How was the tea party funded and how was it propped up?
Obama had record breaking turnout. I can tell you why personally for me voting in 2010 was much less exciting than voting in 2008.
so.... okay. why?
(I'm genuinely curious!)
How was the tea party funded and how was it propped up?
Obama had record breaking turnout. I can tell you why personally for me voting in 2010 was much less exciting than voting in 2008.
I absolutely love Condorcet method. I wish we would do it. :/ Fat chance tho.The only way a >two-party system can work is if we implement a second-choice-candidate system that lets you vote for a third-party candidate, but if they do not win, allow you to have a second choice of a Democrat or Republican. This would make people less afraid of voting for a candidate who has a lower chance of winning, but also avoid the risk that it could hurt the main party that you favour.
And if you want to change that, you know what you have to do?
Engage in politic and make your candidate at the local/state level be elected so that your representative can change this.
Or you can sit on your ass and complain that you don't like your president.
Hillary is not entitled to anyone's vote.
I want names. I want studies and research into historical trends and voting patterns on the positive influence of third party presidential candidates in United States history.
"I'm voting Sanders, but if he doesn't win the primaries I'm not voting for Hilary or Trump. My state is red anyway, so it won't matter."
I voted Nader in 2000 and have no regrets.
I wonder if anyone has gone back and interviewed Nader voters from 2000 and asked them, today, if they would've voted differently if they would've known what followed...
Let me nip this a bit in the bud by saying that Nader voters are not solely responsible for W getting elected. The Supreme Court had a bigger hand in that.
You know, the same Supreme Court that will likely have 2 maybe 3 seats needing to be filled in the next 4-8 years
How was the tea party funded and how was it propped up?
Obama had record breaking turnout. I can tell you why personally for me voting in 2010 was much less exciting than voting in 2008.
They thought he was too black.
I absolutely love Condorcet method. I wish we would do it. :/ Fat chance tho.
I voted Nader in 2000 and have no regrets.
There is for the voter who you think should've changed that "0 vote for Clinton" into "1 vote for Clinton." You don't get to tell someone they have to do that. Sorry.there is no real difference between 1 vote for Trump and 0 vote for Clinton and 2 votes for Trump and 1 vote for Clinton.
Florida wouldn't have mattered if he hadn't lost his home state. A state that the democrats had won the prior two cycles.
*nods* The only people who could reasonably enact a change are the people who stand to be harmed by the change. It would take civil unrest to push it through, and I don't know that people would get upset enough to take it that far.
I wonder if anyone has gone back and interviewed Nader voters from 2000 and asked them, today, if they would've voted differently if they would've known what followed...
Let me nip this a bit in the bud by saying that Nader voters are not solely responsible for W getting elected. The Supreme Court had a bigger hand in that.
You know, the same Supreme Court that will likely have 2 maybe 3 seats needing to be filled in the next 4-8 years
so keep on truckin' with that Bernin' down the house in the case that Bernie isn't the candidate. Surely that's the best means to progress, to allow for regression
Why should leftists vote if there are no leftist to vote for?
I voted Nader in 2000 and have no regrets.
This is shock of the decade.
There is for the voter who you think should've changed that "0 vote for Clinton" into "1 vote for Clinton." You don't get to tell someone they have to do that. Sorry.
There are only two people who will become President. You have a choice between either one.
A vote for a third candidate only helps the candidate whose views are opposite of that of the person you voted for.
I voted Nader in 2000 and have no regrets.
Not voting is terrible and really shows that you don't matter. I don't care if you vote hillary or not but not voting doesn't help anyone.This. The shaming Hillary stans are doing to people that are not voting is terrible, hell even on GAF people are going batshit insane if you tell them you're not going to vote for her.
That's democracy folks, you might not like it but it is within their rights to do so. You are within your right to not like that too, but shaming people because of it's just shitty behaviour.
"Nader only drew 24,000 Democrats to his cause, yet 308,000 Democrats voted for Bush."
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/12/6/1260721/-The-Nader-Myth
There is for the voter who you think should've changed that "0 vote for Clinton" into "1 vote for Clinton." You don't get to tell someone they have to do that. Sorry.
that's likely referring to the presidential election specifically, meaning that their state will likely go for the republican candidate anyway so voting for Hillary would be futile
Not voting for Hillary because you want Bernie is like not ordering a hamburger at a restaurant because you wanted pizza, so you let someone else order dog shit for you.
There is for the voter who you think should've changed that "0 vote for Clinton" into "1 vote for Clinton." You don't get to tell someone they have to do that. Sorry.
And then have to deal with the dog shit smell in front of you for four years, and the lingering stench for much longer than that.
Maybe thousands wouldn't be dead if Bush wasn't president.
a.) Gore won my stateYolo?
Absolutely. The terrible economic agenda that we live under has been in-place for the past 35 years. Unconstitutional domestic surveillance has been in-place for 16 years. The military-industrial complex has been around forever. These are hard issues to tackle, with no guaranteed success and little payoff.
Too many voters on both sides are easily distracted by social issues. I think that we need to be on the right side of these issues, of course, but not to the detriment of fiscal or foreign policy.
And this is how we get low turnout numbers. Maybe your state would turn blue if everyone that thought like you actually exercised the right that people throughout history have fought and died for.
Not voting is terrible and really shows that you don't matter. I don't care if you vote hillary or not but not voting doesn't help anyone.
Who says "shame" has anything to do with anything? Are you referring to the "shame" someone feels when they vote in a way that doesn't square with their beliefs in a way in which they are comfortable? Who are you to decide that the differences between Bernie and Hillary aren't big enough to care about on behalf of these people? Who are you to say that they're "close enough" for everybody's liking?no one "has" to do anything, ever.
let''s not get bogged down in semantics: if you are a liberal who supports Bernie and you stay home or don't vote for Hillary against Trump, you are actively thwarting the progress of your political goals and of Bernie's political goals. it could be stupid, it could be selfish, it could be naive, it could be any word you choose. but, at the end of the day, the word that comes to mind is "counter-intuitive." it's that simple.
"shame" is irrelevant. if you place your "shame" over your political ideology, then I think it's fair to say your voting philosophy makes no fucking sense.
And if you're a member of a marginalized group of people, you then will get your face dunked into it.
a.) Gore won my state
b.) Two party system is awful
c.) Nader votes are constantly overstated as a reason Gore lost, as others have pointed out.
Who says "shame" has anything to do with anything? Are you referring to the "shame" someone feels when they vote in a way that doesn't square with their beliefs in a way in which they are comfortable? Who are you to decide that the differences between Bernie and Hillary aren't big enough to care about on behalf of these people? Who are you to say that they're "close enough" for everybody's liking?
The siren song of keeping social issues in the spotlight over fiscal and foreign policy is so powerful. You throw out words like Social Justice or Pro-life and the basic uninformed voter from both sides has something easy to comprehend to get worked up over. What percentage of Democrats even care about let alone know of Glass-Steagall?
Ok, at least your voting.I forgot to add two words, "for her"
Fixed that now.
And then have to deal with the dog shit smell in front of you for four years, and the lingering stench for much longer than that.
Not voting for Hillary because you want Bernie is like not ordering a hamburger at a restaurant because you wanted pizza, so you let someone else order dog shit for you.
Hillary isn't quite as appetizing as a hamburger though... Maybe a hamburger dug out of the garbage, covered in maggots.
People just dont like Hiliary. Is there anything wrong with that?
To deny it is to deny history.
not what i asked or part of what my post proposed but let's tackle that anyhow, right?
You think Nader splitting some of the vote helped or hurt Gore? And would you say that we were better for Bush or could've things been better under Gore?
1812 maybe didn't end in as big of a disaster as 2000, but it's a much better example of how a third party can spoil someone from being elected.
Yes, when it's usually because they don't like her because of propaganda spread by Republicans, and subconscious sexism.
Who says "shame" has anything to do with anything? Are you referring to the "shame" someone feels when they vote in a way that doesn't square with their beliefs in a way in which they are comfortable? Who are you to decide that the differences between Bernie and Hillary aren't big enough to care about on behalf of these people? Who are you to say that they're "close enough" for everybody's liking?
The dog shit is also covered in vomit and has e-coli
Yes, when it's usually because they don't like her because of propaganda spread by Republicans, and subconscious sexism.
To disregard any criticism of her as those two things is really sad.Yes, when it's usually because they don't like her because of propaganda spread by Republicans, and subconscious sexism.
There's already more than 40% of people who don't vote and you want more?
If you care about change very much you engage in politic and try to get your choice elected.