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Shuhei Yoshida: If You Want New First-Party PS5 Games, You Should Support Remasters

LectureMaster

Gold Member
Hey I don't disagree that we need remaster for great games in the past, like you did for Demon's Souls and Shadow of the Colossus.

And I am all on board for OG GoW remaster or a inFamous collection.

But remaster of Horizon Zero Dawn?
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RCU005

Member
Live service initiative: 2019
Intergalactic: The Heretic Prophet: 2020
Ghost of Yotei: 2020
Wolverine: 2020
Astro Bot: 2021
Death Stranding 2: On the Beach: 2021
Lost Soul Aside: 2021
Stellar Blade: 2021
Until Dawn: 2022
LEGO Horizon Adventures: 2023
Every new project? Lol, okay.
Intergalactic: The Heretic Prophet: 2020 - Naughty Dog said before TLOU Part 2 that they were beginning with concepts of new IP
Ghost of Yotei: 2020 - This is a sequel
Wolverine: 2020 - This has been in production before 2020 (pre-production concept, etc). From the leaks it's just Spider-man with Wolverine skin so far (Hopefully it doesn't end up like that)
Astro Bot: 2021 - What else is Asobi is going to do?
Death Stranding 2: On the Beach: 2021 - Not first party
Lost Soul Aside: 2021 - Sony is just funding it. It's not a Sony project.
Stellar Blade: 2021 - Sony just funded it. It's not a Sony project.
Until Dawn: 2022 - A remake.
LEGO Horizon Adventures: 2023 - What else can Guerrilla do? They've become Horizon studio.

Every new project? YES
Every new project from PLAYSTATION STUDIOS has been a Live Service game. You wouldn't be reading about so many live service projects being cancelled if they wouldn't have green lit so many of them. Even BluePoint was doing one! Weren't we all thinking they were making a new IP?

They want a game as successful as Fortnite or Genshin Impact, etc. They will destroy the brand trying to get it. The sad part is, that many believe that if Sony does get lucky with a ultra-successful game, it will serve as a way to fund single player games, but the reality is that they would shift all their focus into continuing making that game, and just like Hoyoverse, they would continue releasing similar games to see what else sticks.
 
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EDMIX

Writes a lot, says very little
Hey I don't disagree that we need remaster for great games in the past, like you did for Demon's Souls and Shadow of the Colossus.

And I am all on board for OG GoW remaster or a inFamous collection.

But remaster of Horizon Zero Dawn?
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Nah, you don't move 25 million plus units and then get shocked they remaster it lol

What would they have to benefit not remastering?

I'd rather have a remake of God Of War imho as this is a old IP and we actually already have a remaster collection of the God Of War titles (the older ones) anything that old I feel is more in remake territory, I'd say same for InFamous

Ceadeus Ceadeus those games are way too old for remasters and design wise, i would make sense for a remake or even sequel to stuff like MAG, Warhawk etc
 
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nial

Gold Member
Intergalactic: The Heretic Prophet: 2020 - Naughty Dog said before TLOU Part 2 that they were beginning with concepts of new IP
Yes, concepts, you need some before you pitch a new project.
Ghost of Yotei: 2020 - This is a sequel
So...?
Wolverine: 2020 - This has been in production before 2020 (pre-production concept, etc). From the leaks it's just Spider-man with Wolverine skin so far (Hopefully it doesn't end up like that)
Same thing as Intergalactic.
Astro Bot: 2021 - What else is Asobi is going to do?
Why would that stop them from counting, at all? BTW, it was a new studio created in 2021 to make SP games.
Death Stranding 2: On the Beach: 2021 - Not first party
Lost Soul Aside: 2021 - Sony is just funding it. It's not a Sony project.
Stellar Blade: 2021 - Sony just funded it. It's not a Sony project.
All are PlayStation Studios projects, first-party resources are explictly used to fund all those titles.
Until Dawn: 2022 - A remake.
Still SP.
LEGO Horizon Adventures: 2023 - What else can Guerrilla do? They've become Horizon studio.
Stupid response and Guerrilla wasn't even the main developer.
Every new project? YES
Every new project from PLAYSTATION STUDIOS has been a Live Service game.
Literally no?
You wouldn't be reading about so many live service projects being cancelled if they wouldn't have green lit so many of them. Even BluePoint was doing one! Weren't we all thinking they were making a new IP?
What does that have to do with anything? You made an absolute statement that is in no way true.
 
]@dragonyeuw[/USER] lol i mean, the only remake Sony have are literally from PS3 gen, what you stated is what they are doing lol

The Last Of Us released on PS3
Demon Souls released on PS3...

The rest of their remasters within 1 gen is what they've done in the past, as the Jak and Daxter Collection, Sly Collection etc all came within 1 gen, so....they are doing what they historically have always done.
I was referring to remastering ( hence using the term) stuff like Horizon Zero Dawn, Until Dawn and a host of other PS4 games that still look great and run on Ps5.

The Last Of Us was remade to align with TLOU2 graphics and as a marketing tool for the show, but there is a PS4 remaster that runs just fine on Ps5.

Demons Souls jumping from Ps3 to Ps5 was not what I was referring to. That game was literally stuck on Ps3 and they decided to bring it forward as an outright remake.
 
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Generic

Member
I have no issue with remasters.

But we don't need remasters of 5 year old games. Sony has a huge library of games and is only remastering PS4 era stuff.

There is a reason nobody has issue with how Capcom is doing it

People would knock down the doors for a GOW Greek saga remaster - they aren't showing up for a 2018 remaster. Naughty Dog remastering the Jak games to modern standards or even Uncharted 1 would be a lot more appealing than remastering TLOU1-2 over and over
Capcom is the most shameful company when it comes to remasters. They re-release their games for every platform including toasts.
 

EDMIX

Writes a lot, says very little
Keep in mind the most ironic part about this whole fucking thing is the company a lot of you guys try to make sound like some cash grab type company with Electronic Arts happens to be one of the publishers that has done some of the least remasters

But when you look at how long it's taking for their games to release it's not like not getting a whole collection of dragon age Made that new game release any sooner

There's not a single battlefield remaster in sight yet clearly it's still fucking taking the same amount of time for a new battlefield to release


Where anyone is putting this correlation between how long a game is coming out and a remastered is beyond me they're not even fucking being made by the same teams , so I'm not trying to be mean but build the fucking correlation in a real interesting conversation can occur, it just sounds like some of you are getting mad that you see a remaster and then think that long development times somehow must be because the remaster existed disregarding they're not even fucking being made by some of the same teams or even by the same amount of people.


You saw ports and remasters during the PS3 gen of

Parasite Eve 1 and 1
Dino Crisis 1 and 2
Resident Evil 1,2,3,4,CV (all of em lol)
DMC collection
FFI, II, IV,V,VI, VII, VIII, IX, X and X-2 remaster
Persona 2,3 and 4
Metal Gear Solid Collection
Silent Hill Collection (smfh)
GTA III, VC and SA
Bully


The point of listing those publishers was to highlight that this is about any publisher seeking extra revenue as this isn't JUST a Sony thing.

Using such slow logic, some could argue that remasters hinder new development. Yet, companies regularly work on ports and remasters alongside new games as they have smaller teams or out sources to port teams.. Entire collections can be restored or remastered, which is faster and easier than developing a new title. These processes are not in conflict as again...they are by different teams and are completely different processes.

Getting upset at a restoration team remastering Titanic in 4K because you want a sequel is wildly misguided, those teams aren’t responsible for new productions as I doubt 10 people are going to make Titanic 2 in 3 months. .Thats like, being mad at reruns of a show doesn’t mean new seasons aren’t being made; the processes are unrelated and have nothing to do with each other.

It seems there’s a massive misconception about how remastering works or a lack of context or comprehension about how it supposedly affects gaming.

I was referring to things like Horizon Zero Dawn, Until Dawn and a host of other PS4 games that still look great and run on Ps5. The Last Of Us also got a Ps4 remaster which of course also runs on PS5.

The Jax and Sly collections are on PS3 and not compatible with Sonys current platforms.
And? You can still think they look great and they can still be remastered for new consumers.

Don't buy it lol

I don't see the big deal here as its not marketed for you, its marketed for new consumers, The Last Of Us PS4 remaster literally sold more units then the PS3 versions. The ability to run it on PS5 has nothing to fucking do with a remake, you can run the remaster of FFVII on PS4 and remake lol Thats like saying Square shouldn't remake FFVII cause you think the original looks just fine.

Continue to think that. Play it, enjoy it, others will buy the remake.

You get to play the original, new consumers get to play the remake. So I fail to see the issue here. You get options, publisher get the extra revenue, new hires get a project to build experience on, whats the issue exactly?

The ports from PS1 to PS3 via PSN are on a fucking system that can play PS1 games natively, yet that didn't stop Square, Capcom, Sega, Sony etc from porting titles to the system, ports and remasters are not fucking made based on NOT being compatible to some current system, that is irrelevant to their existence. I even fucking told some of you this years ago when some of you made some weird ass argument that PS5 being BC would make less remasters lol

Did you guys fucking forget of all those remasters and ports that literally happen on systems with BC? The deepest of lolz
Capcom is the most shameful company when it comes to remasters. They re-release their games for every platform including toasts.
This. Capcom is a great example of a company that does this even more to a wilder degree, yet still in business, still making new games etc. I have no clue where this dumb theory that a remaster is hurting a new game has even come from

Capcom should have zero time to make any new game with all the remasters and ports the put out using some people's weird logic on here.
 

EDMIX

Writes a lot, says very little
That makes too much sense. This is it why it will never happen but we could get another remaster of a PS4 title like Days Gone.
I think you are likely to get a remaster of Days Gone based on it being more recent, as the games listed are much older and I doubt would work as remasters as much as it would make more sense for a full remake


Anything from PS3 gen imho makes more sense for a remake as oppose to a remaster
 
Edmix, you're putting way too much energy into it. You don't think it's that a big a deal, I feel they were superfluous in some cases. Either way who the fuck cares, it is what it is. I commented to comment, not to write dissertations about it for fuck sakes.
 
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EDMIX

Writes a lot, says very little
Edmix, you're putting way too much energy into it. You don't think it's that a big a deal, I feel they were superfluous in some cases. Either way who the fuck cares, it is what it is. I commented to comment, not to write dissertations about it for fuck sakes.
lol I'm just leaving no stone unturned, this is a discussion board after all.

This has been happening for generations, by many publishers, doesn't hurt consumers, helps new hires get their feet wet in the industry and helps fund future projects.

I simply seek logic or at least a rational reason why it would be seen as a negative thing within gaming, when restoration of films, editions of books and re-reruns of shows are not attacked as reasons for not getting a new entry of something.
 
lol I'm just leaving no stone unturned, this is a discussion board after all.

This has been happening for generations, by many publishers, doesn't hurt consumers, helps new hires get their feet wet in the industry and helps fund future projects.

I simply seek logic or at least a rational reason why it would be seen as a negative thing within gaming, when restoration of films, editions of books and re-reruns of shows are not attacked as reasons for not getting a new entry of something.
Ok well, I wish you well turning those stones and seeking logic on the topic at hand.
 

CJ_75

Member
I don't know if you're implying that games will become $100 if remasters don't sell well?

I honestly wouldn't care if I paid $100 for a quality title. I actually think games are cheap for $60 and $70, and most games I buy are well below $60.
It was not rocket science. That is indeed what I was implying. $100 games means games will become out of reach for many. And quality is not guaranteed.
Games are extremely expensive to make and it just takes time. The industry have found a way to fund their next big project.
They are not forcing anyone to buy them. If you can support them, like me, go ahead and that quality title will eventually drop and you don't have to pay $100 for it.
 

Fess

Member
Is it just me, or are the higher ups just keep saying/doing the wrong things lately at Sony?

I expect that shit from the dummies at Xbox, but Sony is sitting right there sharing a seat on the short bus with Xbox.
Xbox isn’t flooded with remasters, and the result is fewer games. I don’t know if that is any better.

As a PC gamer I like getting the improved versions of great PS games with expansions included. I’ve bought almost all of them, I wish the delays were shorter but 1 year is not too bad if I get extra content like with Forbidden West.
If I was PS-only I would no doubt be grumpy.
 

Kumomeme

Member
Horizon Zero Dawn is a remaster...


The Last Of Us 1 remake was after almost 10 years after release....

So...this whole shit about "make sense"

Based on what? What standard of release are we talking about and in regards to new consumers, why should they give a fuck about the gap of how long the release was for you of something they've never played or owned?

You don't need to buy any of those games twice and if you want that gap longer, just wait 5 years and then buy it lol
my bad. i mean remaster. sorry for the typo.
 

llien

Member
Fuck you. I have no words
Single Activision game makes Sony 3-5 times more money than THE BEST SELLING game by its own studio.

It's not "I entered this side-business because I shat my pants" to Sony, like it is to Microsoft (who feared Playstation could end its Windoze dominance, yes really). It cannot just pump this business indefinitely, it needs to make money.

GoW on PC is a forced measure by a company that struggles for survival.
 

DGrayson

Mod Team and Bat Team
Staff Member
So basically - we don't want to take any financial risks. New games are expensive. Help us offset potential losses by buying remakes.

Fine, but don't expect that request to make anyone take you seriously. It's up to the company to manage the finances we just want good games preferably NOT remakes.
 

rkofan87

Gold Member
Xbox isn’t flooded with remasters, and the result is fewer games. I don’t know if that is any better.

As a PC gamer I like getting the improved versions of great PS games with expansions included. I’ve bought almost all of them, I wish the delays were shorter but 1 year is not too bad if I get extra content like with Forbidden West.
If I was PS-only I would no doubt be grumpy.
its not.
 

Fess

Member
ps5 worst playstation ever please play old games i loved sony what happen my friends??
AAA(A) happened. Not just Sony this is an industry wide problem. Big studios have multiple teams working in parallell but expect 5+ years until you see a new game from the same dev team, means you’ll see 1 game per console generation per team.
 
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