA or CNN will always blatantly lie - that's too obvious. Both sites just avoid discussing losses, put out information from "government" sources - who are there to lie and "predict" - and mostly talk about inflated chances of "winning".

And in case of CNN specifically, didn't the last election, Biden laptop and Cuomo scandal do more damage to the credibility of the institution than any Russian involvement possibly could? At least in case of RIA and FOX News you know exactly what you're getting into.

 

[akimbo009]

All media is biased. You have to just recognise that RIA is posing for Russian internal audience as Russian government controlled entity and CNN - for the West as US-controlled entity. It's all there is. Both positions in this war are biased and will therefore omit information or spin it in the "correct" direction to shift opinion. However that doesn't mean that either RIA or CNN will always blatantly lie - that's too obvious. Both sites just avoid discussing losses, put out information from "government" sources - who are there to lie and "predict" - and mostly talk about inflated chances of "winning".

And in case of CNN specifically, didn't the last election, Biden laptop and Cuomo scandal do more damage to the credibility of the institution than any Russian involvement possibly could? At least in case of RIA and FOX News you know exactly what you're getting into.

Ugh, can we not go down this path?

 

[Lasha]

All media is biased. You have to just recognise that RIA is posing for Russian internal audience as Russian government controlled entity and CNN - for the West as US-controlled entity. It's all there is. Both positions in this war are biased and will therefore omit information or spin it in the "correct" direction to shift opinion. However that doesn't mean that either RIA or CNN will always blatantly lie - that's too obvious. Both sites just avoid discussing losses, put out information from "government" sources - who are there to lie and "predict" - and mostly talk about inflated chances of "winning".

And in case of CNN specifically, didn't the last election, Biden laptop and Cuomo scandal do more damage to the credibility of the institution than any Russian involvement possibly could? At least in case of RIA and FOX News you know exactly what you're getting into.

CNN is a left leaning news agency which is known for factual reporting. Fox news is a right leaning news agency which used to be incredibly factual but has slipped slightly lately. Both are privately owned and reporting in a country with no restrictions on coverage. RIA a state owned news agency descended from a soviet propaganda arm which operates in an environment where many critical topics are illegal to discuss. There is no equivalency. RIA will never have factual reporting about any topic which makes Russia look bad. CNN and Fox will have some political bias in their presentation but both will provide mostly factual accounts of news.

No state owned Russian media can be taken as accurate because the Russian government has a direct interest in pushing narratives to pacify its populace.

 

[Kraz]

This is probably why we know fuck all.

The thread has been noticeably quieter over the last few weeks as the counter-offensive was taking shape. It seemed most everyone with perceptive takes here were already being conscientiously silent.

With the info gathered there's been many things to say regarding potential strategic plans, but holding back is the thing to do since don't want the common orc lurking about to know.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

All media is biased. You have to just recognise that RIA is posing for Russian internal audience as Russian government controlled entity and CNN - for the West as US-controlled entity. It's all there is. Both positions in this war are biased and will therefore omit information or spin it in the "correct" direction to shift opinion. However that doesn't mean that either RIA or CNN will always blatantly lie - that's too obvious. Both sites just avoid discussing losses, put out information from "government" sources - who are there to lie and "predict" - and mostly talk about inflated chances of "winning".

And in case of CNN specifically, didn't the last election, Biden laptop and Cuomo scandal do more damage to the credibility of the institution than any Russian involvement possibly could? At least in case of RIA and FOX News you know exactly what you're getting into.

You cannot compare a media source from a country where people get jailed for having non-government approved opinions with a media source from a country with freedom of expression.

Propaganda and news are not always the same, a distinction that is hard to understand for russians due to your history, where for the most part the news were just the voice of the government (and still is, sadly).

 

[RJMacready73]

Seems like that counteroffensive was fake af. Nothing in the news in the morning but talk about how it was all a reconnaissance. Heavy losses as well.

It did get heated though. Maybe a real one in coming weeks - I don't think Ukraine has much choice but to act before referendums.

in all seriousness

All media is biased. You have to just recognise that RIA is posing for Russian internal audience as Russian government controlled entity and CNN - for the West as US-controlled entity. It's all there is. Both positions in this war are biased and will therefore omit information or spin it in the "correct" direction to shift opinion. However that doesn't mean that either RIA or CNN will always blatantly lie - that's too obvious. Both sites just avoid discussing losses, put out information from "government" sources - who are there to lie and "predict" - and mostly talk about inflated chances of "winning".

And in case of CNN specifically, didn't the last election, Biden laptop and Cuomo scandal do more damage to the credibility of the institution than any Russian involvement possibly could? At least in case of RIA and FOX News you know exactly what you're getting into.

Are you fucking soft in the head?

 

[nemiroff]

All media is biased. You have to just recognise that RIA is posing for Russian internal audience as Russian government controlled entity and CNN - for the West as US-controlled entity. It's all there is. Both positions in this war are biased and will therefore omit information or spin it in the "correct" direction to shift opinion. However that doesn't mean that either RIA or CNN will always blatantly lie - that's too obvious. Both sites just avoid discussing losses, put out information from "government" sources - who are there to lie and "predict" - and mostly talk about inflated chances of "winning".

And in case of CNN specifically, didn't the last election, Biden laptop and Cuomo scandal do more damage to the credibility of the institution than any Russian involvement possibly could? At least in case of RIA and FOX News you know exactly what you're getting into.

Don't fucking try to both sides this one, and don't regurgitate the faux pas attempt at "balance", that lie is not worth shit here. And again for the millionth time; Most of us have and will easily criticize western governments and media when they fuck up. But this is not the place.

Let me state the painfully obvious once and for all: There's a clear good side and an evil side in this war, it almost couldn't get any clearer. We're not stupid, we understand that there's propaganda on either side. All we're saying is at one side there's propaganda to boost morale and support to a sovereign country with innocent civilians that are and have been encroached, invaded, murdered, raped and tortured. And on the other side there's evil lying cynical and calculated propaganda from Satan himself. Fuck comparing sides in this case, we've chosen to support Ukraine, and this thread has a part hidden function so-to-speak to (in addition to news worthy events) boost that cause and support people that have been negatively affected by this insane meaningless war. Take it or leave it.

 

[RJMacready73]

Don't fucking try to both sides this one, and don't regurgitate the faux pas attempt at "balance", that lie is not worth shit here. And again for the millionth time; Most of us have and will easily criticize western governments and media when they fuck up. But this is not the place.

Let me state the painfully obvious once and for all: There's a clear good side and an evil side in this war, it almost couldn't get any clearer. We're not stupid, we understand that there's propaganda on either side. All we're saying is at one side there's propaganda to boost morale and support to a sovereign country with innocent civilians that are and have been encroached, invaded, murdered, raped and tortured. And on the other side there's evil lying cynical and calculated propaganda from Satan himself. Fuck comparing sides in this case, we've chosen to support Ukraine, and this thread has a part hidden function so-to-speak to boost that cause and support people that have been negatively affected by this insane meaningless war. Take it or leave it.

hes just a typical twat i wouldnt bother trying to covince a Nazi hes not a fucking Nazi

 

[sinnergy]

The thread has been noticeably quieter over the last few weeks as the counter-offensive was taking shape. It seemed most everyone with perceptive takes here were already being conscientiously silent.

With the info gathered there's been many things to say regarding potential strategic plans, but holding back is the thing to do since don't want the common orc lurking about to know.

Gremlins are real!

 

[nemiroff]

Good news everyone. Ruzzia spent $6.5 million worth of cruise missiles to take out 10 wooden HIMARS

Ukraine deceived Russians. They’re hitting wooden HIMARS with $6.5 million Calibers, - Washington Post

The Ukrainian military has created a number of wooden models of American HIMARS missile systems. The Russians shoot at them with Calibers, wasting valuable ammunition. The Washington Post writes about it, Censor.NET reports. The publication refers to the words of an unnamed Ukrainian official...

censor.net

 

[M1chl]

Defense minister of Ukraine



Memes > War

 

[DaleinCalgary]

Are you fucking soft in the head?

Yes he is

 

[Resident_UA]

Comparing state ran propaganda and CNN? Are we for real here?

 

[kruis]

Just wondering ... Why was a thread on the death of Mikhail Gorbachev closed but can this thread go on for months? If the death of the man whose policy of Perestroika liberated all of Eastern Europe is too political, than a discussion of the war between Russia and Ukraine is also off limits.

 

[Deleted member 1159]

Just wondering ... Why was a thread on the death of Mikhail Gorbachev closed but can this thread go on for months? If the death of the man whose policy of Perestroika liberated all of Eastern Europe is too political, than a discussion of the war between Russia and Ukraine is also off limits.

PM a mod or take it to meta, not the thread for this

 

[Wildebeest]

The al jazeera article I read doesn't tell you much of anything. They give the Ukrainian statements, the Russian responses, then let you decide yourself which makes more sense. Which is probably the Ukrainian version, unless you have some sort of problem not being able to understand that people who always lie all the time without error might be lying.

 

[Ironbunny]

It really seems that the HIMAR and AGM-88 HARM missiles have somewhat crippled the ruZZian anti-air. Will be interesting to hear how widely UA Air force have been taking part in these Kherson attacks. US has an abundance of HARM missiles to send from so hoping these oldies work even for the newer ruZZian SAMS. Being a Z fascist radar operator just became much less safe.

 

[DaleinCalgary]

Just wondering ... Why was a thread on the death of Mikhail Gorbachev closed but can this thread go on for months? If the death of the man whose policy of Perestroika liberated all of Eastern Europe is too political, than a discussion of the war between Russia and Ukraine is also off limits.

This isn't a political thread, it's a means by which 99% of us on this site can discuss how much we hate Putin and Russia for being complete dickheads.

 

[Lasha]

What is political about Russia's invasion? There is no grey area: Russia doesn't respect the autonomy of its neighbors and continues to harass them. Transnistria, Karabakh, Crimea, Donbass, Abkhazia, Tskhinvali Region, and now the rest of Ukraine are all symptoms of the same cancer.

Sucks about Gorbachev though. It's wild to think we are coming up on several generations who didn't have to live under the yoke of the USSR. Explaining the Soviet union to my kids sounds like a fantasy story.

 

[Ironbunny]

This reddit comment summs it up

"Ukraine blows the fuck outa ammo dumps... while russia shoots multi million dollar missles at residential neighborhoods"

 

[Ironbunny]

 

[akimbo009]

Just wondering ... Why was a thread on the death of Mikhail Gorbachev closed but can this thread go on for months? If the death of the man whose policy of Perestroika liberated all of Eastern Europe is too political, than a discussion of the war between Russia and Ukraine is also off limits.

My dick is in Putin's ass. Does that bother you?

This reddit comment summs it up

"Ukraine blows the fuck outa ammo dumps... while russia shoots multi million dollar missles at residential neighborhoods"

What is this guy railing on about? I love it... That ending is *chefskiss*. I don't like wishing for injury or death - but these fuckers are getting it - and I love I may have paid a little bit of my taxes to make it happening - can't help it, it feels so justified.

Itshappening.gif

 

[Tams]

The thread has been noticeably quieter over the last few weeks as the counter-offensive was taking shape. It seemed most everyone with perceptive takes here were already being conscientiously silent.

With the info gathered there's been many things to say regarding potential strategic plans, but holding back is the thing to do since don't want the common orc lurking about to know.

Oh come on. No one was learning jack shit here. We're just reposting stuff that's from other sources (often themselves often second or third-hand) and our opinions.

To be fair, the quite a few of the 'OSINT' communities have been the same, if not bad. I was in the Discord of one and there was a user who was certain Kyiv would fall and almost everyone backed him up.

Now, some of those communities might have people with something pertinent to share, though yes, they probably are being cautious.

tl;dr: we're not important and a lot of the 'OSINT' stuff (that we hear about) is people trying to look clever.

 

[NoLootBoxDev]

Fuck them all, and Putler!!!

 

[Ironbunny]

My dick is in Putin's ass. Does that bother you?



What is this guy railing on about? I love it... That ending is *chefskiss*. I don't like wishing for injury or death - but these fuckers are getting it - and I love I may have paid a little bit of my taxes to make it happening - can't help it, it feels so justified.

Itshappening.gif

No clue but if i'd have to guess some strong words. :S

 

[Tams]

Fuck them all, and Putler!!!

Hopefully no innocent Ukrainian staff died or were injured.

 

[Kraz]

Oh come on. No one was learning jack shit here. We're just reposting stuff that's from other sources (often themselves often second or third-hand) and our opinions.

To be fair, the quite a few of the 'OSINT' communities have been the same, if not bad. I was in the Discord of one and there was a user who was certain Kyiv would fall and almost everyone backed him up.

Now, some of those communities might have people with something pertinent to share, though yes, they probably are being cautious.

tl;dr: we're not important and a lot of the 'OSINT' stuff (that we hear about) is people trying to look clever.

While general discussion is not threatening to any specific friendly location in the field, any informed feedback on collated data regarding the strategic plan can be helpful to enemy assessments. Even boosting analysts with good insight, who may have been overlooked or written off by the enemy, is not worth the risk of giving the enemy another opportunity to realize that info is good and passing it along.

Friendlies get insight even from the orc muttering their boasts and lies in many places.

 

[Kraz]

There had to be a few here that thought some of those reports of destroyed himars were destroyed decoys and didn't say anything.

 

[Kraz]

Personnel:APV ratio is over 11:1 now. Increasing about .1 a day in that last few days.
For months it was hovering at 10:1, then in the last week or so the increase has been accelerating.

Russian tank losses appear poised to reach 2000 before their personnel losses reach 50000.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

Personnel:APV ratio is over 11:1 now. Increasing about .1 a day in that last few days.
For months it was hovering at 10:1, then in the last week or so the increase has been accelerating.

Russian tank losses appear poised to reach 2000 before their personnel losses reach 50000.

It's estimated mordor had about 3000 working tanks before the invasion... it's amazing seeing that they have whelped 2/3 of that.

Also ironically russian weapon manufacturing relied a lot on german and ukrainian expertise for critical parts, so it's going to be awhile until they figure how to make it themselves...

 

[nemiroff]

There had to be a few here that thought some of those reports of destroyed himars were destroyed decoys and didn't say anything.

Yeah. But then mainstream media picked it up (I wish they didn't). No point in keeping quiet after that.

 

[BadBurger]

I'm not sure how that makes sense. If they said we will switch you to renewables but it will cost more I can see that, but why would they charge you more for using conventional means. It's their power just charge less from its pool.

I'm no expert on energy and the associated policies, but I am guessing that it revolves around the way that much is left up to each state within the US regarding to energy, and that includes how each state stores energy and negotiates their agreements and contracts with adjacent states within their immediate grid.

All I know is that in my state, as of this moment, switching to renewables is cheaper. And the power company and our local politicians are promising that it will only get cheaper as we move farther away from fossil fuels.

And this is good news for the West if more states can emulate us. We can collectively distance ourselves from Russia more and more.

 

[Tams]

There had to be a few here that thought some of those reports of destroyed himars were destroyed decoys and didn't say anything.

You are way overegging that importance of here. This is Neogaf in 2022.

Anyone and their dog could have hypothesised that. It's nothing new. Decoys have been used for millennia. Even Russia are using them, as shoddy as they are with them.

 

[sinnergy]

It's estimated mordor had about 3000 working tanks before the invasion... it's amazing seeing that they have whelped 2/3 of that.

Also ironically russian weapon manufacturing relied a lot on german and ukrainian expertise for critical parts, so it's going to be awhile until they figure how to make it themselves...

It takes time to make good weapons with Gameboy grade components, steep learning curve

 

[Deleted member 1159]

Great Putin will conquer Kyiv in a week!



Ah, well, nevertheless…