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[IDKFA]

*broadly speaking of Western Europe and the Middle East.

England was never fighting off the middle east. Western Europe? Sure, if we look at the Umayyad conquest of Spain and the Reconquista, but that's it for the west.

Nothing that links gangs of Pakistani men starting up rape gangs in England Not even remotely close to a link there.

 

[simpatico]

England was never fighting off the middle east. Western Europe? Sure, if we look at the Umayyad conquest of Spain and the Reconquista, but that's it for the west.

Nothing that links gangs of Pakistani men starting up rape gangs in England Not even remotely close to a link there.

They probably would have stopped at Vienna anyways. Do you think the English wrote any songs expressing joyous relief of the Ottomons failure in the Siege? Random question I know.

 

[Square2015]

How is this scandal being covered over at the O-T forums at ERA? Has there been any discussion at all?

 

[jason10mm]

England was never fighting off the middle east. Western Europe? Sure, if we look at the Umayyad conquest of Spain and the Reconquista, but that's it for the west.

Nothing that links gangs of Pakistani men starting up rape gangs in England Not even remotely close to a link there.

In a sense they did with the crusades, as a struggle against the incursion of Islamic forces into areas that were Christian. And certainly the English have been involved in that area for centuries. And I bet that does play a bit for why this is happening.

 

[P:axMagellanic]

Postal vote, what a surprise. We're back to the bad old days of 'rotten boroughs.'

Reading that video it looks like one of the pieces of shit who threatened him is now in my local council of Bolton. (Sean fielding)

Not sure what to do tbh, maybe email all the Tories and independents this video with the time stamp.

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

Short but to the point.

 

[Boss Mog]

No, no, no. You don't understand. The councils and police might have been called 'racist' if they went after the perpetrators! It's all for 'social cohesion'. It's for the greater good!

Actually that take is rather naïve. It goes far beyond the idea of maintaining social cohesion and into preventing civil war. Western European governments fear muslim uprisings because they know that if they happen and they quash them, the optics will be terrible and will have worldwide consequences. I once saw a video of somebody explaining that a muslim man was arrested in the UK for assaulting another man with a brick, something potentially fatal. Apparently the local imam showed up to the police station and demanded the muslim be released and said that it he wasn't, he would gather all the local muslims and they would riot in the streets and so the police just let the guy go.

There will never be social cohesion, and the governments know this. Europeans are not suddenly gonna think raping kids is cool. Governments are just trying to keep a slowly sinking ship afloat as long as they can but a civil war at some point in the future is guaranteed. The cultures are just too different to ever coexist unless there is a police state maintaining absolute control and severely punishing anything that disrupts social cohesion like in Singapore. Singapore is one of the most diverse nations in the world in terms of races and religions but everybody gets along and the people are nice.

 

[No BBC=Anger]

Actually that take is rather naïve. It goes far beyond the idea of maintaining social cohesion and into preventing civil war. Western European governments fear muslim uprisings because they know that if they happen and they quash them, the optics will be terrible and will have worldwide consequences. I once saw a video of somebody explaining that a muslim man was arrested in the UK for assaulting another man with a brick, something potentially fatal. Apparently the local imam showed up to the police station and demanded the muslim be released and said that it he wasn't, he would gather all the local muslims and they would riot in the streets and so the police just let the guy go.

There will never be social cohesion, and the governments know this. Europeans are not suddenly gonna think raping kids is cool. Governments are just trying to keep a slowly sinking ship afloat as long as they can but a civil war at some point in the future is guaranteed. The cultures are just too different to ever coexist unless there is a police state maintaining absolute control and severely punishing anything that disrupts social cohesion like in Singapore. Singapore is one of the most diverse nations in the world in terms of races and religions but everybody gets along and the people are nice.

Almost like a Northern Ireland 2.0 on a wider scale. In Ireland they are speed-running mass immigration and I can say for a fact that the connection is never made IRL and on mainstream media it's all sunshine and rainbows. Only online the bigger picture is seen.

 

[IDKFA]

Do you think the English wrote any songs expressing joyous relief of the Ottomons failure in the Siege? Random question I know.

Not that I'm aware of. We had more important worries closer to home in 1683.

 

[simpatico]

Not that I'm aware of. We had more important worries closer to home in 1683.

Well, since you're big on technicalities, the name of the song is "On the Relief of Vienna". It was written in 1683 when Polish Hussars came within inches of losing the Austrian capital to the Ottomans during a two-month siege. Enslavement, forced conversion and more awaited the woman and children had they failed. I'm not sure if the original listeners would trade their assured safety for barber shops and food stands. Let's try a thought experiment. Imagine a 28-year-old English man who was alive to hear On the Relief of Vienna when it was new. Drop him in modern day Birmingham for 72 hours. What would his assessment be? Do you think he's going to give a nuanced take about the vast differences between Turks and Pakis, potential benefits of cultural enrichment and exotic food options? If we go and interview any of the newcomer lads in Birmingham about their thoughts on making the UK an Islamic nation, would we find any interest?

I am not English, and frankly my time in Istanbul was more enjoyable than my time in London. But I still think those lads deserve their own homeland if they want it.

 

[IDKFA]

Well, since you're big on technicalities, the name of the song is "On the Relief of Vienna". It was written in 1683 when Polish Hussars came within inches of losing the Austrian capital to the Ottomans during a two-month siege. Enslavement, forced conversion and more awaited the woman and children had they failed.

That's not really true, although this isn't the thread to debate the inner workings of the Ottoman Empire.

I'm not sure if the original listeners would trade their assured safety for barber shops and food stands. Let's try a thought experiment. Imagine a 28-year-old English man who was alive to hear On the Relief of Vienna when it was new. Drop him in modern day Birmingham for 72 hours. What would his assessment be?

I see where this is going

Do you think he's going to give a nuanced take about the vast differences between Turks and Pakis, potential benefits of cultural enrichment and exotic food options? If we go and interview any of the newcomer lads in Birmingham about their thoughts on making the UK an Islamic nation, would we find any interest?

I am not English, and frankly my time in Istanbul was more enjoyable than my time in London. But I still think those lads deserve their own homeland if they want it.

Why don't you just say it's about mass immigration? No need to bring up medieval England, the Ottoman Empire or (as below) the Crusades. They have nothing to do with these rape gangs.

I get that England has changed. I was born and raised here. There are some parts of my town that have changed so much that they feel like a foreign country.

However, regardless of what I think of this, it's now impossible to change. Mass migration has been a policy for decades, not to mention the tens of thousands who come in illegally via the Channel crossings. We can't go back or reverse this.

The main issue with this case is the authorities tired to cover it up to avoid a break down in race relations. That needs to be the focus. There needs to be punishment for those who attempted a cover up and steps taken so this never happens again.

 

[Ulysses 31]

That's not really true, although this isn't the thread to debate the inner workings of the Ottoman Empire.

It was either convert, accept 2nd class citizenship as dhimmi's or be killed. And Muslim men are allowed to take non-Muslim (sex)slaves.

 

[Tams]

That's not really true, although this isn't the thread to debate the inner workings of the Ottoman Empire.



I see where this is going



Why don't you just say it's about mass immigration? No need to bring up medieval England, the Ottoman Empire or (as below) the Crusades. They have nothing to do with these rape gangs.

I get that England has changed. I was born and raised here. There are some parts of my town that have changed so much that they feel like a foreign country.

However, regardless of what I think of this, it's now impossible to change. Mass migration has been a policy for decades, not to mention the tens of thousands who come in illegally via the Channel crossings. We can't go back or reverse this.

The main issue with this case is the authorities tired to cover it up to avoid a break down in race relations. That needs to be the focus. There needs to be punishment for those who attempted a cover up and steps taken so this never happens again.

I think civil unrest is coming in the next decade or two, and it's going to get very, very nasty.

 

[IDKFA]

I think civil unrest is coming in the next decade or two, and it's going to get very, very nasty.

We already had that in the Summer. The government cracked down in the most heavy way possible. People were arrested and sent to prison in less than a week. People were also sent to prison for making social media posts or even being at the riots and filming rather than actually taking part.

Migration will continue in the UK and Europe forever because of human rights laws preventing any direct action. Also a lot of people in this country are also fine with mass migration. There is a woman who I work with who thinks the government should send Navy ships to France and North Africa and bring back as many "refugees" as possible. Question this with her and you're a "racist" or "Nazi". Ask her how we're supposed to house this people, not to mention hospitals, schools, jobs etc and her answer is "not my problem. That's the government's problem to resolve". There are millions of people like her.

It's a difficult problem because looking at it logically, we can't keep migration up at this level. The UK, especially England, has destroyed and built over more of it's natural environment than any other nation in Europe. We can't build enough homes for the people we already have here (Labour's plan to build 1.5 million homes is not going to happen. Even if they did, it still wouldn't be enough) and our national health service is on it's knees. But nobody wants to talk about this like adults out of fear of being called racist.

This leads us to these rape gangs. Nobody wanted to take action because of fear of being called racist and/or damaging race relations. This is the biggest issue. It's not racist to call out these rape gangs and have them punished quickly. It's not racist to want to stem the tide of migration to improve the quality of life of everyone in this country. It's common sense, at least it should be anyway.

Sorry for the long rant.

 

[Tams]

We already had that in the Summer. The government cracked down in the most heavy way possible. People were arrested and sent to prison in less than a week. People were also sent to prison for making social media posts or even being at the riots and filming rather than actually taking part.

Migration will continue in the UK and Europe forever because of human rights laws preventing any direct action. Also a lot of people in this country are also fine with mass migration. There is a woman who I work with who thinks the government should send Navy ships to France and North Africa and bring back as many "refugees" as possible. Question this with her and you're a "racist" or "Nazi". Ask her how we're supposed to house this people, not to mention hospitals, schools, jobs etc and her answer is "not my problem. That's the government's problem to resolve". There are millions of people like her.

It's a difficult problem because looking at it logically, we can't keep migration up at this level. The UK, especially England, has destroyed and built over more of it's natural environment than any other nation in Europe. We can't build enough homes for the people we already have here (Labour's plan to build 1.5 million homes is not going to happen. Even if they did, it still wouldn't be enough) and our national health service is on it's knees. But nobody wants to talk about this like adults out of fear of being called racist.

This leads us to these rape gangs. Nobody wanted to take action because of fear of being called racist and/or damaging race relations. This is the biggest issue. It's not racist to call out these rape gangs and have them punished quickly. It's not racist to want to stem the tide of migration to improve the quality of life of everyone in this country. It's common sense, at least it should be anyway.

Sorry for the long rant.

They overblew those summer riots. Very few turned up to them, and they charged people who were only tangentially involved.

No, in the future proper riots are going to happen. Ones where the odd short-arse policewoman who shouldn't be in a riot line are going to get worse than Bruce Lee kicked to ground.

But yes, I agree with your assessment of the state of the UK. We're fucked and we have too many naïve idiots who won't even discuss issues. I work for a political party and let me tell you, they point blank refuse to ever have discussions about issues; it's all about campaigning. They'd rather discuss shit like The Traitors or The Masked Singer, or work on the next pub quiz.

 

[Bojji]

We already had that in the Summer. The government cracked down in the most heavy way possible. People were arrested and sent to prison in less than a week. People were also sent to prison for making social media posts or even being at the riots and filming rather than actually taking part.

Migration will continue in the UK and Europe forever because of human rights laws preventing any direct action. Also a lot of people in this country are also fine with mass migration. There is a woman who I work with who thinks the government should send Navy ships to France and North Africa and bring back as many "refugees" as possible. Question this with her and you're a "racist" or "Nazi". Ask her how we're supposed to house this people, not to mention hospitals, schools, jobs etc and her answer is "not my problem. That's the government's problem to resolve". There are millions of people like her.

It's a difficult problem because looking at it logically, we can't keep migration up at this level. The UK, especially England, has destroyed and built over more of it's natural environment than any other nation in Europe. We can't build enough homes for the people we already have here (Labour's plan to build 1.5 million homes is not going to happen. Even if they did, it still wouldn't be enough) and our national health service is on it's knees. But nobody wants to talk about this like adults out of fear of being called racist.

This leads us to these rape gangs. Nobody wanted to take action because of fear of being called racist and/or damaging race relations. This is the biggest issue. It's not racist to call out these rape gangs and have them punished quickly. It's not racist to want to stem the tide of migration to improve the quality of life of everyone in this country. It's common sense, at least it should be anyway.

Sorry for the long rant.

There are people like that because they are brainwashed by propaganda served by BBC and others. If media only served pure truth and objective opinions NO ONE (other than mentally ill) would advocate for uncontrolled immigration of people with COMPLETLY different and incompatible culture. There are NO benefits to this.

Lot of things are mentioned in this video:

 

[simpatico]

That's not really true, although this isn't the thread to debate the inner workings of the Ottoman Empire.



I see where this is going



Why don't you just say it's about mass immigration? No need to bring up medieval England, the Ottoman Empire or (as below) the Crusades. They have nothing to do with these rape gangs.

I get that England has changed. I was born and raised here. There are some parts of my town that have changed so much that they feel like a foreign country.

However, regardless of what I think of this, it's now impossible to change. Mass migration has been a policy for decades, not to mention the tens of thousands who come in illegally via the Channel crossings. We can't go back or reverse this.

The main issue with this case is the authorities tired to cover it up to avoid a break down in race relations. That needs to be the focus. There needs to be punishment for those who attempted a cover up and steps taken so this never happens again.

Impossible? In this the same little island that brought order, technology and riches to the world? Deporting a few hundred thousand low class nomads would be light work for the Britannia of yore. 2-4 weeks tops. Sad to see their decedents completely paralyzed by fear and cowardice. Willing to give up everything to avoid possibly being called a meanie by strangers. Guess what? If you don’t deport them and continue to cower, they’re still going to call you racist. That doesn’t change.

 

[IDKFA]

Impossible? In this the same little island that brought order, technology and riches to the world? Deporting a few hundred thousand low class nomads would be light work for the Britannia of yore. 2-4 weeks tops. Sad to see their decedents completely paralyzed by fear and cowardice. Willing to give up everything to avoid possibly being called a meanie by strangers. Guess what? If you don’t deport them and continue to cower, they’re still going to call you racist. That doesn’t change.

Yes. Impossible, or at least there are so many hurdles in the way that it might as well be impossible.

Where would we deport them to? What if no country decides to take them? Then what? You can't just deport hundreds of thousands of people.

The international community and our largest trading partners wouldn't be impressed either. It would result in crippling financial sanctions to a country that is already fast becoming the poor man of Europe again. The UN and European Courts of Human Rights would have a field day with this.

Not to mention there would be civil unrest in the country between those who are for and against deportations.

No sane government would carry out this action. The only way it would work is if the rest of Europe followed suit, but that isn't ever going to happen. Even if it did, we're back to the first problem, but only on a grander scale.

 

[Tams]

Impossible? In this the same little island that brought order, technology and riches to the world? Deporting a few hundred thousand low class nomads would be light work for the Britannia of yore. 2-4 weeks tops. Sad to see their decedents completely paralyzed by fear and cowardice. Willing to give up everything to avoid possibly being called a meanie by strangers. Guess what? If you don’t deport them and continue to cower, they’re still going to call you racist. That doesn’t change.

Many of our institutions are lost, some outright taken over.

 

[Hookshot]

Bradford you say?

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