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Santa Monica issuing evacuation order

Meicyn

Member
So, I’ve been seeing articles and even a bit of social media chatter trying to defend Mayor Bass, saying that she didn’t technically cut the budget for fire protection. They all point to an article on Politico, this one specifically:

It wasn’t just her travel. Far-left (and conservative) activists online accused the mayor of cutting the fire department’s budget to pay for a costly new contract with the city’s police. Patrick Soon-Shiong, the aforementioned Los Angeles Times owner, echoed the attack, posting on X that “the Mayor cut LA Fire Department’s budget by $23M.”

That assertion is wrong. The city was in the process of negotiating a new contract with the fire department at the time the budget was being crafted, so additional funding for the department was set aside in a separate fund until that deal was finalized in November. In fact, the city’s fire budget increased more than $50 million year-over-year compared to the last budget cycle.
Interesting! And yet, I smell bullshit, especially since the Los Angeles Fire Chief protested the budget cut and filed a report on 4 December, which was submitted to the Mayor’s office on 17 December. That $50M “increase” they are referencing is this:

The L.A. City Council Tuesday will consider a four-year, $203 million contract with the union representing its firefighters and fire captains.

So what’s the big deal? It’s an increase! But here’s the kicker. This is not something new, this is something that is routine. Case in point, here is the MOU for the aforementioned contract that covers 2024-2028:

And this is the MOU for 2019-2024:

In other words, the attempt to characterize the contract as a $50M increase for this year for fire protection is not just disingenuous, it’s an outright fucking lie and a feeble attempt at damage control. The city of Los Angeles renegotiates with the firefighter union every few years with regard to salaries, health care, etc like any other city does. The MOUs show the breakdown of pay schedules and everything. The latest contract is an increase, sure… but that is routine.

A better characterization is that it is a pay raise for union members. For example, in the 2019-2024 MOU, the pay schedule shows that for the lowest ranking unionized firefighter, they make $71,284 per year, with annual increases. In the 2024-2028 MOU, same position starts at $93,229 with annual increases.

Reviewing the budgets for Los Angeles, here is the amount allocated to fire protection starting with FY2018, which excludes the aforementioned contracts:

FY2018: $657M
FY2019: $676M
FY2020: $687M
FY2021: $732M
FY2022: $750M
FY2023: $781M
FY2024: $835M
FY2025: $814M

As you can see, there was no budget cut to fire protection when the contract was renegotiated back in 2019 for the firefighter union. The only cut is for this fiscal year, under Mayor Bass, and clearly at the protest of her fire chief. So kudos to the fire chief for trying to do what’s right. Knowing how budget negotiations go, her protests would have occurred all the way through the moment the budget was finalized, and then she started raising alarm bells after.

Long story short? You’ll find better journalistic investigation on Neogaf than fucking Politico, and all the other useless online news rags that just regurgitate a source without validating the content of the source. Hold your politicians accountable, and always verify what you are being told. They will look for any way they can to weasel out of accountability.

LA budgets are here: https://cao.lacity.gov/budget/
LA MOUs are here: https://cao.lacity.gov/mous/
LA Fire Chief’s Memo to the Mayor is here: https://clkrep.lacity.org/onlinedocs/2024/24-1600_rpt_bfc_12-17-24.pdf
 

Chittagong

Gold Member
On the way to Antarctica via LAX we had a pressurisation issue and had to dump fuel and land back.

In four hours, we due to depart on our return via LAX, landing there around 6AM tomorrow morning, staying in a downtown hotel for the day and flying out at 11PM. I was planning to go to Best Buy West Hollywood and Grove to pick up a PS5 Pro and some cosmetics.

How bad is my travel plan?
 

Madflavor

Member
Supposedly winds are going to pick up tonight into Friday. And I'm just realizing now that there are 4 separate fires total? I'm trying to do some catching up, but this just sucks across the board. I don't know if this is a dramatic take, but I'm starting to wonder if half or more of LA is going to be burned down by next week.
 

TDiddyLive

Member
Supposedly winds are going to pick up tonight into Friday. And I'm just realizing now that there are 4 separate fires total? I'm trying to do some catching up, but this just sucks across the board. I don't know if this is a dramatic take, but I'm starting to wonder if half or more of LA is going to be burned down by next week.
Los Angeles is massive, so nowhere near half will be affected. But more and more fires keep popping up.

 
Anyone else get an Evacuation Alert right now? Not even close to the actual fire at either work or home.

Perhaps a general alert or someone got jumpy.
 
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The Fartist

Gold Member
Anyone else get an Evacuation Alert right now? Not even close to the actual fire at either work or home.

Perhaps a general alert or someone got jumpy.
Yeah, I got it, been checking the Eaton fire map and it's been pretty much the same since last night.

Edit: just got another one, saying to disregard the last one LOL, someone definitely got jumpy.
 
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Jinzo Prime

Member
You do understand the scope of the US? The UK wouldn't even be a top 5 state by sq km.
Don't be rude man, he was just making an observation.

It's weird for me in the UK, just how dry a lot of the US is.
Sorry about that.
Yes a lot of the US is quite arid. The US stretches across a continent, so there is massive diversity of biomes, weather, flora and fauna, etc.
 
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IntentionalPun

Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Yeah, but about half that territory, almost all to the west, is very dry.
Yeah it runs the gamut though. It's probably weird to you because you live in Europe, which is the least arid continent by far isn't it?

US is the size of Europe roughly but because of the 2 very different oceans (among other things) on either side it's climate has a lot more variety.
 

Wildebeest

Member
Yeah it runs the gamut though. It's probably weird to you because you live in Europe, which is the least arid continent by far isn't it?

US is the size of Europe roughly but because of the 2 very different oceans (among other things) on either side it's climate has a lot more variety.
Explains why American cheese has such a bad reputation.
 

FunkMiller

Member
It's weird for me in the UK, just how dry a lot of the US is.

The Rockies do a really good job of blocking moisture. Same reason Australia has an outback thanks to the dividing range. Less and less annual rainfall also has an exponential affect on regions that already don't get enough water on them.
 
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ManaByte

Member
He is just an old man. Probably has dementia. I can't hate him, but I can hate the people that prop him up.

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Meicyn

Member
Almost a third of the continental US is either desert or short grass steppe. Hot, dry, and major population centers are only able to exist because of modern water management.
Or lack thereof. Key aquifers will be 100% depleted in the late 2030s and early 2040s and our leaders keep kicking the can down the road.
 

ManaByte

Member
Almost a third of the continental US is either desert or short grass steppe. Hot, dry, and major population centers are only able to exist because of modern water management.
CA was a very green state, even 25 years ago. Then the environmentalists found a tiny fish in a river and they made the state divert water from the north into the ocean so the south of the state dried up and died.
 
CA was a very green state, even 25 years ago. Then the environmentalists found a tiny fish in a river and they made the state divert water from the north into the ocean so the south of the state dried up and died.
California has massive governmental and water management failures for sure. But its a 1200 year record breaking drought. Despite what people say, climate change is obviously a factor and people can either ignore that or acknowledge it, because it wont make much difference at this point. We're in just the beginning of the era of extreme weather; Florida, North Carolina, California. Home insurance will collapse because its unsustainable. These areas have to think now about climate catastrophe damage mitigation. Or you know, dont. Whatever.

The rich will be in New Zealand, Montana and Canada while people blame a fish.
 
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rm082e

Member
California has massive governmental and water management failures for sure. But its a 1200 year record breaking drought. Despite what people say, climate change is obviously a factor and people can either ignore that or acknowledge it, because it wont make much difference at this point. We're in just the beginning of the era of extreme weather; Florida, North Carolina, California. Home insurance will collapse because its unsustainable. These areas have to think now about climate catastrophe damage mitigation. Or you know, dont. Whatever.

We've got plenty of cheap land here in the middle of the country if anyone wants to join us.
 

Chiggs

Gold Member
So, I’ve been seeing articles and even a bit of social media chatter trying to defend Mayor Bass, saying that she didn’t technically cut the budget for fire protection. They all point to an article on Politico, this one specifically:


Interesting! And yet, I smell bullshit, especially since the Los Angeles Fire Chief protested the budget cut and filed a report on 4 December, which was submitted to the Mayor’s office on 17 December. That $50M “increase” they are referencing is this:



So what’s the big deal? It’s an increase! But here’s the kicker. This is not something new, this is something that is routine. Case in point, here is the MOU for the aforementioned contract that covers 2024-2028:

And this is the MOU for 2019-2024:

In other words, the attempt to characterize the contract as a $50M increase for this year for fire protection is not just disingenuous, it’s an outright fucking lie and a feeble attempt at damage control. The city of Los Angeles renegotiates with the firefighter union every few years with regard to salaries, health care, etc like any other city does. The MOUs show the breakdown of pay schedules and everything. The latest contract is an increase, sure… but that is routine.

A better characterization is that it is a pay raise for union members. For example, in the 2019-2024 MOU, the pay schedule shows that for the lowest ranking unionized firefighter, they make $71,284 per year, with annual increases. In the 2024-2028 MOU, same position starts at $93,229 with annual increases.

Reviewing the budgets for Los Angeles, here is the amount allocated to fire protection starting with FY2018, which excludes the aforementioned contracts:

FY2018: $657M
FY2019: $676M
FY2020: $687M
FY2021: $732M
FY2022: $750M
FY2023: $781M
FY2024: $835M
FY2025: $814M

As you can see, there was no budget cut to fire protection when the contract was renegotiated back in 2019 for the firefighter union. The only cut is for this fiscal year, under Mayor Bass, and clearly at the protest of her fire chief. So kudos to the fire chief for trying to do what’s right. Knowing how budget negotiations go, her protests would have occurred all the way through the moment the budget was finalized, and then she started raising alarm bells after.

Long story short? You’ll find better journalistic investigation on Neogaf than fucking Politico, and all the other useless online news rags that just regurgitate a source without validating the content of the source. Hold your politicians accountable, and always verify what you are being told. They will look for any way they can to weasel out of accountability.

LA budgets are here: https://cao.lacity.gov/budget/
LA MOUs are here: https://cao.lacity.gov/mous/
LA Fire Chief’s Memo to the Mayor is here: https://clkrep.lacity.org/onlinedocs/2024/24-1600_rpt_bfc_12-17-24.pdf

This is a fantastic post. We need more people like you here.
 

Ownage

Member
So, I’ve been seeing articles and even a bit of social media chatter trying to defend Mayor Bass, saying that she didn’t technically cut the budget for fire protection. They all point to an article on Politico, this one specifically:


Interesting! And yet, I smell bullshit, especially since the Los Angeles Fire Chief protested the budget cut and filed a report on 4 December, which was submitted to the Mayor’s office on 17 December. That $50M “increase” they are referencing is this:



So what’s the big deal? It’s an increase! But here’s the kicker. This is not something new, this is something that is routine. Case in point, here is the MOU for the aforementioned contract that covers 2024-2028:

And this is the MOU for 2019-2024:

In other words, the attempt to characterize the contract as a $50M increase for this year for fire protection is not just disingenuous, it’s an outright fucking lie and a feeble attempt at damage control. The city of Los Angeles renegotiates with the firefighter union every few years with regard to salaries, health care, etc like any other city does. The MOUs show the breakdown of pay schedules and everything. The latest contract is an increase, sure… but that is routine.

A better characterization is that it is a pay raise for union members. For example, in the 2019-2024 MOU, the pay schedule shows that for the lowest ranking unionized firefighter, they make $71,284 per year, with annual increases. In the 2024-2028 MOU, same position starts at $93,229 with annual increases.

Reviewing the budgets for Los Angeles, here is the amount allocated to fire protection starting with FY2018, which excludes the aforementioned contracts:

FY2018: $657M
FY2019: $676M
FY2020: $687M
FY2021: $732M
FY2022: $750M
FY2023: $781M
FY2024: $835M
FY2025: $814M

As you can see, there was no budget cut to fire protection when the contract was renegotiated back in 2019 for the firefighter union. The only cut is for this fiscal year, under Mayor Bass, and clearly at the protest of her fire chief. So kudos to the fire chief for trying to do what’s right. Knowing how budget negotiations go, her protests would have occurred all the way through the moment the budget was finalized, and then she started raising alarm bells after.

Long story short? You’ll find better journalistic investigation on Neogaf than fucking Politico, and all the other useless online news rags that just regurgitate a source without validating the content of the source. Hold your politicians accountable, and always verify what you are being told. They will look for any way they can to weasel out of accountability.

LA budgets are here: https://cao.lacity.gov/budget/
LA MOUs are here: https://cao.lacity.gov/mous/
LA Fire Chief’s Memo to the Mayor is here: https://clkrep.lacity.org/onlinedocs/2024/24-1600_rpt_bfc_12-17-24.pdf
All good skills to have. Good work. You can make a decent career conducting due diligence and offering advisory services.
 
So, I’ve been seeing articles and even a bit of social media chatter trying to defend Mayor Bass, saying that she didn’t technically cut the budget for fire protection. They all point to an article on Politico, this one specifically:


Interesting! And yet, I smell bullshit, especially since the Los Angeles Fire Chief protested the budget cut and filed a report on 4 December, which was submitted to the Mayor’s office on 17 December. That $50M “increase” they are referencing is this:



So what’s the big deal? It’s an increase! But here’s the kicker. This is not something new, this is something that is routine. Case in point, here is the MOU for the aforementioned contract that covers 2024-2028:

And this is the MOU for 2019-2024:

In other words, the attempt to characterize the contract as a $50M increase for this year for fire protection is not just disingenuous, it’s an outright fucking lie and a feeble attempt at damage control. The city of Los Angeles renegotiates with the firefighter union every few years with regard to salaries, health care, etc like any other city does. The MOUs show the breakdown of pay schedules and everything. The latest contract is an increase, sure… but that is routine.

A better characterization is that it is a pay raise for union members. For example, in the 2019-2024 MOU, the pay schedule shows that for the lowest ranking unionized firefighter, they make $71,284 per year, with annual increases. In the 2024-2028 MOU, same position starts at $93,229 with annual increases.

Reviewing the budgets for Los Angeles, here is the amount allocated to fire protection starting with FY2018, which excludes the aforementioned contracts:

FY2018: $657M
FY2019: $676M
FY2020: $687M
FY2021: $732M
FY2022: $750M
FY2023: $781M
FY2024: $835M
FY2025: $814M

As you can see, there was no budget cut to fire protection when the contract was renegotiated back in 2019 for the firefighter union. The only cut is for this fiscal year, under Mayor Bass, and clearly at the protest of her fire chief. So kudos to the fire chief for trying to do what’s right. Knowing how budget negotiations go, her protests would have occurred all the way through the moment the budget was finalized, and then she started raising alarm bells after.

Long story short? You’ll find better journalistic investigation on Neogaf than fucking Politico, and all the other useless online news rags that just regurgitate a source without validating the content of the source. Hold your politicians accountable, and always verify what you are being told. They will look for any way they can to weasel out of accountability.

LA budgets are here: https://cao.lacity.gov/budget/
LA MOUs are here: https://cao.lacity.gov/mous/
LA Fire Chief’s Memo to the Mayor is here: https://clkrep.lacity.org/onlinedocs/2024/24-1600_rpt_bfc_12-17-24.pdf
Have you considered Tweeting Elon and asking if you can join the DOGE? They need people like you
 

diffusionx

Gold Member
So, I’ve been seeing articles and even a bit of social media chatter trying to defend Mayor Bass, saying that she didn’t technically cut the budget for fire protection. They all point to an article on Politico, this one specifically:


Interesting! And yet, I smell bullshit, especially since the Los Angeles Fire Chief protested the budget cut and filed a report on 4 December, which was submitted to the Mayor’s office on 17 December. That $50M “increase” they are referencing is this:



So what’s the big deal? It’s an increase! But here’s the kicker. This is not something new, this is something that is routine. Case in point, here is the MOU for the aforementioned contract that covers 2024-2028:

And this is the MOU for 2019-2024:

In other words, the attempt to characterize the contract as a $50M increase for this year for fire protection is not just disingenuous, it’s an outright fucking lie and a feeble attempt at damage control. The city of Los Angeles renegotiates with the firefighter union every few years with regard to salaries, health care, etc like any other city does. The MOUs show the breakdown of pay schedules and everything. The latest contract is an increase, sure… but that is routine.

A better characterization is that it is a pay raise for union members. For example, in the 2019-2024 MOU, the pay schedule shows that for the lowest ranking unionized firefighter, they make $71,284 per year, with annual increases. In the 2024-2028 MOU, same position starts at $93,229 with annual increases.

Reviewing the budgets for Los Angeles, here is the amount allocated to fire protection starting with FY2018, which excludes the aforementioned contracts:

FY2018: $657M
FY2019: $676M
FY2020: $687M
FY2021: $732M
FY2022: $750M
FY2023: $781M
FY2024: $835M
FY2025: $814M

As you can see, there was no budget cut to fire protection when the contract was renegotiated back in 2019 for the firefighter union. The only cut is for this fiscal year, under Mayor Bass, and clearly at the protest of her fire chief. So kudos to the fire chief for trying to do what’s right. Knowing how budget negotiations go, her protests would have occurred all the way through the moment the budget was finalized, and then she started raising alarm bells after.

Long story short? You’ll find better journalistic investigation on Neogaf than fucking Politico, and all the other useless online news rags that just regurgitate a source without validating the content of the source. Hold your politicians accountable, and always verify what you are being told. They will look for any way they can to weasel out of accountability.

LA budgets are here: https://cao.lacity.gov/budget/
LA MOUs are here: https://cao.lacity.gov/mous/
LA Fire Chief’s Memo to the Mayor is here: https://clkrep.lacity.org/onlinedocs/2024/24-1600_rpt_bfc_12-17-24.pdf
Well, I suspect the writer of that Politico article knows they are lying. The point is to get it out there so people can run cover for this retard.
 

Dirk Benedict

Gold Member
So, I’ve been seeing articles and even a bit of social media chatter trying to defend Mayor Bass, saying that she didn’t technically cut the budget for fire protection. They all point to an article on Politico, this one specifically:


Interesting! And yet, I smell bullshit, especially since the Los Angeles Fire Chief protested the budget cut and filed a report on 4 December, which was submitted to the Mayor’s office on 17 December. That $50M “increase” they are referencing is this:



So what’s the big deal? It’s an increase! But here’s the kicker. This is not something new, this is something that is routine. Case in point, here is the MOU for the aforementioned contract that covers 2024-2028:

And this is the MOU for 2019-2024:

In other words, the attempt to characterize the contract as a $50M increase for this year for fire protection is not just disingenuous, it’s an outright fucking lie and a feeble attempt at damage control. The city of Los Angeles renegotiates with the firefighter union every few years with regard to salaries, health care, etc like any other city does. The MOUs show the breakdown of pay schedules and everything. The latest contract is an increase, sure… but that is routine.

A better characterization is that it is a pay raise for union members. For example, in the 2019-2024 MOU, the pay schedule shows that for the lowest ranking unionized firefighter, they make $71,284 per year, with annual increases. In the 2024-2028 MOU, same position starts at $93,229 with annual increases.

Reviewing the budgets for Los Angeles, here is the amount allocated to fire protection starting with FY2018, which excludes the aforementioned contracts:

FY2018: $657M
FY2019: $676M
FY2020: $687M
FY2021: $732M
FY2022: $750M
FY2023: $781M
FY2024: $835M
FY2025: $814M

As you can see, there was no budget cut to fire protection when the contract was renegotiated back in 2019 for the firefighter union. The only cut is for this fiscal year, under Mayor Bass, and clearly at the protest of her fire chief. So kudos to the fire chief for trying to do what’s right. Knowing how budget negotiations go, her protests would have occurred all the way through the moment the budget was finalized, and then she started raising alarm bells after.

Long story short? You’ll find better journalistic investigation on Neogaf than fucking Politico, and all the other useless online news rags that just regurgitate a source without validating the content of the source. Hold your politicians accountable, and always verify what you are being told. They will look for any way they can to weasel out of accountability.

LA budgets are here: https://cao.lacity.gov/budget/
LA MOUs are here: https://cao.lacity.gov/mous/
LA Fire Chief’s Memo to the Mayor is here: https://clkrep.lacity.org/onlinedocs/2024/24-1600_rpt_bfc_12-17-24.pdf
Beautiful work. I hope there are people like you investigating this. We need to get to the bottom of it.
 
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