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[TDiddyLive]

First, what was misinformation? What part? Which post?

Second, I misspoke... But another poster provided context to what I was trying to say. That community was a saving grace for black and brown folks in the 60s during segregation (yes, even in California) and those houses that had been in families for over 50 years (which is something most black and brown communities don't usually have because of redlining and segregation) which are now lost. Businesses and history lost and likely won't be able to get back as rising costs of living and insurance will make it nearly impossible for those families to rebuild.

I'm black and stories like that are important to me to speak on. It doesn't and shouldn't take anything away from all the other families who lost something to the fires.

You can laugh at me for my thoughts and feelings on THAT ... They're my thoughts and feelings.

The misinformation you posted is literally what you’re responding to. You turned on a racial lens to a tragedy, yet the information you provided regarding race was flat out false. Then in your response you shift the goalpost, further diving into race.

If race wasn’t your main motivator when talking about Altadena, then a reasonable question would have been, “why is all the focus on the rich homes lost in Pacific Palisades while regular people’s homes lost in Altadena isn’t getting as much attention?” To which the reply would be that showing epic devastation in a rich neighborhood shows that anybody can suffer and nobody is safe from tragedy.

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

Wouldnt be surprised.

You know how in the movies shady deals come about where two guys meet and one person brings out a suitcase of cash?

That is 100% true even in modern day. My friend works in the construction industry. A very old school dude bro kind of industry where the offices can still be very male chauvinistic. And deals can still involve showing stacks of cash as a carrot to do a deal. He's seen it himself. No shame either. It's done right at the office as opposed to Hollywood back alley deals in the rain.

It's also an industry with no code of conduct guidelines. So things like trips, expensive dinners, sports tickets etc... are all still fair game to get the deal like the industry hasnt grown up like others who have changed to be less sketchy.

Well the whole military industrial complex is built on that too.

 

[TransTrender]

And I’m sure you’ll find a fact checks to defend this next:

The timestamp is from 1/9 so it's not the start of the main fire but this is certainly arson trying to make the situation worse.

 

[GateofD]

How many days has it been so far?
Firefighters must be getting crazy OT and extra hazard pay off this. Much deserved of course

 

[DeafTourette]

The misinformation you posted is literally what you’re responding to. You turned on a racial lens to a tragedy, yet the information you provided regarding race was flat out false. Then in your response you shift the goalpost, further diving into race.

If race wasn’t your main motivator when talking about Altadena, then a reasonable question would have been, “why is all the focus on the rich homes lost in Pacific Palisades while regular people’s homes lost in Altadena isn’t getting as much attention?” To which the reply would be that showing epic devastation in a rich neighborhood shows that anybody can suffer and nobody is safe from tragedy.

The point that the other poster, I think it was Dirk, put better than I did originally, is what I said before your post just now. A whole community will be rendered homeless and unable to rebuild due to cost of living increases and insurance premiums ... As I already said.

But it can be argued about why bring politics into this thread with all the Newsome hate and "leftist policies"? Why bring anything other than news and daring rescues and sad stories to this thread? Why bring any of it? You know why? Because any of us can. But I'm bouncing out before this thread gets locked with the overt politics.

 

[ManaByte]

with all the Newsome hate

The asshole is responsible.

 

[ManaByte]

Imagine being mad that people are pissed off at Gov Hair Gel after this.

 

[jason10mm]

This looks like a warzone

And I would like to take the chance to ask why you guys in the US only build houses with wood? Instead of bricks?

I'm not sure how much that would help. Maybe brick with metal or tile roofs instead of tar shingles? Be interesting to see what they rebuild. Even more of a fire trap or some sensible precautions.

 

[GateofD]

How is the ground zero dealing with food and stuff for the displaced people. Are people getting fed?

 

[Punished Miku]

Imagine being mad that people are pissed off at Gov Hair Gel after this.

Do we get to hold people criminally responsible for climate change negligence next or only when James Woods asks his nonpartisan friends first? Do we get to hold people criminally responsible if any other government agencies are defunded by $17 million? You're unhinged dude. All you are posting is nonstop politics BS. I haven't seen you this mad since youtubers started criticizing the Acolyte. This thread should be about following the updates around this event without your roid rage rants about Gavin Newsome that never end. I dont think anyone here has a problem with California investigating and doing whatever voters want with their local government. What anyone with a brain finds distasteful is your nonstop BS political progaganda 24/7 before the flames are even out. They arent defending Newsome. They're annoyed at you. Go retweet another pastor.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Goddamn....a post from 2022 when Caruso was running for mayor of LA. He lost to Karen Bass

 

[Pegasus Actual]

Goddamn....a post from 2022 when Caruso was running for mayor of LA. He lost to Karen Bass

He would have had a chance to win if he had remembered to direct us to... "URL"

 

[Lord Panda]

Man I miss the Greenland thread.

My muse just isn't hitting with the memes on this one:

Yeah good times. Also each time I see your username, I tell myself it's time rewatch BSG.

Also sorry if this is a dupe but probably worth a repost given it addresses the issue with the empty reservoir:

 

[TDiddyLive]

How is the ground zero dealing with food and stuff for the displaced people. Are people getting fed?

There’s tons of shelters available along with tons of restaurants are offering free meals to affected people. The damaged area isn’t that big in comparison to areas hit by tornadoes, hurricanes, and other large disasters, so transportation of people and goods is largely unaffected.

 

[//DEVIL//]

So. whats the update? getting better? are they gaining any control ? or is it getting worse? hope everyone is safe

 

[violence]

So. whats the update? getting better? are they gaining any control ? or is it getting worse? hope everyone is safe

Still fire with winds expected for the next few days.

 

[Dirk Benedict]

The air hass started to clear. I couldn't see any smoke and it smells normal, for once.
There is containment AFAIK:

 

[MayauMiao]

oh well

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

Do we get to hold people criminally responsible for climate change negligence next or only when James Woods asks his nonpartisan friends first?

What climate change negligence? Fires has happened in these areas since the immemorial - even the native americans had to deal with them.

No, the governor, the mayor should be held responsible and then there should be a full blown investigation and audit of spending. You would think the people are going to support, but it is California so it is hard to tell whether people will do the right thing for their own future or not.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

Feel free to fact check

First this, then I read on CNN private firefighters are a thing - because OF COURSE THEY ARE. Guy charges residents $1k in normal time (I guess when BBQ grill explodes), but now it's $5k. That's some serious surge pricing to profit from a mass devastation event.
I can't wait to see posters here defending that.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

The irony

Already confirmed as fake, but that didn't stop you not using your brain and fact-checking. Let me guess - nobody needs to fact check anymore because Elon said so!

 

[MayauMiao]

Already confirmed as fake, but that didn't stop you not using your brain and fact-checking. Let me guess - nobody needs to fact check anymore because Elon said so!

Didn't read it from Elon but I did check out the site hence why I just took screenshot instead of linking the Tweet.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

Imagine being mad that people are pissed off at Gov Hair Gel after this.

Not really related but when I look at the first pic I have a typical French reaction - what's the point in spending millions for a house in one of the world's priciest places if your land is barely larger than the house itself? Yes, I know getting a land 2x or 3x the size of the house would make it ridiculously expensive, but still - these houses seem to be built like 3-5 meters max in a straight line to your neighbours windows.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

Didn't read it from Elon but I did check out the site hence why I just took screenshot instead of linking the Tweet.

So you post this because you agree and are furious, or you know it's fake? You provide no context.

 

[MayauMiao]

So you post this because you agree and are furious, or you know it's fake? You provide no context.

If it helps you to sleep at night, I'll remove it.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

If it helps you to sleep at night, I'll remove it.

Are you upset because I asked you why you did things?

 

[MayauMiao]

Are you upset because I asked you why you did things?

No why should I?

 

[ManaByte]

 

[Cyberpunkd]

I absolutely hate this timeline, it seems like the corporate apologists started fellating much harder and longer since Trump got elected. It cannot and will not end well, history showed time and time again someone is going to get fucked really badly and that someone will not be tech-bro billionaires.

Also - can we get at least some comments to the stuff people are posting? Because ManaByte just posted stuff from a pundit who going by his X history has a serious hard on for Trump, so - geez - maybe he is a bit biased?

 

[ManaByte]

I absolutely hate this timeline, it seems like the corporate apologists started fellating much harder and longer since Trump got elected. It cannot and will not end well, history showed time and time again someone is going to get fucked really badly and that someone will not be tech-bro billionaires.

What does that have to do with the fires?

 

[Cyberpunkd]

What does that have to do with the fires?

What does a bunch of cars rolling down the highway because the cars' company owner met with firefighters have to do with fires? You are the one that posted this.

 

[ManaByte]

What does a bunch of cars rolling down the highway because the cars' company owner met with firefighters have to do with fires? You are the one that posted this.

But fuck him, right?

 

[Cyberpunkd]

But fuck him, right?

No, this is a rather important piece of context that you did not add. Good for him, I'm sure this will be put to good use by firefighters and other services.

 

[Punished Miku]

But fuck him, right?

The guy that wants to cut 2 trillion from the budget while cutting taxes doing a PR stunt. Hope you all care as much about the fallout from that as your missing 17 million.

 

[Kacho]

 

[Draugoth]

With Global Warming events like this will start to become more common and stronger, this could have been prevented.

 

[ManaByte]

With Global Warming events like this will start to become more common and stronger, this could have been prevented.

I’ve lived through more than a dozen of these fires in SoCal. 95% of them are arson. Global Warming is a deflection argument.

 

[violence]

Apparently there’s homeless people, who are junkies and on meth, living in the hills that start fires to deal with the 40° weather at night.

 

[ManaByte]

Apparently there’s homeless people, who are junkies and on meth, living in the hills that start fires to deal with the 40° weather at night.

It’s not just homeless people. There are psychopath fire bugs who just like to start fires. Most of the big yearly ones are done by them. The only recent one I can recall that wasn’t was started by a sparking exhaust on a dirt bike.

 

[diffusionx]

I read some articles today about how the Pacific Palisades fire might have started from previously extinguished fires caused by NYE fireworks, where the earth was still scorched and flammable.

MSN

The fact is that “climate change” might have been a reason for an increased fire risk but the thousands of burned homes is the result of actual, direct, human behavior (fireworks, junkie hobos) and government incompetence.

 

[Madserb2023]

The only thing I still don't understand is so why many American houses are made out of wood. When London burnt to the ground they passed a law to make sure the houses would be made of brick and stone when it was rebuilt. I understand why in the beginning houses were made of wood because Forests were everywhere and the country wasn't developed until the mid 19th century but why now? While wood is good for earthquakes, Tokyo is a concrete jungle as tech has come a long way.

 

[Punished Miku]

The fact is that “climate change” might have been a reason for an increased fire risk but the thousands of burned homes is the result of actual, direct, human behavior (fireworks, junkie hobos) and government incompetence.

Obviously. I don't think anyone with a brain is claiming that climate change caused LA to spontaneously erupt in flames.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

The only thing I still don't understand is so why many American houses are made out of wood. When London burnt to the ground they passed a law to make sure the houses would be made of brick and stone when it was rebuilt. I understand why in the beginning houses were made of wood because Forests were everywhere and the country wasn't developed until the mid 19th century but why now? While wood is good for earthquakes, Tokyo is a concrete jungle as tech has come a long way.

This is what bugs me as well. Every time I need to do some DIY and will check YouTube I am shocked that walls in American homes are mostly empty spaces in between wooden support beams (plywood). Is it cheaper (probably)? Easier to do the renovations afterwards (most likely)?

 

[Z O N E]

I read some articles today about how the Pacific Palisades fire might have started from previously extinguished fires caused by NYE fireworks, where the earth was still scorched and flammable.

MSN

The fact is that “climate change” might have been a reason for an increased fire risk but the thousands of burned homes is the result of actual, direct, human behavior (fireworks, junkie hobos) and government incompetence.

About 2 months ago, there was a fire next to the empty reservoir that they later found out was arson.

During NYE there was a fire due to a firework.

Firefighters are now saying the Palisades fire was started from a "small backyard fire" that went up the ridge and everyone knows what happened next. So either arson or someone started the fire and didn't extinguish it properly.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

What climate change negligence? Fires has happened in these areas since the immemorial - even the native americans had to deal with them.

No, the governor, the mayor should be held responsible and then there should be a full blown investigation and audit of spending. You would think the people are going to support, but it is California so it is hard to tell whether people will do the right thing for their own future or not.

Like anything in life, people should be held accountable for consequences. But a big fire doesn't mean people should be grilled. But it depends how much effort and quality work they put into it or if they purposely did a shit job or was negligent jeopardizing everyone.

But good luck trying to sue government for things. It's not the same as suing your neighbour for screwing up a fence or cutting down a tree. The chances of people getting reimbursed or the politicians getting convicted of anything is probably 0% even if they did a bad job.

 

[diffusionx]

Obviously. I don't think anyone with a brain is claiming that climate change caused LA to spontaneously erupt in flames.

So why are people talking so much about climate change? Are they just so politically brain rotted and can’t think in any terms but red team or blue team, or do they have an agenda?

 

[Punished Miku]

So why are people talking so much about climate change?

Probably trying to discuss relevant factors in the huge fire this thread is about.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Firefighters are now saying the Palisades fire was started from a "small backyard fire" that went up the ridge and everyone knows what happened next. So either arson or someone started the fire and didn't extinguish it properly.

I've always lived in a metro area, so backyards are small and fenced in. There's no ridges to spread. Nobody even does fires in their backyard unless they got one of those small open pit things you buy at Home Depot and everyone sits around it drinking a beer.

When it comes to bigger open space backyards in more rural areas where there's tons of trees and such, can any of you who have experience tell what kind of fires people are doing that may spread into uncontrollable flames? For metro people, it's going to be limited to BBQs or those small open pit things. Are you guys doing big bonfires or burning your own bushes and brush?

 

[Madserb2023]

So why are people talking so much about climate change? Are they just so politically brain rotted and can’t think in any terms but red team or blue team, or do they have an agenda?

It's simple. It avoids being held responsible. It's the modern equivalent of saying God did it. There will be errors made by politicians, the local authority regarding management of the areas affected. Construction companies cheeping out and not using appropriate materials etc. You have apartment buildings made entirely out of wood in America which are just giant coffins. Shouldn't be built. Hopefully there will be an inquiry but I doubt it.

 

[Punished Miku]

It's simple. It avoids being held responsible. It's the modern equivalent of saying God did it. There will be errors made by politicians, the local authority regarding management of the areas affected. Construction companies cheeping out and not using appropriate materials etc. You have apartment buildings made entirely out of wood in America which are just giant coffins. Shouldn't be built. Hopefully there will be an inquiry but I doubt it.

Complete fiction. Talking about climate change is not avoiding any responsibility. Avoiding even acknowledging that climate change is real is doing the exact thing you're supposedly against. What a joke this thread is. Fully partisan political propaganda BS and unscientific crap. Even during a disaster you can't acknowledge reality.