Who is defending Fiona Sharpe or Ivor whatever here? Are you OK? I'm just defending the law and police who are only doing their job of investigating a complaint. The guy saying "oh woe is me I had to do a police interview I dodged a 5year sentence" is both bullshitting you and playing a victim too just like Fiona who lodged the complaint. The police doing their job doesn't make it a third world country though. Keep trying. "Europe", right? You're American I'm assuming.
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Who is defending Fiona Sharpe or Ivor whatever here? Are you OK? I'm just defending the law and police who are only doing their job of investigating a complaint. The guy saying "oh woe is me I had to do a police interview I dodged a 5year sentence" is both bullshitting you and playing a victim too just like Fiona who lodged the complaint. The police doing their job doesn't make it a third world country though. Keep trying. "Europe", right? You're American I'm assuming.
Tajaz2426
Psychology PhD from Wikipedia University
Been to plenty of second and third world countries, 56 to be exact. Britain is no different. You folks cower to the government and they decide who gets to be punished under their laws while others are free to do as they wish.
The only difference I see is that even the 3rd world countries don’t let thousands of children be raped repeatedly so they can say they are good people. I have never seen a group of people try their hardest to not protect there most vulnerable population.
You live in 1984 where you can be arrested for praying silently for murdered children, where folks are arrested for speaking out about Islam and their dirty little secrets of using women and children, where Jews are told not to show their faith, where you bend down to Muslims and their wishes so you can get votes.
You Brits are worse than the Muslims that did this because you allowed it. It has been known since the 1990’s this was happening. Just stop and own what you folks have allowed for three decades, yes three decades you allowed little children to be raped over and over again.
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demented waffle
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ya, you're defending the law which can have people investigated for possible crimes for social media posts. The irony of calling people "playing the victim" over a post. I guess feelings>>> freedom of speech for you.
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purvispisgah
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Ivor Caplin. What's in a name?
Sure buddy.
Uh huh. Sure.
Are you insane? Fiona Sharpe and Ivor Caplin are both Jewish. We have antisemitic laws here that work fine. What has islam got to do with Fiona's complaint to the police about Hatfield being hateful to Ivor Caplin? Are you just going on a rant about Muslims?
RagnarokIV
Battlebus imprisoning me \m/ >.< \m/
At least he's semi sane. I've a friend I've known for years, she's just married a Labour representative for one of the local areas just by me (In my old town)
Educated girl, was training to be a lawyer. All I see of her now is her holding shitty protests in our local town centre, usual crap, 'queers for Palestine', 'Refugees welcome', sometimes with the local Police all donning their LGBT getup. A few months back these goons and a load from the towns College held a 'Communist' rally
I had to delete her off my socials, it just made me want to puke in the end.
Cretins everywhere.
Pic for reference. This is in one of the most run down towns in Essex and one of the highest crime rates.. yet here they are, asking for more
On a side note, we've never had any crime due to 'racism..'
Pat Tate would be turning in his grave.
demented waffle
Gold Member
Shame we can't see the meme and who it was actually offensive to. I'm guessing a religion or race.
demented waffle
Gold Member
The Babylon Bee is a satire website...
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
If you ever wonder how totalitarian, fascist, communist, and every other dictatorship rises into power…
Take a long hard look at your neighbors.
Chances are their apathy for atrocities or rushing to the defense of unjust laws, are exactly how it’s achieved.
United we stand, divided we fall. A tale as old as time itself.
Take a long hard look at your neighbors.
Chances are their apathy for atrocities or rushing to the defense of unjust laws, are exactly how it’s achieved.
United we stand, divided we fall. A tale as old as time itself.
demented waffle
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But let me get this straight, you're ok with someone being arrested if somebody offends someone?
No, not simply offending someone. I'm ok with somebody getting fined for being found guilty of going on a harassment campaign against an individual, especially with possibly fabricated information that can ruin a person. This hasn't happened though anyway. I'm more than fine with the police investigating such a complaint and finding out if such a thing has occurred though. That does not make it a second/third world country. It makes it anything but.
Triggernometry interviewed Stephen Fry recently and Fry did not disagree with the idea of offending someone else being a crime. Even though he’s a comedian and had been instrumental in fighting against censorship and blasphemy laws earlier in his career.
I almost could not believe what I was hearing.
demented waffle
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So not arrests, just fines. Can't make this shit up.
Donald mac Ronald
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Bro the police literally told Jews to not show they were Jewish around those pro palatine marches. Don't want to enrage the hamas terrorist lovers any more do we .
demented waffle
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Funny thing is that they are the same people wanting this muslim immigration.
What are you saying here? I don't even understand anymore. Nobody was arrested, they were interviewed under caution. Of course the outcome would be determined on other factors if that's what you're saying but I think you're waffling a bit now.
I'm more than Ok for the existence of the law I'm saying. It prevents people from spreading false information online in the hope of ruining or harassing that person despite them (Ivor Caplin) even being under investigation themselves. I also support police who investigate complaints with due diligence.
if they actually could with evidence be seen to be breaking said law and face a trial, the severity of the sentence would depend on that and be limited to 6 months maximum (not 5 years) and there is common sense in sentencing which usually just means a fine to prevent said person from doing it again and not a costly prison sentence. The law is there to prevent online harassment especially with false information. Hatfield wasn't even arrested he was interviewed because of a complaint but he and others are making a mountain out of a molehill.
I'm sure not to increase tensions and prevent rioting but what has this got to do with Fionas police complaint regarding Ivor and Hatfield?
Ivor Caplin and Fiona Sharpe are both jewish. He's going on an anti-Islamic rant which isn't even relevant.
It's akin to asking people not to flash their mobiles in public (which they've had adverts about) to not attract theives. Doesn't mean it's a third world country or that they're "bending the knee to criminals" when they're trying to take measures to prevent crimes from happening.
demented waffle
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You were the one advocating for fines. It's up the thread. The name waffle might be in my name, but I'm not waffling at all.
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demented waffle
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So you're ok with certain citizens of your country not able to partake in free speech? O wait, you hate all free speech. nvm
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Advocating for fines? I don't understand what you're even on about anymore. You seem to be misunderstanding what I'm discussing. Yes I'm advocating the existence of the law and police investigations of cases where people harras others with possible false information. That doesn't mean I'm advocating for fine in a specific instance of this investigation. Nothing has even come of it meaning Fiona didn't have a good case.
demented waffle
Gold Member
The bolded.
Is this like one of those "so what you're saying is.. " and then saying something completely irrelevant and never said?
Like what the fuck are you talking about? What "certain citizens"? Fiona Ivor and Hatfield all have the same rights. If anything Fiona and Ivor have more. They're all white, 2 are Jewish and Hatfield I have no idea what his religion is. What is "certain citizens"? Are you trying to bring race into a debate that had nothing to do with race or ethnicity? That Communication Act law applies to everybody.
demented waffle
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Bolded again for the post you quoted.
What about it? I'm saying I'm ok with the existence of a law that would normally fine people for harrasing others online with possible false information and the police doing their duty. I'm not advocating for fines in this particular case. I have no information in the case or what complaint was filed nor am I going to complain about an interview that was after that information. Nobody was fined and nobody arrested so I assume everything is cool?
demented waffle
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You just literally said you were ok with fines. And define harassment please. Harassment for you bootlickers is simply hurting someone's feelings.
You're really reaching now. Asking people to follow some advice to prevent crime from occurring is not having less rights or preventing free speech. When the police say dont show your mobile publicly at night they don't mean you dont have rights to show your mobile. They can if they want and they would not face any consequence in the legal system. If anything Jewish people have more rights as a race beyond religion. But again you've still not answered how this is related to the case of Fiona, Ivor and Hatfield which is what I was discussing before somebody went on an anti-islam rant.
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No it's usually reserved for trying to ruin somebody's life online particularly with false information. I don't know what you're hung up about but
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demented waffle
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So you're ok with a certain segment of your country not being able to exercise rights due to anthropoids getting violent? There were instances of Jews getting threatened with arrest if they didn't disperse.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/...arrest-openly-jewish-man-palestini-rcna148676
Funny how you posted an article where police apologised for acting inappropriately. Almost like that never happens in the US or something. Where are you even from?
by "threatening" even meaning it was just his feelings hurt right? 'free speech' and all with false information. If he had been arrested the legal system allows that man to take action against the police and then I'm sure due diligence would work just fine and you will have no problem.
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demented waffle
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So they apologized after the fact that they were caught.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
So, they’re the problem then.
possibly but only depending on whoever started or broke laws in that hypothetical provocation. The people trying to prevent that confrontation are certainly not though even though legally they were in the wrong. Who's to say he wouldn't have hurled abuse at the protesters or broke any laws though?
Whoever shows violence in that scenario is the problem but you don't know that by simply guessing who was there and possibly would start trouble. That is your own prejudice.
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demented waffle
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So you deny their rights over a hypothetical situation? They might've hurled abuse. lol
You really like making up arguments huh. No I'm saying you can't say 'they're' a problem without anything having occurred. You can just as easily say he could be a problem in a hypothetical provocation. And I've already said the police making a threat to arrest for disturbing the peace was wrong but you like setting up strawmen.
demented waffle
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Holy fuck. You are a fucking meme at this point. Tell your goosestepping policemen to come after me.
P:axMagellanic
Member
It's downright Marxist criminology. Political crimes were treated worse than violent offences in the USSR.
"Who's to say" doesn't contradict anything I've said. You're the meme here. Maybe English isn't your first language. Still haven't said where you're from.
demented waffle
Gold Member
You're a fucking meme.
So you reply with the same thing again? Are you being obtuse? I'm saying the police nor anybody else have a clue who would commit some violence or break the law in a hypothetical provocation between some protestor and somebody who might be against those protesters. who is to say the protestors would have done so, who's to say he wouldn't have done so? Anything else is prejudice. This is not a hard concept to understand but you seem to be struggling with it.
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demented waffle
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In. Your. Own. Fucking. Words.
demented waffle
Gold Member
And also this. lol On your latest post. You keep doubling down. Just fuck off somewhere.
Yes my own words which you clearly do not seem to understand. Maybe you struggle with the English language. Somebody said "they're" the problem ie the protesters because they may commit a crime. And I said hypothetically you don't know who will commit a crime in a hypothetical provocation situation. "who's to say... " doesn't mean what you think it does. I'm pretty sure you don't understand English very well or enjoy strawman arguments.
Maybe you should fuck off somewhere but you're not even saying where you're from to fuck off to.
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demented waffle
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Yes? But do you understand them? Clearly not.
BlackTron
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This comment tracks for how cogent you've been the rest of this thread...
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