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Russia begins Invasion of Ukraine

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Putin shuts off EU’s Nord Stream gas supply​

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Russian energy company Gazprom has "fully shut down" the Nord Stream gas pipeline to Germany.​


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IDKFA

I am Become Bilbo Baggins

It's true and it'll have huge consequences in Europe. The cost of energy is already high. I can't speak for the cost in other countries, but in the UK the typical energy bill will shoot to £3,549 per year in October. That's an insane cost that will break most households, but then the cost could double again in Spring. I assume a lot of other European countries will suffer in the winter, especially Germany.

Russia deny this was done for political reasons and are blaming this on a oil leak, but everyone knows that's a load of bull shit. Fuck Putin.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62766867
 

sinnergy

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It's true and it'll have huge consequences in Europe. The cost of energy is already high. I can't speak for the cost in other countries, but in the UK the typical energy bill will shoot to £3,549 per year in October. That's an insane cost that will break most households, but then the cost could double again in Spring. I assume a lot of other European countries will suffer in the winter, especially Germany.

Russia deny this was done for political reasons and are blaming this on a oil leak, but everyone knows that's a load of bull shit. Fuck Putin.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62766867
well change was much needed how we handle energy, to bad it’s Putin forcing us and we will pay the price but at least there will be innovation in the energy sector, otherwise we wouldn’t, we humans are lazy like that ..
 
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Tams

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It's true and it'll have huge consequences in Europe. The cost of energy is already high. I can't speak for the cost in other countries, but in the UK the typical energy bill will shoot to £3,549 per year in October. That's an insane cost that will break most households, but then the cost could double again in Spring. I assume a lot of other European countries will suffer in the winter, especially Germany.

Russia deny this was done for political reasons and are blaming this on a oil leak, but everyone knows that's a load of bull shit. Fuck Putin.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62766867
All the more reason for defeating Putin and his cronies.

It needs to be made clear that if we suffer enough, that our own armies will rain down on Russia until there is nothing left.
 

IDKFA

I am Become Bilbo Baggins
All the more reason for defeating Putin and his cronies.

It needs to be made clear that if we suffer enough, that our own armies will rain down on Russia until there is nothing left.

Are you suggesting the west goes into a state of total war and invades Russia?
 

Tams

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Are you suggesting the west goes into a state of total war and invades Russia?
If the energy crisis gets severe enough this winter, we should absolutely make sounds towards that, yes. It'd be an existential crisis at that point. Putin needs to know that there will be consequences for his actions.

To be clear, I don't think it will get that bad. I think Europe will tolerate a cold winter (perhaps it'll be mild - due to climate change, but still) and then in the spring the Ukrainians will drive the Russians back. How it ends on the Russian side I do not know.
 
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tommolb

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Are you suggesting the west goes into a state of total war and invades Russia?
Total war is the next (il)logical step. Russia has already declared war on the West and the West has already declared war on Russia. The only thing that hasn't happen is armies & tanks meeting on a battlefield, sea battles and bombs and missiles flying through the air. Instead we are in economic war with Russia and cyber warfare.
 

sinnergy

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Total war is the next (il)logical step. Russia has already declared war on the West and the West has already declared war on Russia. The only thing that hasn't happen is armies & tanks meeting on a battlefield, sea battles and bombs and missiles flying through the air. Instead we are in economic war with Russia and cyber warfare.
Well wars typically build up a couple of years , 3 - 4, that’s what history teaches us .. so we have a couple of years to prepare. Sad thing is , I this day and age it shouldn’t be needed.
 

OZ9000

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Patrick S.

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This is going to have huge ramifications in Europe.

Energy bills have already doubled in the UK.

Fuck the EU. I don't really give a fuck anymore. Negotiate a deal with Russia and get this sorted out.
You are asking another people to give up their country and culture to an invading terrorist nation, just because your electricity bill is more expensive. Instead, you should ask your own government to come up with a plan to secure alternate energy sources.

And Ruzzia will wipe its ass with any deal it signs whenever it suits them, anyway. It's a fucking terrorist nation.
 
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IDKFA

I am Become Bilbo Baggins
If the energy crisis gets severe enough this winter, we should absolutely make sounds towards that, yes. It'd be an existential crisis at that point. Putin needs to know that there will be consequences for his actions.

To be clear, I don't think it will get that bad. I think Europe will tolerate a cold winter (perhaps it'll be mild - due to climate change, but still) and then in the spring the Ukrainians will drive the Russians back. How it ends on the Russian side I do not know.

Total war is the next (il)logical step. Russia has already declared war on the West and the West has already declared war on Russia. The only thing that hasn't happen is armies & tanks meeting on a battlefield, sea battles and bombs and missiles flying through the air. Instead we are in economic war with Russia and cyber warfare.

Let's just hope it doesn't get to full scale conflict between NATO and CSTO. It would be a long and bloody war of attrition.

Regarding the energy crisis, the only silver lining from this is that Europe will no longer be reliant on Russian gas. Even when this war is over, nobody is going to be running back to Russia to buy gas from them. It's going to be a long and hard winter here in Europe, but the future is even more bleak for Russia and Putin.
 

OZ9000

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You are asking another people to give up their country and culture to an invading terrorist nation, just because your electricity bill is more expensive. Instead, you should ask you own government to come up with a plan to secure alternate energy sources.

And Ruzzia will wipe its ass with any deal it signs whenever it suits them, anyway. It's a fucking terrorist nation.
Energy bills are increasing at an exponential rate.

Initially 1.8k a year
Now 3.2k a year in October
From January? 5-6k a year

My government is run by incompetent fools.

Huge swathes of the population will be unable to pay to live.
 

Tams

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Let's just hope it doesn't get to full scale conflict between NATO and CSTO. It would be a long and bloody war of attrition.

Regarding the energy crisis, the only silver lining from this is that Europe will no longer be reliant on Russian gas. Even when this war is over, nobody is going to be running back to Russia to buy gas from them. It's going to be a long and hard winter here in Europe, but the future is even more bleak for Russia and Putin.

Yes, hopefully it won't and I doubt it will. Putin needs reminding that it is a possibility though.

I don't think the CSTO will are an issue though. Only Belarus might go along with Russia, everyone else is sick of them. And even then, the population of Belarus seem to be sick of Russia too, so I doubt they go along with them.
 

Tams

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This is going to have huge ramifications in Europe.

Energy bills have already doubled in the UK.

Fuck the EU. I don't really give a fuck anymore. Negotiate a deal with Russia and get this sorted out.
Mods, please allow a very brief political interjection here:

Even dim Liz isn't going to give in to Russia like that. The end.
 

Thirty7ven

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So the EU’s population is getting smashed because of NATO and meanwhile old pal USA who promoted this shit is across the ocean erasing student debt and paying for an energy revolution, living care free.

EU really needs to re-think their relationship with the U.S.
 

Patrick S.

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Energy bills are increasing at an exponential rate.

Initially 1.8k a year
Now 3.2k a year in October
From January? 5-6k a year

My government is run by incompetent fools.

Huge swathes of the population will be unable to pay to live.

I'm in Germany, so I guess I'm in kinda the same boat. But please don't ask the entirety of a people to give themselves up to an invading rogue nation just for our own wellbeing. These times absolutely suck, but they will pass.
 

Tams

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So the EU’s population is getting smashed because of NATO and meanwhile old pal USA who promoted this shit is across the ocean erasing student debt and paying for an energy revolution, living care free.

EU really needs to re-think their relationship with the U.S.

Why? The US is leading the aid of a European country, and many in the east of Europe and are growing ever closer to the US for security. Of course they are out for themselves as well, but Europe and the US are the majority of the democratic world (that is working). Hence NATO.

This isn't mainly the US stirring up shit. It's the US and allies aiding a country that not only has asked (nay, pleaded) for help from them, but has shown that they are prepared to stand up and fight for it. And if Ukraine falls, then it is the stability and security of democracy as a concept that becomes more fragile.

I don't mean to read too much in this, but your poor English/odd English structure suggests that you aren't from Western Europe, and someone from Eastern Europe is unlikely to be so unhappy with US help. So where are you from?
 

winjer

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So the EU’s population is getting smashed because of NATO and meanwhile old pal USA who promoted this shit is across the ocean erasing student debt and paying for an energy revolution, living care free.

EU really needs to re-think their relationship with the U.S.

The EU isn't doing these sanctions because they are a puppet of the US. That is just Russia propaganda to undermine the resolve of the allies against the war.
The EU doesn't want major wars in the continent. It wants peace, economic trade and development. The US is helping a European country to defend itself against an invasion.

The issue with the EU, is that for a long time, many European politicians were too busy licking Putin's boots as to get some bribes, while increasing the energy dependency of Europe with Russia.
A good example is Schroder, that spent years in the Gazprom board, earning millions to promote Russian gas and oil. Now, because of him, the German people and German companies, have to pay for his corruption.
 

winjer

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France relies on nuclear energy for about 67% of its electricity – more than any other country – and on gas for about 7%.

At the moment, 32 of France's 56 nuclear reactors, all operated by EDF, are shut down for usual maintenance and, in some cases, to repair corrosion problems.

“There’s a schedule that provides that starting from October, each week, a new (nuclear) plant is operational again,” Pannier-Runacher said.
 

Liljagare

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This is going to have huge ramifications in Europe.

Energy bills have already doubled in the UK.

Fuck the EU. I don't really give a fuck anymore. Negotiate a deal with Russia and get this sorted out.

They are going to run 42,7 million cubic m^3 of LNG through a pipeline that runs through Ukraine, was just announced on the news here.

So the gas will continute to flow. Which it really shouldn't, but I can understand some of the nations that were stupid enough to become reliant on ruzzian gaz.

Meanwhile, here in Sweden, we have theese local heating plants that could also generate electricity up the wazoo, but the greens managed to tax that electricity so hard it isn't worth using them. There are calls for getting rid of those taxes though, since we would then go back to pretty normal prices. And prices have gone from 0.59 SEK/Kwh to 6-8, peaked at 10 SEK/Kwh, it's so bad that the banks are recommending everyone should take out a 50000 SEK loan to pay for this winters energy bill. The fun thing is, it isn't because we can't produce enough energy, we produce 130%, but it is because we are hooked up the the EU energy lines, the prices from Germany and elsewhere bleeds through on the international energy market (with the afore mentioned heat plants, we could produce 240% of energy needed).

Hopefully alot of new legislations will come from this fucked up mess.
 
This is going to have huge ramifications in Europe.

Energy bills have already doubled in the UK.

Fuck the EU. I don't really give a fuck anymore. Negotiate a deal with Russia and get this sorted out.
The problem is that doing this Ruzzia can do whatever they want. What about later if they decide to attack another country? "Allows us, or no more gas for you" On the other hand this can be the catalyst for renewable energy around the world, which could help climate change. Other than this, is to tell all people of Ukraine to perish.
 

Breaking News. Kadyrov, the head of Chechnya is stepping down indefinitely and is going on a long vacation.​

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I bet coming soon too:

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Fuck that guy and Putler!!!

Edit: Could be fake, but will wait for more confirmation.
 
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V1LÆM

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Energy bills are increasing at an exponential rate.

Initially 1.8k a year
Now 3.2k a year in October
From January? 5-6k a year

My government is run by incompetent fools.

Huge swathes of the population will be unable to pay to live.
the price rises suck and we'll struggle but if it means we tell Putin to fuck off then fine.

don't back down to these cunts just because things get a bit hard.
 

Nikodemos

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The issue with the EU, is that for a long time, many European politicians were too busy licking Putin's boots as to get some bribes, while increasing the energy dependency of Europe with Russia.

Fundamentally, the problem wasn't necessarily that Euro countries bought Russian gas.
The real problem was that they allowed the Russians and Russian-aligned agents to continuously sabotage any and all attempts at diversifying the gas supply basket.
In a few cases, the Russians were quite brazen about it, hinting at price hikes if the government started shopping around for another gas supplier (IIRC this happened in the case of Austria).
 

V1LÆM

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We're fine in France, we also have protection with regulated prices
lucky you. so many places are envious of France right now. you guys were prepared.

UK fucking sucks right now. bills are predicted to be going up by about £5,000/year on average. i would say the country is run by clowns but it seems nobody is running the country right now. not until monday... when we'll have a bigger clown than BoJo in charge.
 
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tommolb

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This is going to have huge ramifications in Europe.

Energy bills have already doubled in the UK.

Fuck the EU. I don't really give a fuck anymore. Negotiate a deal with Russia and get this sorted out.
You cannot negotiate and strike a deal with someone who wants to destroy you.

Putin thinks he is in a life and death struggle with the West. The only way this is settled is a comprehensive defeat of one side or the other.

The West has to suck up the problem and double down on support for Ukraine. - Artillery, ammo, planes, army training, cyber support etc. whatever it takes.

The UK government has to take steps to lesson the impact on societies poorest, which is isn't doing yet. But we all have to make sacrifices to defeat Putin. If we loose this battle, worse. more deadly ones will follow.
 
Seems like he is going to step down. Still want more outlets "credible" to see if this is true.



Also, I do see them getting the Old Putler Special Tea in the future if true.
 

IDKFA

I am Become Bilbo Baggins
lucky you. so many places are envious of France right now. you guys were prepared.

UK fucking sucks right now. bills are predicted to be going up by about £5,000/year on average. i would say the country is run by clowns but it seems nobody is running the country right now. not until monday... when we'll have a bigger clown than BoJo in charge.

I know we're being told it could go up to as much as £7K per year, but that's just impossible for a majority of the population to afford.

Honestly, how many people will be able to afford almost £600 per month for energy, combined with skyrocketing inflation and rising interest rates? Very, very few. Millions will be plunged into debt and will have their gas shut off. I honestly can't see how the government and Ofgem can allow this. There must be an alternative solution.
 
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