March Climber
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Lame or not, things are much more fun and engaging when people acknowledge there are actually two sides to this, instead of doing this strange song and dance(that is outdated at this point):
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The drama is DUMB on both side of the woke/anti-woke extreme spectrums - KCD 2 boycott
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Buggy Loop
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Cyberpunkd
Member
I don’t think you read my post correctly. Also - who cares about videogames?
Kacho
Gold Member
Yeah, I don’t think KCD2 classifies as woke. The drama seems to be driven by a small group of people and it’s not really catching on. KCD2 has been doing phenomenally well from what I’ve seen.
kingwingin
Member
You didn’t deny it thoAnd here we have a specimen
Grizzled Ghost
Member
Ah, come on, that's a good pun.
ChorizoPicozo
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Killjoy-NL
Member
Some people are too narrow-minded to realize that the moment you oppose something, two sides exist.
DryvBy
Gold Member
I've been saying this for a while. There's the woke and anti woke mobs. Both are grifters and brainwash simple people.
If some needs to see a good example of anti-woke that's annoying, watch the ambulance chasing The Quartering YouTube videos. He makes everything a mountain. The problem with that is that when there is a mountain, you're already at the mountain top because you've never left.
If some needs to see a good example of anti-woke that's annoying, watch the ambulance chasing The Quartering YouTube videos. He makes everything a mountain. The problem with that is that when there is a mountain, you're already at the mountain top because you've never left.
Kadve
Member
Nah. Do one where he is a woman acting the same towards guys and watch the sparks fly!
keefged4
Member
So much edge. Maybe educate yourself a wee bit before making a tit of yourself online?
Perhaps watch this:
Buggy Loop
Member
Deny what?
Is the video the paid shill? I am the paid shill?
Where's my fucking money then? lol
Why would I debunk retarded statements?
Grizzled Ghost
Member
Shake it, sir.
The Gamer Triple H
Gold Member
Upper Echelon made a complete ass of himself during that video. He clearly doesn't completely understand the issue at hand and did very little, if any, research on the topic. People are rightly criticizing his poorly thought out, half assed opinion on the topic. He was better off not releasing the video in the first place.
Within the first 30 seconds of the video he referred to those complaining about the controversy as "idiots". So much for arguing in good faith.
As for this KDC2 woke/non woke argument.
Ubisoft is crucified by gamers for their portrayal of Japan(and Yasuke specifically) for not being historically accurate. Most gamers agree, with the exception of a tiny minority who will always scream racist/bigots ect. And i suspect that most will defend japan and the japanese in this case, because they are non-white, and there will be less backlash because of it.
Warhorse adds Musa of Mali to KCD2, a character not based on any historical figure at that time, and a select few call it out. Mind you, Warhorse prides themselves on their historical accuracy, especially during the pre release days of KCD1. Instead of the same standards being applied in this case, a MAJORITY have decided that criticism of this character is likely due to racism. And that the "anti woke" have gone too far.
I expected this response because those who argue against his inclusion are white. That's it.
Does Warhorse get a pass because the consensus is that the game is good? Is that it? What is the difference?
Within the first 30 seconds of the video he referred to those complaining about the controversy as "idiots". So much for arguing in good faith.
As for this KDC2 woke/non woke argument.
Ubisoft is crucified by gamers for their portrayal of Japan(and Yasuke specifically) for not being historically accurate. Most gamers agree, with the exception of a tiny minority who will always scream racist/bigots ect. And i suspect that most will defend japan and the japanese in this case, because they are non-white, and there will be less backlash because of it.
Warhorse adds Musa of Mali to KCD2, a character not based on any historical figure at that time, and a select few call it out. Mind you, Warhorse prides themselves on their historical accuracy, especially during the pre release days of KCD1. Instead of the same standards being applied in this case, a MAJORITY have decided that criticism of this character is likely due to racism. And that the "anti woke" have gone too far.
I expected this response because those who argue against his inclusion are white. That's it.
Does Warhorse get a pass because the consensus is that the game is good? Is that it? What is the difference?
Bernardougf
Member
.. there are two sides.. but trying to automatically say that the two sides are bad specially when you never spoken against the other is curious to say the least... and that is happening alot here, and is easy to see who is doing it.
Nazism is bad (even though I never said this until now) .. but have you seen that anti-nazis ? Damn they are really annoying.
Is pretty much what I see in this current situation.
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
A LOT more was added since then
This is crazy. Straight grifting.
Killjoy-NL
Member
Not sure what you mean, but I say the exact same thing about Woke as I say about anti-Woke, if that's what you were referring to.
Okay, so antifa aren't morons?
phant0m
Member
As I've said countless times on this forum.
Upper Echelon said it better than I could ever. Both sides are an embarrassment to gamers. The Hogwarts Legacy cancel attempt or the KCD 2 boycott. Both utterly dumb.
Do watch the video 100% to see the thread of grifting
Grifters are farming for extreme reactions. The fact that KCD2 of all games even gets boycott talk says it all how at the bottom of the barrel youtube comment sections has become (and leaking to hardcore forums like here sadly)
"get woke, go broke"
"100% non-buy-nary"
Much like flat earthers, you find a community and you get your dopamine hits from peoples you suddenly find are like you and talk to you. Oh a little mean one-liner and you get hundreds of likes. You truely understand the dynamics of society with just a few one-liners like go woke go broke and a huge echo chamber in the youtube grifter's comment section all tapping themselves on the back and upvoting any flock mentality comment that doesn't deviate from the channel. You found your little hole in society right? Using logic and trying to argue in good faith, that's too much fucking typing and no easy upvotes. Why would brain go for hard things? Easy dopamine hits.
Its quite sad. What even is this generation of gamers? So much black and white. Drama farming. Its tiring.
That post by Yorch Torch is one of the most retarded takes I’ve ever seen on the internet.
- Warhorse already said they made their money back after day 1.
- The game is set in medieval Bohemia and is largely very historically accurate, which is just about as far from fuckin woke as you can get.
- The black character they don’t like (Mansa of Mali) was a real West African chief from that time period.
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Bernardougf
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I wasn't talking specially about you ... just about what I see happening here with some users bashing the "anti-woke"
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Killjoy-NL
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P:axMagellanic
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Aye.
I'm not interested in games that peddle out of place bumblasting. Or absurd 'characters' that lecture Europeans on how shit and stupid they are as a people, culturally, historically, or the push of cuckoldry. I see enough of that in the real world that I've simply developed a tolerance against it at this point... I mean I'm 37 so this has been a near lifelong exposure by now lol. The problem with this game personally is that it claims to be historical, something which I hold of tremendous importance. If it was fantasy I wouldn't care half as much or even at all. (depending on the setting)
If this game is truly amazing, I'll wait a couple of years and pick it up for like £3 quid or something, or for free off EGS. That gives plenty of time for the usual retarded gamer zeitgeist to calm down... Chances are it's probably not that incredible and I would have forgotten about it anyway.
Vavra handled it like a bit of a cunt however, so that didn't help.
Mack has been melting down like a loon in his comments section, he ran the MafiaWorld fansite back in the day and had Illusion Softworks (vavra's) cock slid halfway down his gullet for 20+ years at this point.
Bernardougf
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Really dont know much about antifa to speak about them.
OGM_Madness
Member
KCD2 being a success is not because it got woke. It’s because the first game was janky and the sequel fix and polish a lot of the jank and improved on a lot of what made the first game a cult classic.
The game is also not gay-on-your-face with the marketing, so I wonder how many players bought the game not knowing it had some gayness and wonder how that will impact a potential KCD3 in the future.
That said, this game reminds me of Hogwarts Legacy, that game was actually attacked by the woke crowd, however, the game itself had a bunch of queer moments and type A/type B situations that made me roll my eyes. But I’m quite tolerant and it’s not like I’ll actively seek gay content, but if a show shows two men kissing, I’ll just roll my eyes and continue breathing.
The game is also not gay-on-your-face with the marketing, so I wonder how many players bought the game not knowing it had some gayness and wonder how that will impact a potential KCD3 in the future.
That said, this game reminds me of Hogwarts Legacy, that game was actually attacked by the woke crowd, however, the game itself had a bunch of queer moments and type A/type B situations that made me roll my eyes. But I’m quite tolerant and it’s not like I’ll actively seek gay content, but if a show shows two men kissing, I’ll just roll my eyes and continue breathing.
Guilty_AI
Member
Is there an actual boycott though? Remember with hogwarts legacy there was resetera actively boycotting the game, people who bullied content creators into not covering the game as well as "joirnalists" who outright refused to play it.
All i see of KCD2 are people pointing out this and that and thats about it. Unless i see anything on the previous scale this is absolutely a false equivalency.
phant0m
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Mansa Musa - Wikipedia
You sure about that champ? It’s a few years before the exact tine set in the game but it’s certainly from that time period.
S0ULZB0URNE
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Bernardougf
Member
Millions of players of very different origins buy games.. saying that any group whatsoever can organize a real boycott to some game is reaching very very deep...
kingwingin
Member
Why get angry and still continue dance around the paid shill comment?
You started off with both sides, brought up Harry Potter then proceeded to spend the 95% of your post posting memes how people who don’t buy it are dumb, equating them to flat earthers.
Your intentions with this thread are very obvious.
ShadyAcshuns
Member
Sorry, I'm all for boycotting woke bullshit and eradicating AAA gaming as we currently know it. These activists need to be flushed right the hell out of this industry for good, if it is to be saved at all.
Buggy Loop
Member
Automatically? Who is doing it? I came back here because the other side went fucking mental with Cyberpunk 2077. I'm very disappointed to see now the same playbook for anything that doesn't have Henry Cavill space marine vibes.
It didn't spawn out of nowhere. Look at the statements they make on KCD 2.
Just look at the list they come up with
Woke Content Detector's Curated List of Games
What even is this insanity of a list?
Buggy Loop
Member
LOL, yea you got it Sherlock. I get paid for this
Still waiting on my Warhorse payment
What a fucking clown you are.
Wildebeest
Member
If the game was made in Russia or China they would be silent like stones.
keefged4
Member
Right, fair point, but it's not to say he's incorrect in what he's saying about KCD2. I'm about as "anti-woke" as you can get, against all the DEI shite that's in games thesedays, but to put KCD2 in the same bracket as Veilguard or Dustborn is retarded. If you don't want to see any of the gay shit in the game, then don't make gay decisions. The whole thing is overblown to fuck. It's a shame, the game is fucking amazing.
Guilty_AI
Member
They did it with HW, industry insiders who browse resetera, content creators who were unable to play it due to activists bullying them, articles on news sites about the game calling it "problematic" and such.
What is there for KCD2? A couple of tweets saying some character felt forced or lack of church interiors? The scale is completely different. Fuck off with this "both sides" bullshit.
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Fess
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Nah. The woke side wanted unrealistic representation to the point where white and straight became rare, especially female characters, and an organized mob went out on witch hunts literally trying to ruin people’s lives if they spoke up against that movement. Gaming media was part of it too and slammed devs for not adding representation and cranked up review scores whenever possible if a dev was folding nicely. And you had sweet baby inc there outright hating on white straight gamers, and esg scores, and you had Reseteta where it was almost impossible to survive unbanned when not growing up in a progressive area and understanding where the lines where.
There is no equivalent to those extremes on the ”anti-woke” side, or plain normal side as I would call it. It’s just regular gamers no longer bending down when dei-woke agendas are shoehorned into games to the point you get lectured over it. And they vote with their wallet. The most organized thing there is the person informing about sweet baby inc involvement on Steam.
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Bernardougf
Member
You are choosing to find the crazy shit you can to brand a whole movement in this crazyness... crazy people will always exist.. it dosent invalidate a whole movement or cultural shift... and any game be what it is will sell on its own merit... BG3 , HGL , there are many examples ... so some people target a game you like .. tough luck.. but as I see the game still is selling very well.. so whats the big deal ?Automatically? Who is doing it? I came back here because the other side went fucking mental with Cyberpunk 2077. I'm very disappointed to see now the same playbook for anything that doesn't have Henry Cavill space marine vibes.
It didn't spawn out of nowhere. Look at the statements they make on KCD 2.
Just look at the list they come up with
Woke Content Detector's Curated List of Games
docs.google.com
What even is this insanity of a list?
Grizzled Ghost
Member
Yeah that was a weird one. I remember the part I really found funny was that, in the 1990's, the school faculty was exclusively white British people, but in the 1890s almost every instructor was from Africa/Asia/The Middle East.
They really weren't messing around with any "Dark Wizards" after that whole Voldemort debacle,
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Hawk The Slayer
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Anti Woke are mostly normal people who are fed up with all the bullshit, there are actual extreme exceptions but even the most extreme are never as bad as the woke shit. At most they are just annoying and complain the most while the other side not only have those same traits but they also push or try to normalize the most insane and twisted things that shouldn't even be debates in the first place. So for that reason alone the "anti woke" will never be as bad, not even close. Anyone who says otherwise or tries to go with the both sides thing are either they really don't know anybody or they secretly support the insanity and corruption from the woke which is the majority of those that says it.
Also haven't seen this game get attacked, I know I'll probably find people attacking this game before release but the fact that I didn't notice it while I notice things like Veilguard being attacked even without searching for it shows that only a very small percent were even hating on this game while a good amount of people disliking something like Veilguard.
Also haven't seen this game get attacked, I know I'll probably find people attacking this game before release but the fact that I didn't notice it while I notice things like Veilguard being attacked even without searching for it shows that only a very small percent were even hating on this game while a good amount of people disliking something like Veilguard.
Agreed for the most part but I have seen some extreme cases which is very rare like I have actually seen someone not wanting Eve in Stellar Blade cause the poster said he hates female characters and wanted to play as a man, this was on the stellar blade subreddit. And another time where I was somehow called woke because I said I wouldn't mind female space marines if she's hot and cool on the steam forum. But again these are rare cases and still isn't worse than the woke side.
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Killjoy-NL
Member
Meanwhile, half of Gaf has a mental breakdown over pronouns in a game.
Kacho
Gold Member
Nailed it.
Hugare
Member
Maybe, just maybe, theres a *tiny* difference between the relevance and presence of Yasuke and Musa for their respective games which would explain people's response.
One is a main character that you'll play for the entirety of the game, and present on marketing material everywhere, and the other is a side character.
Let that sink in for a bit
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yeah total retards,
honestly it was an incredible feat to be more annoying than woke-crowd, and somehow these morons managed it in record time.
kudos!
i enjoyed the reality check of their reach though lol
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Mansa Musa - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org
You sure about that champ? It’s a few years before the exact tine set in the game but it’s certainly from that time period.
Do people not know Mansa Musa is a real person or something? How can this be possible?
Kacho
Gold Member
For sure. Melonie Mac is a great example of this. Someone who carved out a niche by leaning into extreme Christian values. But in grand scheme, she is irrelevant and doesn't reach the broader anti-woke group like Asmongold does.
Hawk The Slayer
Member
Yep and people are more tried of the bullshits now because people know that even letting some minor amount of insanity be passed will only allow them to continue to sneak in more and more crazy and wicked shit down the line. It's how we even got to this point in the first place where the most upside down and insane shits could even be debatable when those should never have even been debatable in the first place. But threads like these are a good place to see how people reply and whether or they are among the insane and sick resetera crowd secretly.