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Felessan
Member
It's just journo are idiots and doesn't understand how to divide 2 numbers clearly stated in financial report.
CFO has as much chances to become CEO as business representative.
And Sony is nowhere to a position of "bleeding", it's now quite successfull across all of it's business.
It's called investing and expanding. It's the only thing cash flow chart indicates - company is in a growth stage.
Unlikely. GaaS continue dominate gaming market, so to stay relevant, especially to the younger crowd (future) Sony have to continue.
And Playstation earn just enough money from 3rd party GaaS to self-sustain their 1st party initiative.
Killjoy-NL
Member
Apart from the drama on forums like Gaf, is there actual drama within Sony?
Or is it just regular business where they want to be more efficient and increase profit-margins, while gamers fabricate some drama because #SonyToo?
yurinka
Member
He didn't say this. As later says in the same article, helping indies is his dream job and what he wants to continue doing.
He explained in several interviews that when he was in charge of 1st party several times asked for an initiative to support indies in several ways because indies had several issues with PS. When Jim Ryan was promoted, Ryan said that he agreed and that he wanted, he would allow him to create and manage such initiative with total freedom. Yoshida liked the ida and Ryan tasked him to create and handle PlayStation Indies.
yurinka
Member
4 of the 6 GaaS they published as part of this initiative are super successful, if Fairgame$ tanks won't change anything. And well, his 2024 games won literally around 200 awards, is the company with the 2024 game that won more gotys, and the company with more awarded games of that year.
He also broke the PS Studios sales records with games released in 4 of the 5 last years. And must be making more money with first party games than ever before. If they promoted him to CEO of a half of SIE is because of something.
They didn't take over anything. Yoshida wanted to move from managing the 1st party games and wanted to do the indies thing. They had to replace him and Hermen was the best candidate.
Same goes with Ryan, he got promoted because he was in charge of SIE Europe back in the PS1 and PS2, and Europe is the region that caused PS to be the insane success it was.
Both Ryan as CEO of SIE and Hermen as head of PS Studios broke many records and did a great job.
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ChorizoPicozo
Member
There was/is definitely drama within Playstation.
Rumor: PlayStation Top Executive Fired Due To Focus On Live Service Games
An industry insider claims that Sony fired one of its most senior executives over a strife caused by its growing focus on live service games.
gamerant.com
the Bungie acquisition also was source of discord between the western side of PlayStation and Japan
Killjoy-NL
Member
There was/is definitely drama within Playstation.
Rumor: PlayStation Top Executive Fired Due To Focus On Live Service Games
An industry insider claims that Sony fired one of its most senior executives over a strife caused by its growing focus on live service games.
the Bungie acquisition also was source of discord between the western side of PlayStation and Japan
A vague article from GameRant isn't exactly proof.
Although I could see some difference in opinions about the Bungie acquisition happening, but it could mean anything, really.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
The articles are not proof, but confirmation. We have been witnessing several restructures in a short time frame within PlayStation.
Killjoy-NL
Member
Well yeah, that doesn't mean there is any drama though.
They all seem to be on the same page, both JP and Western execs.
peish
Member
There’s saying time after your time determines how successful you were during your time
We should judge herman work in the coming years. Not going to let him coast off his predecessors work
ChorizoPicozo
Member
i posted the Connie booth situation too.
yurinka
Member
The first two published games greenlighted by Hermen were Astro Bot (before that Japan Studio was making mobile games, that he cancelled) and Stellar Blade, that Shuhei Yoshida found while scouting indies to support.
Maybe she left because somebody offered more money, or was fired because of not managing properly all these projects that ended cancelled and studios shut down, plus maybe the woke push that caused the different controversies with TLOU2, Concord, and a long etc.
Shawn got butthurted because they did choose Jimbo and not him as SIE CEO, who as the head of the SCE Europe was way more successful than Shawn was as head of SCE America.
They did the right decision by choosing Ryan, as shown in the record metrics posted.
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ChorizoPicozo
Member
Killjoy-NL
Member
I don't know the specific situation, but nobody does.
It's a bit weird to claim it's because of some supposed drama within Sony without any evidence to back it up.
It could be possible, but like I said, all Sony execs seem to be on the same page in general, so it's a bit of a reach, imo.
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Hypereides
Member
Druckmann definitely gained some influence within the company after how big TLOU became for them. Hermen being Hermen probably listened to some of his ideas/advice on how to "improve" their output.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Legendary miss management going on at Sony.
ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
So as always this is manufactured drama?
ChorizoPicozo
Member
It's right there in the video. also we have this:
When you look at the evidence over the years, it's very clear to realize that Sony has been embroiled in power struggles, turmoil, and bad decisions.
TrippleA345
Member
100%, he and others have pushed for the games and the whole platform that many people love, but then this happened
Around 2019, there was massive discussion about the future of Playstation. In the end, someone at Sony (or maybe there was a vote within Sony) made the decision, Jim Ryan your path looks promising (Live Service Games) and you will be granted the leadership position.
Heaven Angel
Member
Jim and Hulst have screwed PS brand badly. It's time to get back to Japan, Sony.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Yoshida says that when Jim Ryan offered him the job, “it was do this or leave the company”
Shuhei Yoshida is one of the most famous names at Sony, having led the company's main game studios for a long time. However, in 2019 the executive left the presidency of PlayStation Studios to lead the company's indie initiative.
Commenting on the matter now, Yoshida says he didn't have much choice in the matter. According to him, when CEO Jim Ryan presented this change, Yoshida could only accept or leave Sony.
Source
I FUCKING HATE JIM RYAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
He is literally praising Jimbo as a great leader in the same freaking inteview.
The quote is taken severely out of context. Basically the whole structure in 2019 was shaken up and first-party management roles were consolidated and due to this somebody from management could've been axed anyway. So Jimbo found a solution to keep almost everyone on the team and found a dream job for Yoshida, job that he did way better than during his firt-party days. Let's not act like Yosp wasn't the guy who underestimated Demon's Souls and closed more internal teams than anyone during his tenure as a 1st party manager.
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Killjoy-NL
Member
I can't watch the video atm, but it's about the struggle within Bungie?
Bungie leadership has been known to be a complete and utter mess and it's probably how Sony got to acquire them in the first place.
Sony taking over isn't exactly proof of a powerstruggle or drama within Sony.
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Fabieter
Member
Japanese people are one of the most respectful people in the world so I wouldn't give a damn about that.
ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
He is calling Jimbo the last great leader. It's more than just courtesy. Stop manufacturing drama where there are none.
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Fabieter
Member
Hulst went out having Bluepoint develop a gow gaas game of all things. Peak incompetence and this guy probably wasted billions already. But yes here we are blaming yoshida
ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
Hulst kept both Bluepoint and Bend open after the project axing and he is not a part of this conversation anyway. Weird fix on Druckmann and Hulst on this forum is so, so tiring.Hulst went out having Bluepoint develop a gow gaas game of all things. Peak incompetence and this guy probably wasted billions already. But yes here we are blaming yoshida
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Fabieter
Member
He basically got yoshidas job and he sucks at it. Don't know how he's not part of the conversation.
kazuyamishima
Member
RetroGamingUK
Member
Never liked the guy from the second he did his first conference.
Glad to see the back of him.
Glad to see someone Japanese back in charge.
Same ol G
Member
Thats just a straight up lie, the game was already in development long before sony payed for exclusivity.
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Da1337Vinci
Member
I though as much tbh but I pray to god that Sony will be more Japanese again due to the lack of success with GAAS.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
LOL
Try asking any former Psygnosis/Studio LIverpool employees about Shu's "kindness" when he was the hatchet man closing them down.
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They said the same this year for 2024 and released some of the best games like Helldivers 2 and a gem like Astrobot. Nothing has changed really.
BbMajor7th
Member
The entire company is not just one person. In a global corporate set-up, global SVPs, VPs, and Directors have oversight of all major business functions. If you know where all those people are based, you have a much clearer idea of who's running things.
Hypereides
Member
Some of these people are really dead set on dying on the hill that the Jimmy & Hermy duo were some of the best shit that ever happened to PS. Its mindboggling. Almost a circus act. Current Sony is what happens when you brought in two marketing stooges to lead creative teams they really weren't qualified to do so.
Its making it making them look rather silly now.
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Physiognomonics
Member
I knew it! He was put to the archives, like Lucius Fox in Batman Begins, by this piece of corporate shit: Jim Ryan. The destroyer of Playstation
Fabieter
Member
I like hd2 but a gaas games which lost like 90% of their playerbase in that year naah. It's good but definitely not all time worthy.
Besides hd2 was made under yoshida.
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If we're doing metrics like sales and CCU drop Bloodborne and Until Dawn didn't exactly set the world on fire either when comparing to 2015. HD2 beat them both there.
Physiognomonics
Member
And AstroBot would have never happened without Yoshida as he was the one who allowed Doucet to come back to Japan and nurtured him into his new position as he knew Doucet was important for Playstation.
Without Yoshida, neither Bloodborne nor AstroBot would have happened. And like you said they bought HD2 under Yoshida's watch. Let's see how Playstation is doing in 4 years. What are the next HD2, the next Bloodborne, are they going to ask Team Asobi to waste their talent on some GAAS project like they did with Naughty Dog, Bend and Bluepoint?
I just saw this edit. What exactly do you mean? He was at the company when they made it but what do you mean under him? He wasn't the one who gave the go ahead to make it if that's what you mean.
ChoosableOne
ChoosableAll
I liked the guy, but I started getting tired of reading his interviews every day. He should become a YouTuber at this point. Glad he hasn’t retired from Yakuza.