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Sony's Shuhei Yoshida: "I'm Sorry I Was Wrong" About PlayStation VR2
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LavitzSlambert
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James Sawyer Ford
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I just hope Sony continues to support continuous VR projects. It may not make them much money, or be particularly popular now, but I think it's important to have it as an option for their ecosystem. It's not a HUGE amount of resources either.
Next-gen if they are going Handheld, you could easily have something where the Handheld disconnects from the controllers (like a Switch) and attaches to the Mobile (wire free) PSVR3 headset. I think that would be a great option, with a wire able to be hooked up directly for higher fidelity play.
Do they need to sink first party resources into it? No. They can just let third parties/indies port their games to it. If VR ever takes off big, they can gradually increase first party support. I'm honestly not disappointed with their current approach, though I will say it baffles me they haven't even bothered to port Astro Bot Rescue Mission. Quite a tragedy there. That's low hanging fruit.
Next-gen if they are going Handheld, you could easily have something where the Handheld disconnects from the controllers (like a Switch) and attaches to the Mobile (wire free) PSVR3 headset. I think that would be a great option, with a wire able to be hooked up directly for higher fidelity play.
Do they need to sink first party resources into it? No. They can just let third parties/indies port their games to it. If VR ever takes off big, they can gradually increase first party support. I'm honestly not disappointed with their current approach, though I will say it baffles me they haven't even bothered to port Astro Bot Rescue Mission. Quite a tragedy there. That's low hanging fruit.
AREYOUOKAY?
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Yet you somehow aren't? Your post right after this one was thisOhh look OP with another negative sony post and the 5th one he's posted in like 2 days. Checking his comment history you can see he's a clear troll with an agenda.
Nintendo Switch Online price increase. Is it justified?
Currently you can buy 1 year of NSO for $20. It seems Nintendo plans to adopt Sony's pricing scheme and maybe remove the cheaper tier? (even if they don't remove it, the price gulf between 20 and 70 is too high, so expect them to increase that too) How is this justified? Adding party chat...
Spare us your hypocrisy if you want us to take your victim complex seriously.
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Humdinger
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All is forgiven, Shu. Please come back.
I miss the old guard. Tretton, House, Shu, Kaz... The new guys are all corporate hacks with no personality. Even Layden was better. Can you imagine the old Kaz gifs with Herman Hulst or Jim Ryan in his place? Meh, hardly. On the MS side, something similar is happening. Phil with his "I'm a gamer, too, bro" t-shirts is fading into the background. It was fake, but at least it was an attempt.
Now it's just suits, suits, suits as far as the eye can see. I find it sad.
I miss the old guard. Tretton, House, Shu, Kaz... The new guys are all corporate hacks with no personality. Even Layden was better. Can you imagine the old Kaz gifs with Herman Hulst or Jim Ryan in his place? Meh, hardly. On the MS side, something similar is happening. Phil with his "I'm a gamer, too, bro" t-shirts is fading into the background. It was fake, but at least it was an attempt.
Now it's just suits, suits, suits as far as the eye can see. I find it sad.
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StreetsofBeige
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They knew what they were doing. I dont think they were ever serious. They werent even that serious with VR1. Sony just assumed the console market would be amped up on VR as it was catching fire with Quest etc... and could get by on typical PC VR games like Beat Sabers again.
Dirk Benedict
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Good. I liked the guy working at Sony.Is Shu out for blood?
Without being completely direct, kind of reads that he is trying to expose wounds. Sony's multiple wounds.
First by pointing out the shitty first party approach Sony's been doing, now this.
It was one of the best eras, the PS4 era.
Everyone else that came after is just wearing Sony's success and fucking failing miserably at carrying the proverbial torch.
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RedC
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Out of curiosity, how was Alien: Rogue Incursion infected by DEI?
Pasta la Vista
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Should have been cordless / standalone (like Meta) and platform agnostic. The perk should have been that it is fully supported on PS consoles.
EDMIX
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Well...I sorta disagree.
I agree people don't care about VR right now, but its because the tech isn't all the way there.
So I think it does matter how good it is. If the tech is lets say perfect, like you put on some wireless headset, no gloves or anything and its able to use some tech to scan your body and your hands are in the game, 1.1 movement, it could of course change a great deal with how people view it and of course the games matter as teams would jump on board if the tech showed deep promise.
Right now the tech just isn't there where its like 1.1 movement in real life or something, but I think that changing will change how much care about it.
Lionel Richie
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ANTI-SNOY AGENDA? Mods, you heard my man, you better do your job lest people think the PSVR2 is ass.
Sebastian1295
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Yet you somehow aren't? Your post right after this one was this
Nintendo Switch Online price increase. Is it justified?
Currently you can buy 1 year of NSO for $20. It seems Nintendo plans to adopt Sony's pricing scheme and maybe remove the cheaper tier? (even if they don't remove it, the price gulf between 20 and 70 is too high, so expect them to increase that too) How is this justified? Adding party chat...www.neogaf.com
Spare us your hypocrisy if you want us to take your victim complex seriously.
Ya nintendos online service is dogcrap or are you going to defend it? I'm a blunt individual and that's how i live my life so sorry for speaking the truth when it comes to nintendo online.
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StreetsofBeige
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Do Switch gamers have to do that thing where if you want to play online with people you got to party up on a phone or something? There was something weird about Switch online gaming which is totally different than the way PC, Xbox and PS gamers do online.Ya nintendos online service is dogcrap or are you going to defend it? I'm a blunt individual and that's how i live my life so sorry for speaking the truth when it comes to nintendo online.
Carmen Winstead
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Is bro coming back for a revival tour to save the PS5 or why are there so many news articles with his name in the last few days?
Sebastian1295
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You can't use voice chat unless you download the nintendo online mobile app and you have to use the app to do party chat as well i believe. The switch online is extremely gimped and basic to put it nicely.
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saintjules
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AREYOUOKAY?
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So that gives you an excuse to post this kind of console warrior garbage?
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Skyfox
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I looked into it at the time and found it had been compromised so I removed the PSVR2 from my basket.
Right now I can’t remember but I think there was a sweet baby writer doing lead narrative or something.
These days I don’t even take half a chance. If the game is listed on woke detector type sites, I’m hard out.
I’m sick of paying for political propaganda that targets my own demographic and hobbies for destruction.
wipeout364
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SPICY, but neogaf is not the best place for posting this kind of stuff.
LimanimaPT
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I think you are wrong. VR fails due to the lack of AAA software, no 1st party support whatsoever and price.
Unfortunalety VR headsets are expensive to make. They can only become mainstream if they sell for 100 bucks tops.
I love VR. Best gaming experiences and amazement I had were with PSVR1 but I haven't got a PSVR2 and probably never will.
Goalus
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It often happens that multiple threads are created based on a single event (Nintendo earnings, Game Awards come to mind). OP is an MVP for informing us about the interview that I would have otherwise never watched.
Wonko_C
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On one hand im kind of glad I dodged a bullet and didn't buy a PlayStation 5. On the other hand I really want to play GT7 and Resident Evil Village and RE4 Remake.
Guess I'll keep playing RE4 classic on my Quest 2 until I can get PS5+PSVR2 dirt cheap.
What was expected but didn't happen is for all Sony 1st party games to be playable both in flatscreen and VR and push for third parties to do the same. (Astro Bot not playable in VR being the final nail in the coffin.) Now with Forza Horizon 5 rumored coming to PS5 imagine how incredible it would be if it was playable on PSVR2.
At this rate Ace Combat 8 and RE9 will most likely forgo PSVR2 entirely.
Guess I'll keep playing RE4 classic on my Quest 2 until I can get PS5+PSVR2 dirt cheap.
What was expected but didn't happen is for all Sony 1st party games to be playable both in flatscreen and VR and push for third parties to do the same. (Astro Bot not playable in VR being the final nail in the coffin.) Now with Forza Horizon 5 rumored coming to PS5 imagine how incredible it would be if it was playable on PSVR2.
At this rate Ace Combat 8 and RE9 will most likely forgo PSVR2 entirely.
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Gamer_By_Proxy
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I'm starting to use my PSVR2 more than ever actually. I'm using it on PC for things like Half Life and Metro, then on PS5 i'm currently using it on Behemoth and Synapse. Then I use my quest for a workout game and Batman.
There's plenty to play imo. Sure it would be better with more first party support and more hybrid games but I get good use out of both of my headsets.
There's plenty to play imo. Sure it would be better with more first party support and more hybrid games but I get good use out of both of my headsets.
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mayham2199
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Wouldn't making a handheld just be trend chasing also?
Is Shu out for blood?
Without being completely direct, kind of reads that he is trying to expose wounds. Sony's multiple wounds.
First by pointing out the shitty first party approach Sony's been doing, now this.
He's just saying what a lot of us have been pointing out for years but the fanboys deny. They can't hide the truth forever.
PatientGamer
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Sony keep making these expensive pehiprehals and the PlayStation faithful keep buying, even when there's no content to support it.
Time to learn one's lesson, me thinks.
Time to learn one's lesson, me thinks.
DeepEnigma
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There are tons and tons of PSVR2 content. New games announced and released weekly. Fantastic experiences as well.
Personally, I'd rather have them stick to the indies and third parties making the games for it, as Shu himself said would be what carries VR, and get their traditional first parties back in order of the PS3/4 days.
Every VR device on the market is indie led for content.
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Klosshufvud
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It wasn't trendy when they were facing the decision to either go VR or continue support handhelds with their smaller studios. Sony chose the safe, trendy option at the time and paid a severe price for it. And have now left a massive market pretty much all to Nintendo.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
But that doesn't really instill a lot of confidence to someone who doesn't own a PSVR device yet, no?
You'd think the company making and selling the peripheral would have the same, if not better, support for it than most.
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DeepEnigma
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Read my edit.
This is the same for every single VR device on the market. Meta doesn't lead their headset with stellar first party investment, neither. Valve or any other. Valve only did 1 game years and years later, and Meta has maybe 1 game that they can count as a banger.
Same could be said for PSVR2 with GT7, which is still the best 'plug and play' seamless VR racing experience out there that doesn't require jumping through hoops to set up.
Shu himself said prior to the PSVR2 launch that VR right now in it's infancy, will be carried heavily by indies & third party investments/partnering, and it has been this way on every VR platform. It's not going anywhere, they profit off of it, and it's well supported with new games announced and released at a constant clip.
It's in no way a traditional gaming device.
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The device is outstanding and the market has great potential as seen with quest 3 topping charts but it needs good support and Sony dropped the damn ball big time this gen. The worst part was its not even backwards compatible with psvr1. Sony is barely able to keep up output with its first-party studios to keep the ps5 fed with its disastrous handling of first parties this gen and the gaas bullshit initiative so supporting another platform was pie-in-the-sky stuff.
XXL
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I don't think so, at least for developing new content or IPs.
Imo, (VR in general) needs to relax on the VRAF stuff and make more VR ports of older games that can still be playable with a controller, like BF3/4, Halo MCC, Killzone 2, Ico, SOTC, TLG and shit like that.
Basically fund easy ports, like they do with remasters and have controller support to make them more accessible.
I would replay all of those immediately in they got VR ports.
Skyrim for example, I've played a million times, but the VR version is extremely transformative and feels like you're playing it again for the first time.
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XXL
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I haven't tried Quest 3, but PSVR 2 is much much better than Quest 2...even as a PCVR headset. So I can't imagine Quest 3 is that much better than it.
Some of the best games of this generation are only on PSVR 2.
Could they support it better? Absolutely, but stop being so hyperbolic.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Going by their past history
PS4>>>>>PSvita
PS4>>>>>>PSVR
PC>>>>>>>PS5/PSVR2
Yep, they just can't do it.
At least the PSportal doesn't need support.
James Sawyer Ford
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Not if their games are all AAA productions.
That’s why VR is basically an indie platform, you can’t justify big $$$ on it
It’s probably better that way, too
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DeepEnigma
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Not sure what the first line has to do with it.
They (Sony) recently shut down a studio that was dedicated to VR games less than a year ago.
Not being able to justify big $$$ I get. The barrier to entry is too high.
James Sawyer Ford
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London studio was huge, had like over 100 people there and they were working on a GaaS, not VR
Indie is smaller than that
Angry_Megalodon
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Astrobot Rescue Mission is the best gaming experience I had last gen and the second-best PS game, only below Bloodborne.
Someone could argue the price is high but living a Super Mario 64 moment again was worth it.
Negotiator
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Don't feel bad, because I know people (fanatic RPG gamers) who bought PS4 just for Bloodborne and nothing else.
