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Russia begins Invasion of Ukraine
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Ironbunny
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Looks like parkinson.
M1chl
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Isn't that suppose to first affect upper body?
Ironbunny
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I think thats why he is clenching the chair with hes hand on most videos. But from my own experience with people who have it, it seems to effect legs and hands.
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Ironbunny
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sankt-Antonio
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No point in looking back but judging the Green Party for the work of the previous party. Lol.
darth.shrimp
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I don't know, unfortunately he seemed quite well when he visited Gorbachev's coffin last week.
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
I guess it has episodes, quite common with neurological problems
sobaka770
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And how would you do that? No seriously - apart from self-congratulating posts of "Fuck Putin", or whatever copium this thread has become how would you actually go about dealing with a pissed off nuclear power operating in it's own back yard? This is not Iraq or Afghanistan or Libya, you can't just bomb the shit out of Russia. No one will wage total nuclear war. Go home and protest Putin out? Don't give me a laugh - after 2010 the whole thing has been taken under control, security forces were beefed up - nobody would dare do that and there is no precursor yet for change to happen - Russia is self-sufficient in raw materials, produce, land and can survive - poorer yet sovereign. That path is once again a complete misunderstanding of Russia by the West.
There is obviously one solution that is not giving in to Putin - maybe the united coalition of Western countries can drive the Russian offensive back then negotiating from a position of strength. That's theoretically possible (bar all nonsense about Crimea) and in fact, that's what the only thing the Western coalition can and is trying to do before inevitably diplomacy can resume. It's being done right now - the best and maybe only chance to do it in Kherson.
However the fact that this whole thing may still be too little too late is what pisses me off. The fact that not letting Russia invade was a "maybe", that it was not a "certainty" and now we're all between a rock and hard place is just mind-bogglingly stupid. Years of decadence and bad politics is what leads to this while strongmen in Russia and China (and India and Brazil etc.) just got shit done while the world watched it unfold. It was totally needless for EU to be so unprepared and so weak - and that pisses me off to no end. Don't get me wrong - Putin is a dick for starting this war, but the fact that nations were seriously not prepared at all is also criminal because opportunity was so ample. Putin already invaded Georgia and annexed Crimea, hello? It's been a decade.
Europe has a lot of blame to take for being so complacent. The big part of speaking softly and carrying a big stick is "carrying a big stick" part. Russia has it, USA has it, China now has it. These nations can do shit like that anywhere in the world and defend their "values" - local wars, soft power etc. is all backed by own military potential.
Europe just stood there pretty much demilitarised AF for decades, moralising and snooting around while their actual "stick" power just got comparatively weaker and weaker, more and more dependent basically on USA. If anything Trump was right to point out is just how little of money EU spent on their armies and NATO commitments. When at peace - prepare for war - and yet when shit hits the fan - Europe is the biggest beggar on the block - no weapons, no resources, no manufacturing - just pathetic. We prostituted our beaches, mountains and goods to rich Russian oligarchs, Arab sheiks and Chinese businessmen, while moralising and firmly believing that just the force of the "values" (democracy, liberalism, feminism etc.) was going to carry the world forward. Leading by example, yo. No wonder people think Europeans are snobby has-beens. The universal values failed miserably everywhere they were "exported", it takes ages to evolve a society of different people, not a military intervention and occupation.
Values need to be defended - whatever they are. A decade ago, when shit was happening in Syria, Georgia etc. - Germany should've gotten over its Nazi guilt and built up a fucking army. France has no military service or much incentive to do one, Spain, Italy have pretty much nada - the whole continent is so wounded by the two world wars fought on its soil they let it all rot for decades. No real navy, comparatively tiny functional armies, barely any artillery - just words and treaties. For fucks sake, Switzerland has more guns and military training than any EU country per capita. A country of 8 million people knows how to defend their own version of democracy through years of being neighbours to Napoleon and Hitler.
Not to say, the whole continent is so "green" - we can't survive a winter without gaz from Putin. In a world where China and USA keep decimating the atmosphere, Europe was the first to totally abandon the thoughts of energy independence for a greater good. Congratulations Germany for closing all those nuclear power plants without a backup plan. How did it come down to this? Did all those economists blind everyone with thoughts that service-based economy is so effing great, while we offloaded all primary resource gathering and manufacturing (you know - the stuff that actually exists in real world, not some metaverse NFT) to countries whose way of life we mock or worse - hate - yet can't do shit about.
Let's not forget how West is constantly caving in and just losing time and time again without taking lessons out of it and empowering assholes worldwide. I'm old enough to remember when Tibet was a hot issue. Just in China - Tibet, Uighurs and Hong Kong. All the moralising and screaming, those actors crying during Oscars, - while in reality China took what it wanted and Apple with half of USA firms still built its factories there while Hollywood bent itself over for the box office. Pathetic.
Outside of China: Russia's conflict in Georgia was a bit too far from home to get any action, Arab spring led to reinforcement of military regimes more than any actual change, Qaddafi was killed and Libya is still a shitter. The freedom-fighter USA supports the wonderful country of Saudi Arabia against Oman "rebels" (basically it's Russia-Ukraine but arabs so nobody cares) while Taliban made USA retreat and abandon all their "values" in Afghanistan.
What we end up is Turkey is doing so much better - making bank on grain, Bayraktars while sucking Russia's teat on the other end, buying military equipment from Putin while being in NATO and nobody can do anything, despite Erdogan going the way of Putin despotism a decade ago.
So yeah it seems that the world is just a bit more complicated than "country has a right for self determination", "democracy" and even basic human decency that we all like to fling around until reality check kicks in. Shit like that is why Putin feels so empowered in taking what he believes to be his, because Europe is weak, because its values get abandoned in seconds when it suits their "interests", including USA, and because he sees the world where the strong just take and get away with it because that's how basics still work in 21st century. The worst part - the world keeps proving him kinda right, and if Ukraine war is a turning point - then it will be a first one in many many decades.
So what to do now, because obviously what's done is done? I don't know what's the best course is right now - seems like at the very least finally some actual military force will be created in Europe, that is European and independent. Fuck depending on others, whether Russia or USA or China. NATO is fine but one gotta have own production of military and own people defending own EU values. You gotta hit that rock bottom to pull yourself up. Ukraine is a cause right now that can be defended but looking at history - it may very much become expendable. Such a waste.
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RJMacready73
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lolz negotiate with Russia, what fucking age are you?
Bernd Lauert
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Been to a Russian wedding last weekend. Talked to at least 20 people there, pretty much about every topic you can think of. Nobody mentioned the war or anything even remotely related to it. I found that quite interesting.
NoLootBoxDev
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Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
Since the orcs have stopped advancing and Ukraine is now advancing on all fronts, some people are calling this week the culmination of the military campaign. I think these calls are premature, but seeing Ukraine advancing on all fronts is beautiful.
Also, there's a large Ukrainian column heading either east or south (or both, I guess, if they split).
Also, there's a large Ukrainian column heading either east or south (or both, I guess, if they split).
Cyberpunkd
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No, fuck your government who for years was happy buying Russian gas and oil. What’s the point of bending to Russia now, they will cut your supply next time they throw a fit.
One good thing from this - together with global warming there is no way nuclear will not develop further. In France EDF announced they are bringing more than 20 reactors online in time for winter.
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M1chl
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ManaByte
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Today is September 5, 2022. Fuck Putin.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
More than 30, akshually. For decades France made a tidy profit selling nuclear watts to neighbours and seems they plan to resume the practice.
ManaByte
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Russian soldier thinks he's getting a date and instead gets smacked by artillery.
Bitmap Frogs
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Interestingly, pro EU sentiment is up all across the union, so much in fact that we're back to 2007 levels which means all the damage to the european institutions done by the austerity politics has been mitigated.
The EU, working closely with its allies, is: supporting ukraine, securing oil and gas supply to replace the tainted russian products, and is turning its politics on a dime to reestablish coal and nuclear energy production to lower prices.
And you know what? You should be happy for it: when it comes to europe (and yes, that includes the uk) disbanding nato and the eu are the biggest priorities for russia. It's no coincidence that every far right political party in europe that's being supported by russia is euroesceptic. In almost every european country there's one, or more, of these russian backed parties working to sway the public opinion and they're not getting what they want. Russia is not getting what it wants. The average favorable views on the EU across the union is 65% - it's been 15 years since it was that high. This time the EU has had a great crisis response (unlike what happened during the great recession) and people are paying notice. Everyone is sacrificing something for the greater good of the union, even the dutch are mulling fully tapping the groningen gas field, earthquakes be damned.
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This might be the most retarded thing I’ve ever read. It’s like getting mad at a wife whose husband beats her and expecting her to figure shit out while he keeps on beatin.
rofif
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Looks like usual RLS. my wife has is and she is not Putin (well, maybe)
Restless legs syndrome - Wikipedia
Or he is just bored
Gp1
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I was zapping through some telegram channels and found this.
https://t.me/supernova_plus/10197?single
A freaking drone with 2 LAW glued at it. Call of duty killstreak level of ingenuity
https://t.me/supernova_plus/10197?single
A freaking drone with 2 LAW glued at it. Call of duty killstreak level of ingenuity
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Insane Metal
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Russia cuts off gas exports to Europe via Nord Stream indefinitely | CNN Business
Russia won’t immediately resume exports of natural gas to Europe through its Nord Stream 1 pipeline, worsening a shortage that threatens to tip the continent into an energy crisis this winter.
edition.cnn.com
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
I was zapping through some telegram channels and found this.
https://t.me/supernova_plus/10197?single
A freaking drone with 2 LAW glued at it. Call of duty killstreak level of ingenuity
I feel like this is something I could/should have told y'all earlier but... in russia and ukraine telegram rules - and if you don't know telegram is more than just a chat client. You can have channels with thousands of people in there and you can setup them as a miniblogging platform, where the owner of the channel posts and people can reply on these posts, essentially creating threads.
Best of all, telegram let's you translate with one button posts, so it's a great way to follow the events. I just follow zelensky and supernova, but there are many others, russian included, if you want to see the copium in real life.
NoLootBoxDev
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"The gas flows from Russia no longer play a role in my calculations," Germany's [Energy Minister] #Habeck said today. "The only reliable thing from Russia are lies."
twitter.com/NKurma...
No one can take Ruzzia seriously now. Everyone knows their word, commitment is only to their favor. I feel bad for that 10% who maybe are against the war, but the rest are in favor and Putler can all be fucked.
NoLootBoxDev
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This is why all European countries must not fall for the Ruzzian shit
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TransTrender
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Dr.D00p
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Right now we have an energy market operating by peace time rules in a wartime envoirement, and we are most definitely in a (proxy) war with Russia. And whilst peacetime rules are kept in place, the energy market and the speculators who run it, will profiteer from it.
The UK isn't importing any gas from Russia anymore and has enough supply and reserves to get through this coming winter and, is in fact, exporting record amounts to EU countries to make up their shortfalls, but UK energy companies still have to buy their supplies through the free market from the profiteering speculator scumbags.
Mokus
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Sorry, from what I understood that actually UK doesn't have gas storing capabilities at the moment that is why the gas is going to the EU. So in the winter time they too will rely on "EU" reserves. Maybe I'm ill-informed.
IWasInSeinfeld
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Recently the Ukrainian armed forces opened fire on several temporary Russian HQ’s in my town, it happened at night and it was very unexpected and very loud, from what I know no citizen was injured.
Nikodemos
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There's a 200-ton blue whale in the bathtub, and it's the repeatedly-delayed Europe-wide debate about whether energy should no longer be considered a market item, but rather a public good of vital strategic importance.
There have been numerous people demanding that European countries (this includes non-EU countries like UK and Norway) remove the freely tradeable status of energy, and regulate it more strongly, but various corporate lobbies, plus a bunch of voodoonomic "pruhvatize eet, trade eet" neoliberals (many of them relics of the Blairite, or Blairite-mimicking in the case of continental countries, era) continue opposing this move (which would, admittedly, shake the energy industry to its core in the short-to-medium term).
There have been numerous people demanding that European countries (this includes non-EU countries like UK and Norway) remove the freely tradeable status of energy, and regulate it more strongly, but various corporate lobbies, plus a bunch of voodoonomic "pruhvatize eet, trade eet" neoliberals (many of them relics of the Blairite, or Blairite-mimicking in the case of continental countries, era) continue opposing this move (which would, admittedly, shake the energy industry to its core in the short-to-medium term).
Only now
I have been saying this when they invaded.. talking is futile .
Dr.D00p
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It doesn't have the storage capacity of other European countries but that is because they don't have the Gas reserves that the UK has access to, so the UK tends to buy & use only what it needs, instead of putting it in to long term storage, but some mothballed storage sites are being brought back into use, to alleviate the storage shortage in light of whats happening.
Tams
Member
The EU itself is part of that problem too though.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
Finally cracked 50k
Dr.D00p
Member
UK officially puts the death figure at 25K with something like 80K injured...whatever the actual number its brutal stuff going on, mostly out of sight.
Tams
Member
Don't worry, we just got ourselves a strong new leader.Just to show, that UK situation isn't just about the war
Man those are some insane prices.
winjer
Member
An RTX 4090 and a 13900K, and the British won't need heaters for the winter.
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Lord Panda
The Sea is Always Right
Don't worry, we just got ourselves a strong new leader.
Well at least she has her support for Ukraine, and the Russians being super pissed she was elected, going for her:
Under Liz Truss, Britain is expected to double down on support for Ukraine. (Published 2022)
As foreign secretary, Ms. Truss back in March said “Putin must lose,” using language that went beyond that of the U.S. and other Western allies.
Patrick S.
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Good.
Facism
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so strong she can take it up the arse dryDon't worry, we just got ourselves a strong new leader.
Patrick S.
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New electricity supply contracts in Germany are signed for prices well above one Euro per kw/h. I'm "lucky" I'm still paying like 30 Cent, because my supplier has a larger percentage of green energy anyways. But AFAIK, this same supplier is among those that are charging new customers like €1.20. Shit's fucked up.Just to show, that UK situation isn't just about the war
Man those are some insane prices.
Artoris
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they did not have David CameronJust to show, that UK situation isn't just about the war
Man those are some insane prices.
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