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[Primethius]

It's beyond possible that Sony boosts the specs at this point, right?

It was beyond possible, I think, when fans started fantasizing about what they wanted the Pro to be rather then what the Pro was actually trying to be.

 

[KyanMehwulfe]

Any idea if PS Share will still capture and stream at 720p?

 

[RedAssedApe]

Any idea if PS Share will still capture and stream at 720p?

according to polygon:

The PlayStation 4 Pro will grab 4K screenshots and capture 1080p video at 30 frames per second when using the Share button, PlayStation officials tell Polygon.

The console, which hits in November for $399, will also support 1080p video at 60 frames per second for broadcasting, remote play and share play, depending on the network environment, according to the spokesperson.

Broadcast and streaming will depend on the service provider.

YouTube/Dailymotion will support up to 1080p at 60 fps depending on users’ network environment, while Twitch will support up to 1080p at 30fps.

The original PlayStation 4 captures screens at 1080p and records video at 720p at 30 fps.

 

[Yurikerr]

I mean, you can't firmware update to boost the GPU clock or anything. It's in production, and likely has been for a couple of months. A friend on FB is telling me that they could update the system to get better performance next yr to counter Scorpio, but I've never heard of a GPU getting a boost via firmware.

Boosting the GPU (if the silicon is even capable of supporting it) would lead to higher temperatures and power consumption. They system would have been engineered to be prepared to take on this added factors, which would make the original decision of running the console at a downclocked state really idiot.

If I'm not wrong PSP got a mild cpu clock upgrade between firmwares (I don't really remember), but that's the only case I know of.

 

[RedAssedApe]

Boosting the GPU (if the silicon is even capable of supporting it) would lead to higher temperatures and power consumption. They system would have been engineered to be prepared to take on this added factors, which would make the original decision of running the console at a downclocked state really idiot.

If I'm not wrong PSP got a mild cpu clock upgrade between firmwares (I don't really remember), but that's the only case I know of.

thats a little different because iirc they tested it at the higher clock speed and it was fine but ended up downclocking it to save battery life. they unlocked it later to give devs more to work with.

 

[KyanMehwulfe]

according to polygon:

oooooh thanks for finding or linking that haha i'm definitely grabbing one now

 

[Yurikerr]

thats a little different because iirc they tested it at the higher clock speed and it was fine but ended up downclocking it to save battery life. they unlocked it later to give devs more to work with.

Yeah, but I think the hypothesis that he's talking about would need to be the same way.

Sony would need to know that the console could run at, lets say, 5TF and purposely chose to set it at 4.2TF at launch who knows why.

If the system wasn't tested at the higher clock and they just choose to turn it up, It would be the worst shot in the foot that I can imagine. Just picture millions of PS4 Pros suddenly frying because the overclock was too much.

 

[lifeexpectancy]

Something something 1.5 PS4s duct taped together....


In seriousness though the GPU boost is pretty sizeable, but can someone more savvy on tech specs break down wheher the CPU will be a bottleneck since it is just an overclocked base PS4 cpu? I sold my launch PS4 about a year ago and was thinking of getting back in with the Neo (aint using that shitty pro moniker), but might hold off for a price drop if the CPU is going to hamstring the system at all.

Like can they take full andvantage of the GPU? Is the CPU more for physics and the GPU more for eye candy?

 

[NateDrake]

Yeah, but I think the hypothesis that he's talking about would need to be the same way.

Sony would need to know that the console could run at, lets say, 5TF and purposely chose to set it at 4.2TF at launch who knows why.

If the system wasn't tested at the higher clock and they just choose to turn it up, It would be the worst shot in the foot that I can imagine. Just picture millions of PS4 Pros suddenly frying because the overclock was too much.

Basically this. My bud is saying Sony could up the PS4 Pro to Scorpio level via firmware updates. Though I thought the PSP clock boost was with a new model that allowed games like God of War to have decreased loading time.

 

[wege12]

So do you have to buy PS Pro specific game discs?

 

[icespide]

So do you have to buy PS Pro specific game discs?

no plays the same games

 

[Bad_Boy]

Just got this e-mail from Gamestop...this is the best we're gonna get huh. I'm predicting only $100 by launch :[

Damn it was $200 for a trade in, just 2 weeks ago.

 

[labx]

No you don't need 4k display..Sony made it clear that devs can utilize Pro the way they want...better assets better fps or anything.

It's a PS4 with a GPU that's a little over 2x as powerful. with a 1080p TV, you'll still end up with better framerates and detail, even if you don't change the resolution- provided you're playing a game that takes advantage of it which is everything released after october, and a few games (likely first party) released before then via patch.

if that's worth it to you then drop the $399.

Thank you both!

 

[Lakerchick4life]

Damn it was $200 for a trade in, just 2 weeks ago.

That is why if I sell mine I am going to sell it on amazon..used is going for 230 right now for the 500gb..I upgraded my hard drive to the 2TB ST2000LM003 just need to know if I can put that drive into the new PS4..if I can I will sell it for sure but closer to release date..I want to see what the black friday deals will be

 

[Trojan X]

Neo = A very cool name made by the creative people and can easily be mentioned by kids and be seen as super cool by people of all ages and both gender.
Pro = A generic name. It's not bad. It's works. However, there are better options.


Well. That sums up Sony (and most companies these days) internal mindset in respect to generic marketing team and executives ruling over creative personnel. We'll never have another cool sounding name like the Megadrive, Genesis, Famicom, Saturn, Master System, Neo-Geo or even the almight Dreamcast. Let the generic world continue...

 

[mf.luder]

Did they talk about software 4.00 at all?

 

[hydragonwarrior]

It was beyond possible, I think, when fans started fantasizing about what they wanted the Pro to be rather then what the Pro was actually trying to be.

10 TFlops/4k/60FPS or give me death!

 

[spekkeh]

Neo = A very cool name made by the creative people and can easily be mentioned by kids and be seen as super cool by people of all ages and both gender.
Pro = A generic name. It's not bad. It's works. However, there are better options.


Well. That sums up Sony (and most companies these days) internal mindset in respect to generic marketing team and executives ruling over creative personnel. We'll never have another cool sounding name like the Megadrive, Genesis, Famicom, Saturn, Master System, Neo-Geo or even the almight Dreamcast. Let the generic world continue...

Because it worked wonders for Wii U. I think Sony is 100% right to be as clear about this as possible, to prevent confusion over whether it is an upgrade, or a new console, as happened with with Wii U. PS4 Pro clearly messages that this is an upgrade for people who want one. It's nice for me too, because now I know I can stick with my PS4 Noob. I would've anyway, but the messaging of the name eases my mind.

 

[Fbh]

So I didn't get to see the event live and I have one big question.

Did Sony mention or hint at the fact that this will be the future of PlayStation? Newer more powerful consoles that will be backwards compatible with your games and accessories?

Because that's really what I needed to be sold on the Ps4 pro. I don't mind the upgrade but if 2-3 years from now they announce the PS5 and I can once again throw all my games and accessories in the garbage (not literally but you get what I mean) and start buying new ones I would rather just switch to PC

 

[Primethius]

So I didn't get to see the event live and I have one big question.

Did Sony mention or hint at the fact that this will be the future of PlayStation? Newer more powerful consoles that will be backwards compatible with your games and accessories?

Because that's really what I needed to be sold on the Ps4 pro. I don't mind the upgrade but if 2-3 years from now they announce the PS5 and I can once again throw all my games and accessories in the garbage (not literally but you get what I mean) and start buying new ones I would rather just switch to PC

There were no hints but Sony seems to be intent on keeping generations. Better switch to PC.

 

[toastyToast]

Just catching up on this now. Is there gonna be 60fps Bloodborne? I'll buy one of there is

 

[Pathfinder]

Did they talk about software 4.00 at all?

If they did, I don't think anyone really noticed.

 

[labx]

Someone can explain me why people are going to buy a ps4 slim if they can have the pro for 100 bucks?

 

[Falk]

Someone can explain me why people are going to buy a ps4 slim if they can have the pro for 100 bucks?

it's 100 bucks

 

[Alx]

Neo = A very cool name made by the creative people and can easily be mentioned by kids and be seen as super cool by people of all ages and both gender.
Pro = A generic name. It's not bad. It's works. However, there are better options.

Pro is bad because it doesn't make sense. iPad pro or Surface pro are fine, because they claim you can use them for work. What does PS4 Pro have to do with any professional context ?

 

[Gskyace]

Just attended Asia session,

Last one is photoshopped

 

[MrCunningham]

I don't know if this has been posted yet? But first impressions of the PS4 Pro from Mark at Classic Game Room: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ta1OETqR5Y

 

[killatopak]

Just in time. Right before my birthday.

Just attended Asia session,

Girl on the right is hot. Might get her instead on my birthday.

 

[Phear]

I need to know more about the gains on a 1080p screen, since i'm not upgrading my TV in the next 2-3 years.

 

[wapplew]

Just attended Asia session,

Wrong focus here.

 

[Inuhanyou]

I need to know more about the gains on a 1080p screen, since i'm not upgrading my TV in the next 2-3 years.

It will be whatever devs want to do. Regardless, you'll see a significant difference on your television.

Devs can have more than one option for using this power

 

[televator]

On a side opinion: the design is ugly. Xbone S turned the table.

 

[Coxy100]

it's 100 bucks

This.

I really don't understand why so many people keep posting over and over "why would anyone get the Slim when this is only $100 more?"

Stop living in your own bubble and understand their are so many consumers out there.

I'm not paying that extra £100 because I don't have a 4K TV and have no intention of buying one for years - by then PS5 will be out. My £100 can be spent on games or frankly stuff that has nothing to do with games - like on my daughter or wife. To me that £100 is a waste of money

It's not rocket science...

 

[Benjamin1981]

Are there any photos of the back showing the hdd slot? The drive must be user replaceable.

 

[Melchiah]

While I'm not a big fan of the design, I like these PS symbols on the side, where the circle is a headset/microphone jack.

There's more on the bottom:

EDIT:

Are there any photos of the back showing the hdd slot? The drive must be user replaceable.

Here you go:

 

[NewDust]

While I'm not a big fan of the design, I like these PS symbols on the side, where the circle is a headset/microphone jack.

Pretty sure it's not... I think it's just a sunken screw hole.

 

[Hydrargyrus]

Just attended Asia session,

Those DS4 are new.

These doesn't have the back coloured in black, are completely red and blue.

Btw, what kind of power cable uses?, seems a lot bigger than the usual but is not a 3 pin power cable

 

[vanDoughnut]

I was expecting the design to be a bit different than the slim. Not bad though.

And Pro is a name for the normies, so I get why they did it. Neo would freak them out, would be pretty cool though.

 

[Melchiah]

Pretty sure it's not... I think it's just a sunken screw hole.

Could be that as well.

 

[Wind's Howling]

Great console, good price and a decent upgrade from the base console. It would cost me another 400 to get an upgraded version if my PS4 would die.

I don't mind. It is not like I am going to miss out on all these great Pro exclusives.

 

[Loudninja]

Pros:

• HDR
• 4k support for games *upscale*
• All games will run in 1080p resolution, and some will even run in a higher or more stable framerate
• 1080p60 RemotePlay/SharePlay
• Will support 1080p video at 60 frames per second for broadcasting
• 4K screenshots
• Usb port on the back
• Netflix 4k support
• Enhanced support for PSVR
• 5GHz Wi-Fi. support

Cons:

• No 4K Blu-Ray

Could be missing alot of stuff so please correct me.

 

[robotrock]

Pros:

• HDR
• 4k support for games *upscale*
• All games will run in 1080p resolution, and some will even run in a higher or more stable framerate
• 1080p60 RemotePlay/SharePlay
• Will support 1080p video at 60 frames per second for broadcasting
• 4K screenshots
• Usb port on the back
• Netflix 4k support

Cons:

• No 4K Blu-Ray

Could be missing alot of stuff so please correct me.

HDR is being supported on the other PS4s now so maybe it's not a much of a Pro for the Pro

 

[ZeroX03]

Super annoyed the glowing light is still on there. I liked that it was mostly removed from the Slim. I don't need an orange glow in my room while I'm trying to sleep and it's downloading.

 

[RealityCheque]

From the original sublime design to pug-fugly.

 

[FHIZ]

Has there been any word on the harddrives in the system other than the 1TB size? Wondering what the connection is and if given the size of that thing, we can use potentially larger drives that are physically bigger than the 9.5mm limit on the current ones.

 

[scsa]

Seems like everybody in the industry knew of Pro launch in November.
MS announced Scorpio 6TF etc, at E3, just as a reaction and to make the system (Pro) look under powered in comparison.

Business wise Sony seems to have made the right move, will enjoy a one year competition free sale head start and cost advantage, before moving onto PS5.

 

[mikehandsdown]

 

[brawly]

Any word on changeable HDD? Want to keep using my 1TB SSHD.

 

[michaelius]

I mean, you can't firmware update to boost the GPU clock or anything. It's in production, and likely has been for a couple of months. A friend on FB is telling me that they could update the system to get better performance next yr to counter Scorpio, but I've never heard of a GPU getting a boost via firmware.

AMD did that once with orginal 7970 release when they released new bioses that pushed their clocks up and even added turbo mode.

 

[Wabba]

Is it possible to open it and plug in the 2TB harddrive that i already have in my PS4?