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[SolicitorPirate]

This topic is everything wrong with Clinton supporters. Hillary has to earn our votes. Period. What the fuck is so hard to understand about that? She's not entitled to the liberal vote by default.

This attitude will drive off Bernie supporters, without whom Hillary will lose to Trump. It'd be more productive to make the positive case for her than to go this route.

I agree. But if you'll permit me to quote myself, I had something to further to add to that train of thought:

Clinton is not entitled to your vote. If you decide that you will only vote for Sanders and not Clinton, that's your right and no one can or should be allowed to change that.

That said, don't you dare look a racial minority in the eye and tell us you give a shit about us, because you've just shown that's a load of bullshit.

 

[mozfan12]

I'm voting for Jill Stein for the GE but I live in California. If I was in a swing state, I would vote Hillary simply to avoid the nuclear option. I do not like her, and do feel she is not a progressive. I have many problems with Obama (mainly that he is simply a moderate and not really a leftist, which is also my view of the Democratic Party) and I feel that she would keep the status quo, but there can worse (ie Ted Cruz and Drumpf). I do not begrudge anyone for not voting.

 

[AnathemicOne]

1. The lot of you are crying about how you can't vote for a politician who doesn't truly represent you. Boo fucking hoo, minorities, LGBT, and women have had to deal with that for decades. There is a political party that is actively trying to fuck their lives up in so many ways. They never get a politician who that truly represents them but you don't see them saying "Fuck the system lololol, I'll vote republican for the lulz!" They still vote for the closest politican they can find.

You don't worry about that because you're a white male, and because of such the policies the right will enact will affect you much less than the non white groups of America. It's white privilege to be able to vote for a repressive party because you didn't get your way. The rest of us don't have such a luxury. We have to vote for whoever is trying to fuck us over the least. Many upon many Americans stand to loss much with Trump/Cruz in office. They stand to lose insurance via ACA, which probably doesn't affect you because you have a decent paying job that provides adequate insurance. LGBT stand to lose the right to get married, again this doesn't bother/concern you because you're a straight white male, you've been able to get married since this country's inception.

2. With number one stated, it's clear that none of you actually ever gave a fuck about Bernie's platform and what he stands for because if you did then you'd have long realized how selfish and arrogant to vote against what he stands for. Hillary is corporate yes but even Bernie himself has acknowledged on more than one occasion that they both have the same goals in mind in regards to making America a place more tolerable for those who didn't hit the genetic lottery to be born middle class, white, and male. Bernie Sanders himself will vote this election and I can promise you he'll vote for Hillary.

Bernie's policies and platform were never the reason you people were voting for him. You were voting for him because most of you are to put it bluntly...fucking hipsters and Bernie Sanders/Feel the Bernie was the newest fad that you jumped on to show all your twitter/Facebook friends that you're "socially woke" and to pretend that you give a damn about the country or the people. It was an shallow act, and now that Bernie has lost you've dropped the fad and are on to the next one. You people heard the buzzword "anti-establishment" and jumped on the hype train, went to your social networks and blogs and posted links and articles about the sad state of America telling your friends to "wake up" like you were this social justice warrior but the entire thing was a damn act. You never gave a damn about the state of America or how it's people are being treated, and I mean ha why should you? It would barely affect you in the end. You're not poor, you're not LGBT, you're not a minority. At most you'll lose a dollar or two because of tax but hey life is still good.

Then when Trump/Cruz is elected and the put some ridiculously conservative judges on the SCOTUS and rollback all the progress America made, you'll sit in your ivory tower of white privilege and go "If only you people voted for Bernie! we could have avoided this!" Not once realizing that you directly contributed to the shit state of affairs when you decided to pout that your politician didn't get elected.

It's like you people don't understand a thing about politics, politics is all about compromising, even voters have to compromise. I personally would like the next 5 Presidents to be socially progressive minorities but I can't get that, but I am presented a politician who while I don't agree with all of her stances on things, she's the closest thing I've got to my ideal politician, and she's also the one who will fuck over us non white males the least and at the very least protect some of the laws that keep us safe and rollback others that hurt us. And that's the crux, you weren't "added" as a clause to be considered equal or worth protecting. We were and we'd like to see the clauses stay as they are and not eroded or removed completely because a segment of America deems us to be lessers.

But hey, take your ball and pout. That's the privilege granted to you. It must be nice.

But, electoral college.

 

[Alucrid]

Oh please, I am a "minority" in more ways then one, and even I would never vote Clinton. Never compromise, even in the face of Armageddon.

Also, one of these minorities- Muslims, have not reason to vote Clinton. She voted for an attack on what would be many of their homelands. Why would you vote for someone who voted for the destruction of your homeland and death of your people? And no "false information" BS, Sanders voted against it, he had the foresight to see what a mess it would be.

man what sort of pathetic human lives a life of no compromise?

 

[Xe4]

The more the pubs get beaten in the popular vote this election, the more they know that their stances on the issues and demgoguery are already in the wastebin of history. And it also shows that certain states are shifting. States that are blue or red have flipped due to demographics over time.

THIS. Red state, blue state, or wherever, your vote MATTERS.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Oh please, I am a "minority" in more ways then one, and even I would never vote Clinton. Never compromise, even in the face of Armageddon.

Also, one of these minorities- Muslims, have not reason to vote Clinton. She voted for an attack on what would be many of their homelands. Why would you vote for someone who voted for the destruction of your homeland and death of your people? And no "false information" BS, Sanders voted against it, he had the foresight to see what a mess it would be.

So, conversely, if Trump wins, how would you be better off?

I would like to know the answer to this.

 

[Odrion]

1. The lot of you are crying about how you can't vote for a politician who doesn't truly represent you. Boo fucking hoo, ... [for the sake of not taking up monitor space the rest is cut off, but read it!]

Holy fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck. 9.0 BNM

 

[Matsukaze]

1. The lot of you are crying about how you can't vote for a politician who doesn't truly represent you. Boo fucking hoo, minorities, LGBT, and women have had to deal with that for decades. There is a political party that is actively trying to fuck their lives up in so many ways. They never get a politician who that truly represents them but you don't see them saying "Fuck the system lololol, I'll vote republican for the lulz!" They still vote for the closest politican they can find.

You don't worry about that because you're a white male, and because of such the policies the right will enact will affect you much less than the non white groups of America. It's white privilege to be able to vote for a repressive party because you didn't get your way. The rest of us don't have such a luxury. We have to vote for whoever is trying to fuck us over the least. Many upon many Americans stand to loss much with Trump/Cruz in office. They stand to lose insurance via ACA, which probably doesn't affect you because you have a decent paying job that provides adequate insurance. LGBT stand to lose the right to get married, again this doesn't bother/concern you because you're a straight white male, you've been able to get married since this country's inception.

2. With number one stated, it's clear that none of you actually ever gave a fuck about Bernie's platform and what he stands for because if you did then you'd have long realized how selfish and arrogant to vote against what he stands for. Hillary is corporate yes but even Bernie himself has acknowledged on more than one occasion that they both have the same goals in mind in regards to making America a place more tolerable for those who didn't hit the genetic lottery to be born middle class, white, and male. Bernie Sanders himself will vote this election and I can promise you he'll vote for Hillary.

Bernie's policies and platform were never the reason you people were voting for him. You were voting for him because most of you are to put it bluntly...fucking hipsters and Bernie Sanders/Feel the Bernie was the newest fad that you jumped on to show all your twitter/Facebook friends that you're "socially woke" and to pretend that you give a damn about the country or the people. It was an shallow act, and now that Bernie has lost you've dropped the fad and are on to the next one. You people heard the buzzword "anti-establishment" and jumped on the hype train, went to your social networks and blogs and posted links and articles about the sad state of America telling your friends to "wake up" like you were this social justice warrior but the entire thing was a damn act. You never gave a damn about the state of America or how it's people are being treated, and I mean ha why should you? It would barely affect you in the end. You're not poor, you're not LGBT, you're not a minority. At most you'll lose a dollar or two because of tax but hey life is still good.

Then when Trump/Cruz is elected and the put some ridiculously conservative judges on the SCOTUS and rollback all the progress America made, you'll sit in your ivory tower of white privilege and go "If only you people voted for Bernie! we could have avoided this!" Not once realizing that you directly contributed to the shit state of affairs when you decided to pout that your politician didn't get elected.

It's like you people don't understand a thing about politics, politics is all about compromising, even voters have to compromise. I personally would like the next 5 Presidents to be socially progressive minorities but I can't get that, but I am presented a politician who while I don't agree with all of her stances on things, she's the closest thing I've got to my ideal politician, and she's also the one who will fuck over us non white males the least and at the very least protect some of the laws that keep us safe and rollback others that hurt us. And that's the crux, you weren't "added" as a clause to be considered equal or worth protecting. We were and we'd like to see the clauses stay as they are and not eroded or removed completely because a segment of America deems us to be lessers.

But hey, take your ball and pout. That's the privilege granted to you. It must be nice.

Excellent post.

 

[Azzanadra]

You

don't

live

in

America

Just north of you guys. Believe it or not, but whatever happens there effects us too. I am trying to guide Americans on to the enlightened path of Socialism, but alas! The world watches, and wonders why the heck Bernie isn't winning.

 

[MotherFan]

man what sort of pathetic human lives a life of no compromises?

Ted Cruz

 

[Slackerish]

Wake me up when we abandon the electoral college and do just popular vote so every vote matters and not just certain states.

It should have happened after the 2000 election. Sadly, we'll probably would need another 2000 election result a few more times before it changes.

 

[besada]

I am a huge fan of voting. I vote in every election, local, state, and federal, and have since I turned 18. The idea of skipping a vote to me is bizarre. This is pretty uncommon behavior, even in my age bracket.

In the age bracket of most of the people posting in this thread, it's even more unheard of. And frankly, if you're not voting in every election, I'm not really interested in hearing you shit on people who sit out a vote. The least important votes you're every going to make, mathematically, are your federal votes. And yet, it's the federal votes that make people write shitty OPs like this one, where they treat other human beings like garbage for little effect.

And it is producing little effect. It's actively driving people in the opposite direction you want them to go. Tactically, it's just a dumb thing to do. If you'd rather rage at people than reach out to them, frankly, I have to question your seriousness.

It's easy to yell at people who aren't doing what you want. It's much more complicated to try and understand and persuade them. And if you really care about the issues, rather than scoring points on other posters and rooting for your team, you'd be spending less time shouting at people and more time listening. The only certain thing is that you aren't going to change minds by telling people they're idiots.

If what you want is to make things better, this isn't the way to do it. If what you want is to focus attention on yourself and your righteous anger, then you're doing a great job.

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

Well said. Well said. It's hideous what's going on here.

What is going on here is trying to get people to understand the implications of a Trump presidency. You are are Sanders supporter, like me (hug!). I will swallow a Clinton pill if required because I fully understand what would happen to this country if Cruz or Trump were put into the WH.

Does Clinton fully represent my views; not even close, no. But compare her to Trump/Cruz, lol, its a joke.

 

[Suikoguy]

Don't vote for Hillary, vote for those sweet supreme court slots.

Seriously, at the very least do it for that. So many closed-minded individuals in this thread obviously don't have a horse in the game if they are so selfish to 'protest vote' or stay home because they did not get everything they wanted. They are so damn entitled, that considering what might happen to other people is beyond them. It gets spelled out every damn thread, and they still ignore the central point.

It's okay to just vote AGAINST TRUMP. You don't even have to particularly like Clinton, but with our election system, a 3rd party vote is wasted, and staying home is a vote for the other party, since fear drives voters to polls and fear is the GOP playbook like never before. By the very virtue of being a minority, we have our own built in fear factor of a conservative supreme court, but we don't have the numbers alone to insure it does not happen. So we depend on the empathy of others to see issues that might not effect them.

These "I'll only vote for the perfect candidate" people must not have to worry about a possible Supreme Court ruling against a Gay Anti-Discrimination bill, or changing the recent ruling on Gay Marriage. God forbid I was a brown gay male, an ultra shit Justice could come up with some fucked up reasoning to screw them over.

There will very likely be at least Scalia's vacancy to fill after November, and the probability matrix for another is significant with several aging members, along with a couple of Liberal justices that will consider retirement, that would otherwise have to 'hang in there' until someone is there to appoint a decent replacement.

Of course, if I was a selfish straight white male, why would I give a fuck? Must be fucking nice to be a straight white male. THIS is what White Privilege is when people refer to it, the inability to consider what it might be like to be someone who is not. And, at the end of the day, it's not even asking for much of anything, just a simple vote for the lesser of what you view as "two evils", to prevent not only the loss of the few steps made over the last few years, but to shape the court for decades.

 

[umop_3pisdn]

1. The lot of you are crying about how you can't vote for a politician who doesn't truly represent you. Boo fucking hoo, minorities, LGBT, and women have had to deal with that for decades. There is a political party that is actively trying to fuck their lives up in so many ways. They never get a politician who that truly represents them but you don't see them saying "Fuck the system lololol, I'll vote republican for the lulz!" They still vote for the closest politican they can find.

You don't worry about that because you're a white male, and because of such the policies the right will enact will affect you much less than the non white groups of America. It's white privilege to be able to vote for a repressive party because you didn't get your way. The rest of us don't have such a luxury. We have to vote for whoever is trying to fuck us over the least. Many upon many Americans stand to loss much with Trump/Cruz in office. They stand to lose insurance via ACA, which probably doesn't affect you because you have a decent paying job that provides adequate insurance. LGBT stand to lose the right to get married, again this doesn't bother/concern you because you're a straight white male, you've been able to get married since this country's inception.

2. With number one stated, it's clear that none of you actually ever gave a fuck about Bernie's platform and what he stands for because if you did then you'd have long realized how selfish and arrogant to vote against what he stands for. Hillary is corporate yes but even Bernie himself has acknowledged on more than one occasion that they both have the same goals in mind in regards to making America a place more tolerable for those who didn't hit the genetic lottery to be born middle class, white, and male. Bernie Sanders himself will vote this election and I can promise you he'll vote for Hillary.

Bernie's policies and platform were never the reason you people were voting for him. You were voting for him because most of you are to put it bluntly...fucking hipsters and Bernie Sanders/Feel the Bernie was the newest fad that you jumped on to show all your twitter/Facebook friends that you're "socially woke" and to pretend that you give a damn about the country or the people. It was an shallow act, and now that Bernie has lost you've dropped the fad and are on to the next one. You people heard the buzzword "anti-establishment" and jumped on the hype train, went to your social networks and blogs and posted links and articles about the sad state of America telling your friends to "wake up" like you were this social justice warrior but the entire thing was a damn act. You never gave a damn about the state of America or how it's people are being treated, and I mean ha why should you? It would barely affect you in the end. You're not poor, you're not LGBT, you're not a minority. At most you'll lose a dollar or two because of tax but hey life is still good.

Then when Trump/Cruz is elected and the put some ridiculously conservative judges on the SCOTUS and rollback all the progress America made, you'll sit in your ivory tower of white privilege and go "If only you people voted for Bernie! we could have avoided this!" Not once realizing that you directly contributed to the shit state of affairs when you decided to pout that your politician didn't get elected.

It's like you people don't understand a thing about politics, politics is all about compromising, even voters have to compromise. I personally would like the next 5 Presidents to be socially progressive minorities but I can't get that, but I am presented a politician who while I don't agree with all of her stances on things, she's the closest thing I've got to my ideal politician, and she's also the one who will fuck over us non white males the least and at the very least protect some of the laws that keep us safe and rollback others that hurt us. And that's the crux, you weren't "added" as a clause to be considered equal or worth protecting. We were and we'd like to see the clauses stay as they are and not eroded or removed completely because a segment of America deems us to be lessers.

But hey, take your ball and pout. That's the privilege granted to you. It must be nice.

preach

 

[Primethius]

Oh please, I am a "minority" in more ways then one, and even I would never vote Clinton. Never compromise, even in the face of Armageddon.

Also, one of these minorities- Muslims, have not reason to vote Clinton. She voted for an attack on what would be many of their homelands. Why would you vote for someone who voted for the destruction of your homeland and death of your people? And no "false information" BS, Sanders voted against it, he had the foresight to see what a mess it would be.

Lmao

What?

Every Muslim I know in my community and in other communities is going to vote the shit out of Hillary. She's gonna get so many new voters for her. I'd wager it's the same across Muslim communities throughout the US.

My sister who just got the ability to vote is gonna go vote for Hillary. She barely understands politics. My entire family will be voting for the first time.

 

[BennyBlanco]

How the fuck this kinda bullshit thread does not get immediately locked is beyond me.

Creating this thread to vent and slander every non-Hillary supporter is a fucking joke. And to call those individuals children is the most ironic part. I get it- you guys have to make the same damn thread every day because it's super easy to spin your strawman argument and paint Bernie supporters with one broad stroke while simultaneously you get to jerk off about your leading nominee. But it's getting damn tiring and Gaf is a more rational audience than your bullshit misrepresentation will ever claim them to be. I supported Bernie, it's obvious he's not going to get the nomination- Hillary does not represent my interests, so she will not get my vote. But Trump certainly will not either.

But let me say this, in the same vein of how you take your small sample from shit places like facebook or twitter, formulate your rage, and bring that shitty argument here, I will point out that from my sampling, people have soured on Hillary because of her shitty supporters such as yourself who seem to both gloat and chastise Bernie followers while covering it all in a veil of 'concern'.

I have to say, I hear more tantrums about this 'Bernie to Trump' narrative (this thread) than I actually ever have about actual Bernie supporters throwing a fit and claiming they're moving to the Trump camp.

Have to agree. Like I said, more people who normally vote republican will be voting for Hillary which will more than offset anyone going from Bernie to Trump.

Hillary is an incredibly inoffensive, boring candidate. I was on the fence about Trump for the eventual Ginsberg SCOTUS seat but the more I think about it the more I have no fucking idea who he would choose. Guys out of his mind.

These threads where people are typing out these huge essays directed at nobody in particular aren't actually gonna sway anyone's vote, lol.

 

[perfectchaos007]

Voted for him in 08 as a write-in, proud of it too; not the only one either.

*bro fist*

in 2012 I thought about writing him in again, but I closed my eyes at the booth and I have no idea who I voted for

 

[Angelus Errare]

Oh please, I am a "minority" in more ways then one, and even I would never vote Clinton. Never compromise, even in the face of Armageddon.

Also, one of these minorities- Muslims, have not reason to vote Clinton. She voted for an attack on what would be many of their homelands. Why would you vote for someone who voted for the destruction of your homeland and death of your people? And no "false information" BS, Sanders voted against it, he had the foresight to see what a mess it would be.

This is the most remedial, try hard, action movie shit I've ever heard.

 

[HUELEN10]

1. The lot of you are crying about how you can't vote for a politician who doesn't truly represent you. Boo fucking hoo, minorities, LGBT, and women have had to deal with that for decades. There is a political party that is actively trying to fuck their lives up in so many ways. They never get a politician who that truly represents them but you don't see them saying "Fuck the system lololol, I'll vote republican for the lulz!" They still vote for the closest politican they can find.

You don't worry about that because you're a white male

Stop right there. I am not. I am actually a minority myself. I am a Semite and I'm queer to boot. Don't assume. You talk about a group in the first part, then talk directly to me as someone and something I'm not? Not cool. Let's proceed.

and because of such the policies the right will enact will affect you much less than the non white groups of America. It's white privilege to be able to vote for a repressive party because you didn't get your way. The rest of us don't have such a luxury. We have to vote for whoever is trying to fuck us over the least. Many upon many Americans stand to loss much with Trump/Cruz in office. They stand to lose insurance via ACA, which probably doesn't affect you because you have a decent paying job that provides adequate insurance. LGBT stand to lose the right to get married, again this doesn't bother/concern you because you're a straight white male, you've been able to get married since this country's inception.

Except you are still assuming things. I can't afford insurance, got fucked over by the ACA, the legal relationship equality I want will never come to be, and as a student, my job is keeping me afloat, but it's a struggle each month to ration. I do and can understand what you are saying, about voting out of fear against those people and groups that can screw you over, and while I do sympathize, isn't that just saying you're gonna vote for someone most beneficial to you? I do understand and have no doubt that someone in the case you described might have more at stake, but we all are, or should be voting for our own self-interests at the end of the day, preferably while hurting others the least.

2. With number one stated, it's clear that none of you actually ever gave a fuck about Bernie's platform and what he stands for because if you did then you'd have long realized how selfish and arrogant to vote against what he stands for. Hillary is corporate yes but even Bernie himself has acknowledged on more than one occasion that they both have the same goals in mind in regards to making America a place more tolerable for those who didn't hit the genetic lottery to be born middle class, white, and male. Bernie Sanders himself will vote this election and I can promise you he'll vote for Hillary.

Not entirely the case, but I can see and totally respect where you are coming from; keep in mind though, not everyone voted for Bernie for civil type stuff thou.

Bernie's policies and platform were never the reason you people were voting for him. You were voting for him because most of you are to put it bluntly...fucking hipsters and Bernie Sanders/Feel the Bernie was the newest fad that you jumped on to show all your twitter/Facebook friends that you're "socially woke" and to pretend that you give a damn about the country or the people. It was an shallow act, and now that Bernie has lost you've dropped the fad and are on to the next one. You people heard the buzzword "anti-establishment" and jumped on the hype train, went to your social networks and blogs and posted links and articles about the sad state of America telling your friends to "wake up" like you were this social justice warrior but the entire thing was a damn act. You never gave a damn about the state of America or how it's people are being treated, and I mean ha why should you? It would barely affect you in the end. You're not poor, you're not LGBT, you're not a minority. At most you'll lose a dollar or two because of tax but hey life is still good.

Wow. Truthfully, it's hurtful to hear that stuff coming from a fellow minority.

Then when Trump/Cruz is elected and the put some ridiculously conservative judges on the SCOTUS and rollback all the progress America made, you'll sit in your ivory tower of white privilege and go "If only you people voted for Bernie! we could have avoided this!" Not once realizing that you directly contributed to the shit state of affairs when you decided to pout that your politician didn't get elected.

It's like you people don't understand a thing about politics, politics is all about compromising, even voters have to compromise. I personally would like the next 5 Presidents to be socially progressive minorities but I can't get that, but I am presented a politician who while I don't agree with all of her stances on things, she's the closest thing I've got to my ideal politician, and she's also the one who will fuck over us non white males the least and at the very least protect some of the laws that keep us safe and rollback others that hurt us. And that's the crux, you weren't "added" as a clause to be considered equal or worth protecting. We were and we'd like to see the clauses stay as they are and not eroded or removed completely because a segment of America deems us to be lessers.

But hey, take your ball and pout. That's the privilege granted to you. It must be nice.

I really do sympathize, and I do thank you for taking the time to elaborate. Truly, some of us in this nation are less fortunate than others, and it shouldn't be, and like you said, some people do seem better of for no decent reason than others and that is not fair either. It really did bring some things to light in a different way. That being said, please don't attack someone in a minority you are speaking of (in this case, queer) defending, just don't. Differing opinions know no boundaries of race, color, orientation, location, or creed.

Also, electoral college and whatnot.

*bro fist*

in 2012 I thought about writing him in again, but I closed my eyes at the booth and I have no idea who I voted for

Really? Wow. In 2012 I voted for Obama, not because I am the biggest fan (specially the way he's been anti-Cupertino lately), but because I couldn't imagine this nation with Mr. Ryan as its VP, so I do understand concerns like these.

 

[Oltsu]

The amount of white privilege on display in this thread is crazy.

The Dem primary seems to have been mostly about convincing the minority vote.

But a trump vs. clinton GE wont be, it'll be about mitigating the damage that Trump's anti-establishment, anti TPP/NAFTA/etc. populist message can do to the white, blue collar democratic base. And trying to make sure that the base turns up to vote in big enough numbers to counter the bleeding of voters from the aforementioned category.

So essentially in order to do as well as possible in the GE Clinton has to 1) not lose the blue collar white vote and 2) Make sure Bernie supporters also turn up to vote

As the Hillary camp so often says politics is about coalitions, not about dogmatism. And here's the deal, it's now Hillary's and her supporters' turn to expand their coalition if they want a resounding win. Guilt tripping voters and trying to hammer some "white privilege" message home to white voters is exactly the kind of dogmatism that will actually shrink the coalition at lightspeed instead of expanding it.

So as a first tip: Identity politics outside of clearly leftist circles is cancer to earning votes. It's divisive and breeds resentment due to the inherent generalizations and the collectivist mentality that ignores individual stories that individual people have. The most likely result of dismissing a voter's reservations about a candidate because of that voter's "white privilege" is that the voter A) wont be a voter anymore or B) will actively work against the candidate that has supporters that dismissed him/her and his/her individual life story.

Fact of the matter is that not all of the Dem coalition is made up of social progressives. And pandering to social progressives only (or even going against the other type's of dem voters) isn't going to be a winning strategy.

 

[StylesClash]

I wish all votes mattered but in some states we elect people like Jindal...so yeah...I don't have hope for my state.

 

[Azzanadra]

So, conversely, if Trump wins, how would you be better off?

I would like to know the answer to this.

When did I say I would vote for Trump? Look, a vote is more than just a count+=1 , its an endorsement, an exercise of democratic participation that many take for granted. Clinton has nothing to earn my love, neither has Trump (Trump has actively earned my hate, if anything).

This is the most remedial, try hard, action movie shit I've ever heard.

Its by Alan Moore, writer of Watchmen. I feel a strong parallel between that book an this election.

 

[Malvolio]

I am a huge fan of voting. I vote in every election, local, state, and federal, and have since I turned 18. The idea of skipping a vote to me is bizarre. This is pretty uncommon behavior, even in my age bracket.

In the age bracket of most of the people posting in this thread, it's even more unheard of. And frankly, if you're not voting in every election, I'm not really interested in hearing you shit on people who sit out a vote. The least important votes you're every going to make, mathematically, are your federal votes. And yet, it's the federal votes that make people write shitty OPs like this one, where they treat other human beings like garbage for little effect.

And it is producing little effect. It's actively driving people in the opposite direction you want them to go. Tactically, it's just a dumb thing to do. If you'd rather rage at people than reach out to them, frankly, I have to question your seriousness.

It's easy to yell at people who aren't doing what you want. It's much more complicated to try and understand and persuade them. And if you really care about the issues, rather than scoring ponta on other posters and rooting for your team, you'd be sending less time shouting at people and more time listening. The nly certain thing isnthat you aren't going to change minds by telling people they're idiots.

If what you want is to make things better, this isn't the way to do it. If what you want is to focus attention on yourself and your righteous anger, then you're doing a great job.

Thank you for this.

 

[GuitarAtomik]

Clinton is not entitled to your vote. If you decide that you will only vote for Sanders and not Clinton, that's your right and no one can or should be allowed to change that.

That said, don't you dare look a racial minority in the eye and tell us you give a shit about us, because you've just shown that's a load of bullshit.

1. The lot of you are crying about how you can't vote for a politician who doesn't truly represent you. Boo fucking hoo, minorities, LGBT, and women have had to deal with that for decades. There is a political party that is actively trying to fuck their lives up in so many ways. They never get a politician who that truly represents them but you don't see them saying "Fuck the system lololol, I'll vote republican for the lulz!" They still vote for the closest politican they can find.

You don't worry about that because you're a white male, and because of such the policies the right will enact will affect you much less than the non white groups of America. It's white privilege to be able to vote for a repressive party because you didn't get your way. The rest of us don't have such a luxury. We have to vote for whoever is trying to fuck us over the least. Many upon many Americans stand to loss much with Trump/Cruz in office. They stand to lose insurance via ACA, which probably doesn't affect you because you have a decent paying job that provides adequate insurance. LGBT stand to lose the right to get married, again this doesn't bother/concern you because you're a straight white male, you've been able to get married since this country's inception.

2. With number one stated, it's clear that none of you actually ever gave a fuck about Bernie's platform and what he stands for because if you did then you'd have long realized how selfish and arrogant to vote against what he stands for. Hillary is corporate yes but even Bernie himself has acknowledged on more than one occasion that they both have the same goals in mind in regards to making America a place more tolerable for those who didn't hit the genetic lottery to be born middle class, white, and male. Bernie Sanders himself will vote this election and I can promise you he'll vote for Hillary.

Bernie's policies and platform were never the reason you people were voting for him. You were voting for him because most of you are to put it bluntly...fucking hipsters and Bernie Sanders/Feel the Bernie was the newest fad that you jumped on to show all your twitter/Facebook friends that you're "socially woke" and to pretend that you give a damn about the country or the people. It was an shallow act, and now that Bernie has lost you've dropped the fad and are on to the next one. You people heard the buzzword "anti-establishment" and jumped on the hype train, went to your social networks and blogs and posted links and articles about the sad state of America telling your friends to "wake up" like you were this social justice warrior but the entire thing was a damn act. You never gave a damn about the state of America or how it's people are being treated, and I mean ha why should you? It would barely affect you in the end. You're not poor, you're not LGBT, you're not a minority. At most you'll lose a dollar or two because of tax but hey life is still good.

Then when Trump/Cruz is elected and the put some ridiculously conservative judges on the SCOTUS and rollback all the progress America made, you'll sit in your ivory tower of white privilege and go "If only you people voted for Bernie! we could have avoided this!" Not once realizing that you directly contributed to the shit state of affairs when you decided to pout that your politician didn't get elected.

It's like you people don't understand a thing about politics, politics is all about compromising, even voters have to compromise. I personally would like the next 5 Presidents to be socially progressive minorities but I can't get that, but I am presented a politician who while I don't agree with all of her stances on things, she's the closest thing I've got to my ideal politician, and she's also the one who will fuck over us non white males the least and at the very least protect some of the laws that keep us safe and rollback others that hurt us. And that's the crux, you weren't "added" as a clause to be considered equal or worth protecting. We were and we'd like to see the clauses stay as they are and not eroded or removed completely because a segment of America deems us to be lessers.

But hey, take your ball and pout. That's the privilege granted to you. It must be nice.

This shit right here.

 

[The Technomancer]

HUELEN I respect where you're coming from, but also you were seriously voting for Ben Carson at one point so I honestly have no idea what your political compass looks like

 

[Glorified G]

Every single election you establishment Democrat supporters try to sell the Left the same bill of goods, vote for our candidate or the devil will win. Every single election. What have the socialists, laborists, Marxists, Greens, and similar leftists gotten out of this deal from the last two Democratic presidents? Fuck all, that's what.

You sabotage and villify any legitimate Left voice that comes close to getting the Democratic nom, and you make their supporters out to be naive idealists or Communists or whatever red-baiting bullshit you can come up with. You call us anti-feminists or racists and actively work against our efforts to have our voices represented in the party. You do all of this while at the same time insisting that we fall in line with whatever pro-Capitalist, anti-labor aristocrat you've put up to the microphone to promise us little more than business as usual, and this cycle repeats every time.

I'm a citizen of Texas and will be submitting an absentee ballot, so my vote is doubly useless, but you can bet whoever I vote for will be someone whose ideals match mine, not the one who simply gives me less fear.

Goddamn post of the year right here.

 

[Angelus Errare]

If you can't name your state senator and governor, you're not really ready for the "revolution" you like to preach about.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

When did I say I would vote for Trump? Look, a vote is more than just a count+=1, its an endorsement, an exercise of democratic participation that many take for granted. Clinton has nothing to earn my love, neither has Trump (Trump has actively earned my hate, if anything).

So if you "never compromise" and all that, and Trump wins, do you think things will be better for Muslims with Trump running the country?

Y/N?

 

[Spyder_Monkey]

I am a huge fan of voting. I vote in every election, local, state, and federal, and have since I turned 18. The idea of skipping a vote to me is bizarre. This is pretty uncommon behavior, even in my age bracket.

In the age bracket of most of the people posting in this thread, it's even more unheard of. And frankly, if you're not voting in every election, I'm not really interested in hearing you shit on people who sit out a vote. The least important votes you're every going to make, mathematically, are your federal votes. And yet, it's the federal votes that make people write shitty OPs like this one, where they treat other human beings like garbage for little effect.

And it is producing little effect. It's actively driving people in the opposite direction you want them to go. Tactically, it's just a dumb thing to do. If you'd rather rage at people than reach out to them, frankly, I have to question your seriousness.

It's easy to yell at people who aren't doing what you want. It's much more complicated to try and understand and persuade them. And if you really care about the issues, rather than scoring ponta on other posters and rooting for your team, you'd be sending less time shouting at people and more time listening. The nly certain thing isnthat you aren't going to change minds by telling people they're idiots.

If what you want is to make things better, this isn't the way to do it. If what you want is to focus attention on yourself and your righteous anger, then you're doing a great job.

This too. Voting for your state/local is just as important and will affect you more in the long run. But sadly no one (not even my self at times) really cares about it. I blame our education. When I was in grade school every single one of my teachers made a bigger deal out of our president and not any other form of government.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

Maybe we really do deserve Trump if people can't be bothered.

 

[The Technomancer]

When did I say I would vote for Trump? Look, a vote is more than just a count+=1 , its an endorsement, an exercise of democratic participation that many take for granted. Clinton has nothing to earn my love, neither has Trump (Trump has actively earned my hate, if anything).

I don't disagree, but it does take a degree of privilege (or in your case, not being as directly effected) to be able to say "maintaining the purity of my endorsements is more important than the risk that a political figure could truly fuck up my life"

 

[DarkKyo]

Every single election you establishment Democrat supporters try to sell the Left the same bill of goods, vote for our candidate or the devil will win. Every single election. What have the socialists, laborists, Marxists, Greens, and similar leftists gotten out of this deal from the last two Democratic presidents? Fuck all, that's what.

You sabotage and villify any legitimate Left voice that comes close to getting the Democratic nom, and you make their supporters out to be naive idealists or Communists or whatever red-baiting bullshit you can come up with. You call us anti-feminists or racists and actively work against our efforts to have our voices represented in the party. You do all of this while at the same time insisting that we fall in line with whatever pro-Capitalist, anti-labor aristocrat you've put up to the microphone to promise us little more than business as usual, and this cycle repeats every time.

I'm a citizen of Texas and will be submitting an absentee ballot, so my vote is doubly useless, but you can bet whoever I vote for will be someone whose ideals match mine, not the one who simply gives me less fear.

Better than I could have said it. It's sad that we get shamed for wanting more out of our sad, watered down election system.

 

[You Are Viewtiful]

Just wait it out OP. Once they see how hideous Trump or Cruz is, and Sanders becomes a distant memory like some high school fling, they'll be lining up at advance polls.

 

[SlimySnake]

1. The lot of you are crying about how you can't vote for a politician who doesn't truly represent you. Boo fucking hoo, minorities, LGBT, and women have had to deal with that for decades. There is a political party that is actively trying to fuck their lives up in so many ways. They never get a politician who that truly represents them but you don't see them saying "Fuck the system lololol, I'll vote republican for the lulz!" They still vote for the closest politican they can find.

You don't worry about that because you're a white male, and because of such the policies the right will enact will affect you much less than the non white groups of America. It's white privilege to be able to vote for a repressive party because you didn't get your way. The rest of us don't have such a luxury. We have to vote for whoever is trying to fuck us over the least. Many upon many Americans stand to loss much with Trump/Cruz in office. They stand to lose insurance via ACA, which probably doesn't affect you because you have a decent paying job that provides adequate insurance. LGBT stand to lose the right to get married, again this doesn't bother/concern you because you're a straight white male, you've been able to get married since this country's inception.

2. With number one stated, it's clear that none of you actually ever gave a fuck about Bernie's platform and what he stands for because if you did then you'd have long realized how selfish and arrogant to vote against what he stands for. Hillary is corporate yes but even Bernie himself has acknowledged on more than one occasion that they both have the same goals in mind in regards to making America a place more tolerable for those who didn't hit the genetic lottery to be born middle class, white, and male. Bernie Sanders himself will vote this election and I can promise you he'll vote for Hillary.

Bernie's policies and platform were never the reason you people were voting for him. You were voting for him because most of you are to put it bluntly...fucking hipsters and Bernie Sanders/Feel the Bernie was the newest fad that you jumped on to show all your twitter/Facebook friends that you're "socially woke" and to pretend that you give a damn about the country or the people. It was an shallow act, and now that Bernie has lost you've dropped the fad and are on to the next one. You people heard the buzzword "anti-establishment" and jumped on the hype train, went to your social networks and blogs and posted links and articles about the sad state of America telling your friends to "wake up" like you were this social justice warrior but the entire thing was a damn act. You never gave a damn about the state of America or how it's people are being treated, and I mean ha why should you? It would barely affect you in the end. You're not poor, you're not LGBT, you're not a minority. At most you'll lose a dollar or two because of tax but hey life is still good.

Then when Trump/Cruz is elected and the put some ridiculously conservative judges on the SCOTUS and rollback all the progress America made, you'll sit in your ivory tower of white privilege and go "If only you people voted for Bernie! we could have avoided this!" Not once realizing that you directly contributed to the shit state of affairs when you decided to pout that your politician didn't get elected.

It's like you people don't understand a thing about politics, politics is all about compromising, even voters have to compromise. I personally would like the next 5 Presidents to be socially progressive minorities but I can't get that, but I am presented a politician who while I don't agree with all of her stances on things, she's the closest thing I've got to my ideal politician, and she's also the one who will fuck over us non white males the least and at the very least protect some of the laws that keep us safe and rollback others that hurt us. And that's the crux, you weren't "added" as a clause to be considered equal or worth protecting. We were and we'd like to see the clauses stay as they are and not eroded or removed completely because a segment of America deems us to be lessers.

But hey, take your ball and pout. That's the privilege granted to you. It must be nice.

Hot damn.

i will also leave this here.

I wonder how many bernie fans know what its like to live among people who dont want you here.

 

[Dongs Macabre]

Its by Alan Moore, writer of Watchmen. I feel a strong parallel between that book an this election.

Rorschach isn't supposed to be a role model.

 

[Brawly Likes to Brawl]

Just north of you guys. Believe it or not, but whatever happens there effects us too. I am trying to guide Americans on to the enlightened path of Socialism, but alas! The world watches, and wonders why the heck Bernie isn't winning.

Look at pretty much every post HylianTom has made in this thread.

 

[AnathemicOne]

If you can't name your state senator and governor, you're not really ready for the "revolution" you like to preach about.

Governer: Jerry Brown
Senators: Boxer and Feinstein

Why so aggressive? And what people have to be "ready" for a revolution now, when has history ever set down this standard? I would very much like to know.

 

[...Scatter...]

I agree OP. Democrats only lose due to apathy and not getting people out to vote.

8 years of George Bush proved that things can get fucked up quickly if you let incompetence win. He put a horse trainer in charge of FEMA for God's sakes as a political favor.

This is me pleading to Bernie supporters: We need you. You are going to make the difference in this election and Hillary is the most competent person to run this country for the next 8 years. Please help us not make the same mistake we made when we let Karl Rove swiftboat Kerry to get Bush elected.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Better than I could have said it. It's sad that we get shamed for wanting more out of our sad, watered down election system.

It's nice to want things.

In the real world, not voting doesn't get you a better system.

It gets you ignored.

 

[Shao Kahn on the Lawn]

If you can't name your state senator and governor, you're not really ready for the "revolution" you like to preach about.

Perhaps you should add that assumption to the six-paragraph stack of them that you graced us with earlier.

 

[Big Baybee]

It really pains me how many people give no fucks about either not voting, or throwing the vote away on a third party candidate. It really pains me.

 

[PsychBat!]

Why is the OP of this thread doing the same thing OP is complaining about?

And I'm pretty sure we had this thread last week.

 

[Dai101]

1. The lot of you are crying about how you can't vote for a politician who doesn't truly represent you. Boo fucking hoo, minorities, LGBT, and women have had to deal with that for decades. There is a political party that is actively trying to fuck their lives up in so many ways. They never get a politician who that truly represents them but you don't see them saying "Fuck the system lololol, I'll vote republican for the lulz!" They still vote for the closest politican they can find.

You don't worry about that because you're a white male, and because of such the policies the right will enact will affect you much less than the non white groups of America. It's white privilege to be able to vote for a repressive party because you didn't get your way. The rest of us don't have such a luxury. We have to vote for whoever is trying to fuck us over the least. Many upon many Americans stand to loss much with Trump/Cruz in office. They stand to lose insurance via ACA, which probably doesn't affect you because you have a decent paying job that provides adequate insurance. LGBT stand to lose the right to get married, again this doesn't bother/concern you because you're a straight white male, you've been able to get married since this country's inception.

2. With number one stated, it's clear that none of you actually ever gave a fuck about Bernie's platform and what he stands for because if you did then you'd have long realized how selfish and arrogant to vote against what he stands for. Hillary is corporate yes but even Bernie himself has acknowledged on more than one occasion that they both have the same goals in mind in regards to making America a place more tolerable for those who didn't hit the genetic lottery to be born middle class, white, and male. Bernie Sanders himself will vote this election and I can promise you he'll vote for Hillary.

Bernie's policies and platform were never the reason you people were voting for him. You were voting for him because most of you are to put it bluntly...fucking hipsters and Bernie Sanders/Feel the Bernie was the newest fad that you jumped on to show all your twitter/Facebook friends that you're "socially woke" and to pretend that you give a damn about the country or the people. It was an shallow act, and now that Bernie has lost you've dropped the fad and are on to the next one. You people heard the buzzword "anti-establishment" and jumped on the hype train, went to your social networks and blogs and posted links and articles about the sad state of America telling your friends to "wake up" like you were this social justice warrior but the entire thing was a damn act. You never gave a damn about the state of America or how it's people are being treated, and I mean ha why should you? It would barely affect you in the end. You're not poor, you're not LGBT, you're not a minority. At most you'll lose a dollar or two because of tax but hey life is still good.

Then when Trump/Cruz is elected and the put some ridiculously conservative judges on the SCOTUS and rollback all the progress America made, you'll sit in your ivory tower of white privilege and go "If only you people voted for Bernie! we could have avoided this!" Not once realizing that you directly contributed to the shit state of affairs when you decided to pout that your politician didn't get elected.

It's like you people don't understand a thing about politics, politics is all about compromising, even voters have to compromise. I personally would like the next 5 Presidents to be socially progressive minorities but I can't get that, but I am presented a politician who while I don't agree with all of her stances on things, she's the closest thing I've got to my ideal politician, and she's also the one who will fuck over us non white males the least and at the very least protect some of the laws that keep us safe and rollback others that hurt us. And that's the crux, you weren't "added" as a clause to be considered equal or worth protecting. We were and we'd like to see the clauses stay as they are and not eroded or removed completely because a segment of America deems us to be lessers.

But hey, take your ball and pout. That's the privilege granted to you. It must be nice.

Spitting fire. And full quoted because it needs to be read again and again.

 

[StylesClash]

Why is the OP of this thread doing the same thing OP is complaining about?

And I'm pretty sure we had this thread last week.

We have this thread every day lol

 

[HUELEN10]

It really pains me how many people give no fucks about either not voting, or throwing the vote away on a third party candidate. It really pains me.

I think write-ins/3rd party votes should never be something to shame someone on. I am proud to live in a nation that lets me have my right to vote for whomever I want, regardless of size or chance.

 

[The Technomancer]

Better than I could have said it. It's sad that we get shamed for wanting more out of our sad, watered down election system.

Who says we don't want more? I sure want a fuck more out of our electoral system. I want a lot of Sander's platform to become reality. Universal healthcare? Higher education? Sign me the fuck up.

But not voting doesn't have any utility. It doesn't meaningfully shift the field in the direction you want. It doesn't. You staying home because Bernie isn't the nominee and a possible Cruz election as a result just tells people the country wanted Cruz. What Bernie has done, actively campaigning, that has shifted the field. No future presidential election will be untouched by the way rhetoric and perceptions of liberal voting bases have been adjusted in the last 12 months. Sitting out in November is just grandstanding.

 

[Zaptruder]

1. The lot of you are crying about how you can't vote for a politician who doesn't truly represent you. Boo fucking hoo, minorities, LGBT, and women have had to deal with that for decades. There is a political party that is actively trying to fuck their lives up in so many ways. They never get a politician who that truly represents them but you don't see them saying "Fuck the system lololol, I'll vote republican for the lulz!" They still vote for the closest politican they can find.

You don't worry about that because you're a white male, and because of such the policies the right will enact will affect you much less than the non white groups of America. It's white privilege to be able to vote for a repressive party because you didn't get your way. The rest of us don't have such a luxury. We have to vote for whoever is trying to fuck us over the least. Many upon many Americans stand to loss much with Trump/Cruz in office. They stand to lose insurance via ACA, which probably doesn't affect you because you have a decent paying job that provides adequate insurance. LGBT stand to lose the right to get married, again this doesn't bother/concern you because you're a straight white male, you've been able to get married since this country's inception.

2. With number one stated, it's clear that none of you actually ever gave a fuck about Bernie's platform and what he stands for because if you did then you'd have long realized how selfish and arrogant to vote against what he stands for. Hillary is corporate yes but even Bernie himself has acknowledged on more than one occasion that they both have the same goals in mind in regards to making America a place more tolerable for those who didn't hit the genetic lottery to be born middle class, white, and male. Bernie Sanders himself will vote this election and I can promise you he'll vote for Hillary.

Bernie's policies and platform were never the reason you people were voting for him. You were voting for him because most of you are to put it bluntly...fucking hipsters and Bernie Sanders/Feel the Bernie was the newest fad that you jumped on to show all your twitter/Facebook friends that you're "socially woke" and to pretend that you give a damn about the country or the people. It was an shallow act, and now that Bernie has lost you've dropped the fad and are on to the next one. You people heard the buzzword "anti-establishment" and jumped on the hype train, went to your social networks and blogs and posted links and articles about the sad state of America telling your friends to "wake up" like you were this social justice warrior but the entire thing was a damn act. You never gave a damn about the state of America or how it's people are being treated, and I mean ha why should you? It would barely affect you in the end. You're not poor, you're not LGBT, you're not a minority. At most you'll lose a dollar or two because of tax but hey life is still good.

Then when Trump/Cruz is elected and the put some ridiculously conservative judges on the SCOTUS and rollback all the progress America made, you'll sit in your ivory tower of white privilege and go "If only you people voted for Bernie! we could have avoided this!" Not once realizing that you directly contributed to the shit state of affairs when you decided to pout that your politician didn't get elected.

It's like you people don't understand a thing about politics, politics is all about compromising, even voters have to compromise. I personally would like the next 5 Presidents to be socially progressive minorities but I can't get that, but I am presented a politician who while I don't agree with all of her stances on things, she's the closest thing I've got to my ideal politician, and she's also the one who will fuck over us non white males the least and at the very least protect some of the laws that keep us safe and rollback others that hurt us. And that's the crux, you weren't "added" as a clause to be considered equal or worth protecting. We were and we'd like to see the clauses stay as they are and not eroded or removed completely because a segment of America deems us to be lessers.

But hey, take your ball and pout. That's the privilege granted to you. It must be nice.

Righteous fury feels so good doesn't it?

Spoiler

Unfortunately, doesn't really win people over to your side, so much as it does galvanize the base. I mean... one only has to think about holding that sort of righteous fury over different view points, and feeling as convinced of your certainty and moral superiority in holding those different view points... and you start to get an inkling of why that sort of rhetoric is not so convincing to bystanders.

 

[VendettaRed07]

Maybe we really do deserve Trump if people can't be bothered.

Well it isn't like Hillary and Trump will be any different

The Supreme Court doesn't really do anything anyway

 

[BennyBlanco]

It really pains me how many people give no fucks about either not voting, or throwing the vote away on a third party candidate. It really pains me.

None of it even matters unless you're in a swing state. Voting 3rd party sends a message that you're supporting a different platform.