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Santa Monica issuing evacuation order

ManaByte

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The 3rd pic lists how many are incarcerated firefighters... 395. What's blatantly false about that?
I meant the fourth about the water supply. You’re deflecting.

LA doesn’t get its water from up north. Now. But in the past it did. The “fact check” is ignoring why LA doesn’t get its water from up north to try to defend Newsom. It’s propaganda you’re spreading here.
 
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StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
As per the article above for owners or renters who lost it all, that's what homeowners or fire insurance is for.

It wont bring back loss of sentimental objects burned, but for the property, other objects and hotel/meal accommodations, most stuff is covered with a payout ore receipt reimbursement. It's not like they are going to say, sit tight and they'll rebuild your house in 5 years so get lost and live with family till then. Then again, if someone tried to get by with zero insurance or a barebones policy trying to save $5/month., that's their fault. No different than someone driving a car with no insurance hoping to never get into an at fault accident to save money. Great strategy if nothing ever goes bad. But once it does, you could of had yourself covered.
 
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Kacho

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Kacho

Gold Member
Look man we've already established that Climate Change is racist. Therefore this Climate Fire is also racist. Transitive property of racism. And there's not a thing Newsom could have done to prevent or mitigate it because Trump made fun of him and Trump is racist.
You are my favorite poster on NeoGAF dot com
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
They’ve hit ludicrous speed.

CNN or MSNBC. Anti-Trump whoring to the bitter end. And they wonder why their TV ratings get destroyed by Fox for a decade. Fox's ratings are more than both combined even if someone wants to combine party line channels.

If aliens invaded Earth or a giant crevice opened and the Devil himself emerged from lava pits, he and Musk would be the cause too.
 
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demented waffle

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CNN or MSNBC. Anti-Trump whoring to the bitter end. And they wonder why their TV ratings get destroyed by Fox for a decade. Fox's ratings are more than both combined even if someone wants to combine party line channels.

If aliens invaded Earth or a giant crevice opened and the Devil himself emerged from lava pits, he and Musk would be the cause too.

Sounds metal as fuck. Go on.
 

DeafTourette

Perpetually Offended
I meant the fourth about the water supply. You’re deflecting.

LA doesn’t get its water from up north. Now. But in the past it did. The “fact check” is ignoring why LA doesn’t get its water from up north to try to defend Newsom. It’s propaganda you’re spreading here.

1. I'm not deflecting as you said the 3rd picture, which I addressed based on what you said.

You meant the fourth, ok. Let's look into it.

It seems Southern California imports a good deal of its water from groundwater, the Colorado River, aqueducts, northern Sierra (is this what you meant about "up north"?), Owens River, etc


Only 10% goes to residential properties while half goes to the environment and the rest (40%) goes to agriculture



And again, the images posted, while being fact checks themselves, are not to be the end all be all... I said anyone can fact check it themselves instead of believing it full stop!

I got no beef with you. I think you're one of the more level-headed here. I'm NOT trying to debate you or flame or whatever... I stated what I did plainly. There's no ulterior motive.
 

Hugare

Member
I think it has to do with costs and transporting bricks. But I might be wrong. Similar to tornado country. When it destroys a small US town, everything is destroyed to the ground where it hits. A brick home should withstand it better.

In Canada, just about every house or business building I've seen are either bricks (homes) or bricks/concrete/glass (businesses). So when there's a fire, its rare it gets far in populated areas.

For some context on various big fires in US/Canada lately, this article tells about LA, Jasper and Fort McMurray.

If cost is the problem, then its a crazy concept to me.

'Cause 90% of houses in south america are made of bricks. And we arent drowning in money over here.

My mother in law lives in a favela, and houses are all made of bricks there.

I saw that Milo Ventimiglia lost his house. Dude is a celebrity. Cost cant be the main reason. I think its more of a cultural thing?

Edit: https://time.com/6046368/wood-steel-houses-fires/

Found this article from 2021
 
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Ya but that headline is awful.
The headline is just common sense. If you have the money to bounce back and contend with prolonged insurance claims it will still be a disaster, but you can recover. If you are already poor and barely getting by, you are at much higher risk for your entire life falling apart. You probably dont have the money to live in a different state for 6-12 months, or a hotel, and your place of work and car are also likely finished. Insurance rates going up as well. It will massively impact the poor to a much greater degree. Most of the movie stars that keep getting shown in news coverage probably own multiple homes.
 

demented waffle

Gold Member
The headline is just common sense. If you have the money to bounce back and contend with prolonged insurance claims it will still be a disaster, but you can recover. If you are already poor and barely getting by, you are at much higher risk for your entire life falling apart. You probably dont have the money to live in a different state for 6-12 months, or a hotel, and your place of work and car are also likely finished. Insurance rates going up as well. It will massively impact the poor to a much greater degree. Most of the movie stars that keep getting shown in news coverage probably own multiple homes.

If the state wanted to put price controls on insurance with their consent on price increases, then the state should've did their job. It sucks for the people who got fucked by all of this, but it's the state that fucked them. Their insurance rates were in the bottom 5%.
 

ManaByte

Member
It seems Southern California imports a good deal of its water from groundwater, the Colorado River, aqueducts, northern Sierra (is this what you meant about "up north"?), Owens River, etc
Again you’re brainwashed by Newsom defense propaganda ignoring the fact that CA stopped water from flowing south due to the Delta Smelt.
 
If the state wanted to put price controls on insurance with their consent on price increases, then the state should've did their job. It sucks for the people who got fucked by all of this, but it's the state that fucked them. Their insurance rates were in the bottom 5%.
Point being its practically guaranteed to increase income inequality. Someone in this disaster with multiple homes, stable income, lawyers, connections just has to make it to the airport to go to their other house. Someone just barely getting by will potentially be kicked down so far they might not ever get back up. Just basic and completely uncontroversial reality. The fact that anyone finds that basic vanilla article to be some woke political hit piece is astounding.
 

DeafTourette

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Again you’re brainwashed by Newsom defense propaganda ignoring the fact that CA stopped water from flowing south due to the Delta Smelt.
No. That's false.

From every news source I'm reading, SoCal is constantly replenishing their water reserves but keep running out daily. They're burning through their reserves, quite literally with the size of the fire, daily... They're having trouble keeping up with the demand

It has nothing to do with the Delta Smelt fish despite what Trump is claiming and there IS NO "water restoration declaration"... Such a document doesn't exist.


The water situation in SoCal is complex and cannot be reduced to "a 3 inch fish"

 
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ChuckeRearmed

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CNN or MSNBC. Anti-Trump whoring to the bitter end. And they wonder why their TV ratings get destroyed by Fox for a decade. Fox's ratings are more than both combined even if someone wants to combine party line channels.
Personally I think Fox will also decline eventually. We are still in "post-Trump election" mode.
Podcasts are the future. You don't need TV. You don't need subs. Online offers you immediate real time access to events and discussions. TV does not. At best they should information with hours delay.

The headline is just common sense. If you have the money to bounce back and contend with prolonged insurance claims it will still be a disaster, but you can recover. If you are already poor and barely getting by, you are at much higher risk for your entire life falling apart. You probably dont have the money to live in a different state for 6-12 months, or a hotel, and your place of work and car are also likely finished. Insurance rates going up as well. It will massively impact the poor to a much greater degree. Most of the movie stars that keep getting shown in news coverage probably own multiple homes.
I think the biggest problem there is the fact that some people lost houses they had for generations. And with the current prices no way they can afford new one. Real state is like investment, and this fire essentially erased 10m+ from the accounts.
 
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DeafTourette

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Personally I think Fox will also decline eventually. We are still in "post-Trump election" mode.
Podcasts are the future. You don't need TV. You don't need subs. Online offers you immediate real time access to events and discussions. TV does not. At best they should information with hours delay.


I think the biggest problem there is the fact that some people lost houses they had for generations. And with the current prices no way they can afford new one. Real state is like investment, and this fire essentially erased 10m+ from the accounts.


I agree with you on both points.
 

DeafTourette

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It’s something almost everyone in CA has known for years at this point.

The propaganda pretending it’s false and people like you falling for it is a living version of the Eric Andre meme.

I stated I couldn't even access the article and you're lecturing me on propaganda.
 

DeafTourette

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Because you keep posting propaganda that’s false and produced just to try to defend Newsom and pretend that history didn’t actually happen.

But... I'm not.

Whatever... Being lectured to that I'm wrong because I'm getting info from a variety of sources and calling it propaganda is mind numbing.

I think you're a cool guy, Manabyte, but I'm done with this conversation. You have a good day.
 

TDiddyLive

Member
Being a misdemeanor doesn't mean it's a slap on the wrist. It's still on your record when you're arrested. The purpose was to prevent and reduce overcrowding in prisons. Not to make it legal. Especially in the case of theft rings.

Just because some DAs aren't prosecuting them doesn't take away the fact in other cities they are STILL being prosecuted... Prop 37 is putting it back as a felony ... Which will probably lead to overcrowding.
The amount of defense you’re providing Newsom is unbelievable for somebody that doesn’t live in California.

In regards to decriminalizing petty theft in Los Angeles County. That 100% did happen. The combination of Prop 47 and former LA County District Attorney George Gascon, who Newsom is intimately familiar with from both of their times serving in San Francisco, caused this.

Gascon stated he wouldn’t charge people for shoplifting, as it was a non-violent crime, so all people stopped for shoplifting were either released immediately at the store with no penalty, given a citation that had the charges dropped, or an arrest would occur due to an outside factor such as a a preexisting warrant.

Prop 36 passing, which Newsom publicly showed his disgust for, along with electing a new District Attorney is what recriminalized petty theft.
 

DeafTourette

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The amount of defense you’re providing Newsom is unbelievable for somebody that doesn’t live in California.

In regards to decriminalizing petty theft in Los Angeles County. That 100% did happen. The combination of Prop 47 and former LA County District Attorney George Gascon, who Newsom is intimately familiar with from both of their times serving in San Francisco, caused this.

Gascon stated he wouldn’t charge people for shoplifting, as it was a non-violent crime, so all people stopped for shoplifting were either released immediately at the store with no penalty, given a citation that had the charges dropped, or an arrest would occur due to an outside factor such as a a preexisting warrant.

Prop 36 passing, which Newsom publicly showed his disgust for, along with electing a new District Attorney is what recriminalized petty theft.

Your problem is thinking I'm "defending" Newsom. I'm not. I look up what I don't know enough about and present it. I'M not the one bringing his name up nor am I the one talking about his policies. If I see something that pushes against something that is misinformation, I'll post it. That's it! I don't like Trump, that's known. I know most of this board doesn't like Biden and that's fine. But facts should always be the gold standard, not ideologies or feelings in these things (water supply, Smelt, "water restoration declaration", etc).
 

ManaByte

Member
Literally everyone in CA knows who’s to blame for this. All the BS “fact checking” that’s popping up is just political propaganda and deflection. $150 billion in damages and growing. Those responsible are desperate to keep their power and are using their media to try to brainwash the masses into believing their delusions.

 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
All due respect, but why does race matter? A ton of people are losing their lives and livelihood in this, of all different creeds. Just not understanding the emphasis here, I guess.

Also, just to note, Altadena is not majority black, but there are communities inside of it that are. Altadena as a whole is majority white IIRC, not that it matters as I don't think fire has a prejudice.

Edit to add a bit more: Partially because I don't want DeafTourette DeafTourette to think I am solely trying to call him out or be a jerk and also because I just feel like talking a bit more about it...

Truly heart breaking for all involved, including this story and others that have been shared. Continued prayers for all.

It might be hard for some who have never been to LA to understand, but I was there a little over a year ago standing at the Griffith Observatory and looking around. It is, obliviously at the time, pretty obvious how something like this could take off in the hills easily. It's also hard to fathom how large LA and it's "pockets" as I refer to them are. Every part of the town is almost like a major city elsewhere. So many variables at play here.

By the way, if you put the politics fighting aside and the fact that it's a huge place with quite a few problems, I feel like a lot of people may not know that there are plenty of great, normal people there, regardless of what you hear in the media and social media. Some truly chill people, honestly similar to the east coast coastal mid to south towns, most of the not-celebrity people there are nice and chill. You wouldn't expect it, but it is true for a large portion of the every-day person populace. I have certainly been in worse and unfriendlier places. Lot of people in LA ( and surrounding areas) are willing to talk and help when you are visiting. Not every block is a crap hole, at all.

God bless LA, hope and prayers for defeating this and healing.
Ya, Altadena is not majority black. If anything it's trending away from black people.


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DeafTourette

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Fascinating how Newsom was being ass blasted for his policies leading to this disaster, then he goes on a video call with grandpa and cries about “misinformation” about the fires and suddenly all these bogus fact checks to defend Newsom pop up, isn’t it?

And I’m sure you’ll find a fact checks to defend this next:


No debate from me.
 

TDiddyLive

Member
Your problem is thinking I'm "defending" Newsom. I'm not. I look up what I don't know enough about and present it. I'M not the one bringing his name up nor am I the one talking about his policies. If I see something that pushes against something that is misinformation, I'll post it. That's it! I don't like Trump, that's known. I know most of this board doesn't like Biden and that's fine. But facts should always be the gold standard, not ideologies or feelings in these things (water supply, Smelt, "water restoration declaration", etc).
You post if something pushes against misinformation, yet you yourself post misinformation.
Just read the majority black town of Altadena is ashes and a disabled father refused to leave his son who has cerebral palsy.

Some folks are acting so gleefully because celebrities have lost their homes but COMPLETELY forgetting that regular people live out there too!

Not sure why you dragged race into the conversation, but you dragged the wrong race. 16.65% does not make a majority.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
Did they suffer from the fires?


I think it will be another money laundering scheme that will balloon out.
This is what I'm thinking, too. :messenger_pensive:
Wouldnt be surprised.

You know how in the movies shady deals come about where two guys meet and one person brings out a suitcase of cash?

That is 100% true even in modern day. My friend works in the construction industry. A very old school dude bro kind of industry where the offices can still be very male chauvinistic. And deals can still involve showing stacks of cash as a carrot to do a deal. He's seen it himself. No shame either. It's done right at the office as opposed to Hollywood back alley deals in the rain.

It's also an industry with no code of conduct guidelines. So things like trips, expensive dinners, sports tickets etc... are all still fair game to get the deal like the industry hasnt grown up like others who have changed to be less sketchy.
 

DeafTourette

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You post if something pushes against misinformation, yet you yourself post misinformation.


Not sure why you dragged race into the conversation, but you dragged the wrong race. 16.65% does not make a majority.

First, what was misinformation? What part? Which post?

Second, I misspoke... But another poster provided context to what I was trying to say. That community was a saving grace for black and brown folks in the 60s during segregation (yes, even in California) and those houses that had been in families for over 50 years (which is something most black and brown communities don't usually have because of redlining and segregation) which are now lost. Businesses and history lost and likely won't be able to get back as rising costs of living and insurance will make it nearly impossible for those families to rebuild.

I'm black and stories like that are important to me to speak on. It doesn't and shouldn't take anything away from all the other families who lost something to the fires.

You can laugh at me for my thoughts and feelings on THAT ... They're my thoughts and feelings.
 
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