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UK's so-called "grooming gangs" get international attention
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Hugare
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Multiculturalism was a mistake
You either abide by the country rules and culture or you are out. Trying to incorporate every culture and religion to your country could only result in disaster.
This is why I admire Japan: they pick some stuff from western culture, sure, but they dont bend their knees. Their culture and society are still unique. It's hard af for immigrants to be inserted in their society, as it should be.
I'm so sorry for those girls...
And what a fucking idiot take by Tom Holland, jesus.
You either abide by the country rules and culture or you are out. Trying to incorporate every culture and religion to your country could only result in disaster.
This is why I admire Japan: they pick some stuff from western culture, sure, but they dont bend their knees. Their culture and society are still unique. It's hard af for immigrants to be inserted in their society, as it should be.
I'm so sorry for those girls...
And what a fucking idiot take by Tom Holland, jesus.
FunkMiller
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There's been a lot of hand waving and ignoring of issues around immigrants because of one thing: they work cheap. Businesses and governments are quite happy to turn a blind eye to the problems with integration and backwards beliefs and values, as long as they get to pay the minimum wage.
None of this is likely to change any time soon.
Hugare
Member
My graduation's thesis was about immigration's workforce in Europe and its importance. I've read tons of papers about it.
It's a very hard topic to come up with a sollution. Japan, as I've mentioned, arent facing the same problems as Europe right now with immigrants. In the other hand, they are getting older and their population is dimminishing rapidly. What to do?
Selecting educated immigrants would be a start, imo
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
We have seen how well that is received though with the H1B issue blowing up recently.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
My religious beliefs (or lack of) have nothing to do with this. Paganism, Christianity, Hinduism etc also have nothing to do with this scandal.
Maybe.
We can agree that Islam isn't a race. It's a religion that anybody can convert to.
However, there is a push in the UK for stricter laws for "Islamaphobia". In 2019 the Labour party attempted to come up with a definition of Islamaphobia which on one had stated that Islam wasn't a race, but criticism or hatred towards Islam could still be considered racist.
They've not implemented this yet, but a few months ago Musilm organisations in the UK were urging Labour to go adopt their definition without delay to help tackle Islamaphobia.
It's a bit of a confusing mess to be honest, but in this case I think it boils down to covering up the attackers because they weren't white British more than thier religion.
Either way, bringing in all religions groups into this topic and criticising all religions is tarring them all with the same brush.
FunkMiller
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Other religions such as Christianity left behind the levels of barbarism we see displayed in Islam a long time ago, thankfully.
However, these grooming gangs have operated the way they have predominantly due to their religious beliefs.
I only push back when people start trying to say this isn't the case, and that religion isn't the driving force, when the evidence is ample that it is.
These aren't well educated, enlightened atheist Arabs we're talking about here. They are deeply religious individuals who hide behind their book to take part in and justify these atrocities.
Roufianos
Member
Maybe that was the expectation but only 50% of Muslims in the UK are actually in employment. Moreso than terrorism or grooming gangs, the biggest backfire to immigration from MENA is the day to day drain on society via benefits.
Doczu
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This is just prime shitposting 101.
He want's the news to get even more public, so that maybe someone will finally do something about it.
SminkyPinky
Neo Member
Unless it hasn't been answered: What do you think his reasons are if they are not altruistic?
Unknown Soldier
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FunkMiller
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The idiotic levels of anger and vitriol being spewed in the wake of this are A) hilarious B) exactly what he was after.
He's shit posting, people. He's not important to UK politics. Don't get your fucking panties in such a bunch
deathstardom
Banned
I've been hearing this since 1995 about Japan.
"They are in trouble in a few years. Their workforce is aging and they aren't having enough birth replacement"
After 30 years, I keep hearing it and they keep chugging on normally
Hugare
Member
Could you elaborate on that? As a non-american, I'm not aware of it.
Googled it but didnt find exactly the issue.
He is 100% using it for political purposes
But if it means justice for those girls, I really dont care about his reasons.
Cyberpunkd
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Except the Japanese are heading towards disaster with e.g. not having enough doctors or nurses to care for the elderly unless they let people in. Same for working construction, maintaining public services e.g. your thrash will be taken every 3, not 2 days. In the city hall you will be able to fill out forms till 3pm, not 5pm, etc. Not enough doctors - that appointment that took 3 months 20 years ago will now take a year, sucks for you if you die due to undiagnosed cancer...
With Japan it might just work since the Japanese will sit and wait for the inevitable, but this will not be the situation in majority of the countries worldwide.
Another example - illegal immigrants working on the farms in the US, but even Europe. Without them the whole faming system (or parts of it) will collapse, since nobody wants to do it for official rates.
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Tams
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It got deleted from Reddit, but there was a video of Japanese immigration restraining a visa overstayer who was refusing to leave.
He said, 'I'm Japanese!', to which one immigration officer replied with a chuckle, 'No, you definitely are not'.
Cyberpunkd
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You know how numbers work? https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/japan-population/#google_vignette
They are right now 5 millions less than in approx. 2009 when they peaked (128 million). You already hear stories about villages or small towns being completely abandoned since everyone either moved or died.
In 2050 - 25 years from now - they are forecasted to be at 105 million, which is 18 million less than right now, and with a median age of 52 years. As mentioned in my previous post - queues to the doctor will get longer, thrash will be taken out less often, roads, buildings, etc. will be repaired less often and as a result with degrade more, etc., etc.
In Europe you have additional problem nobody is talking about since it's a political suicide - less working people and more retirees means more money spent on retirement pensions. So you have two choices:
1. You are going to tax people professionally active more - good luck with that
2. You are going to pay less retirement money (that is usually defined as % of your last pay check before retirement) - already the forecast for Poland in 20-30 years is your retirement being approx. 20% of what you earned just before your retirement ; if you didn't save on your own (and most people do not) you are fucked
If you were working behind the desk or in a liberal profession - maybe you can keep on working, maybe even some people still want to continue working as a means to keep active and engaged. But that will not be an option for vast majority of people, especially since government is really not pushing on making sure people stay healthy as their age.
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I see he's on another ket binge then.
Bojji
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Problem is big but unrestricted illegal immigration isn't the answer.
Most of those people don't work at all and drain social system of western European countries.
To have high fertility they would also have to bring African and Arab women with their mindset about children, what they get is vast majority of men that won't even find any woman to breed with.
It's also proven that people stops breeding like rabbits when they live in much more developed country.
This is world wide problem, Japan and SK are just the most affected.
Cyberpunkd
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A few things:
1. Of course unrestricted illegal immigration is not the answer. Nobody wants that, even less government since illegals = black work = no taxes paid. No matter what government they want people to pay taxes, that never changes.
2. As for draining the social system - anyone cares to quote numbers and objective studies? If they are illegal in Europe they don't get shit. Even if they get it it is heavily restricted e.g. recent changes in the system for non-working foreigners in France make the wait 5 years before accessing benefits. The problem is often people that work minimum, drop off to live on benefits, start working the minimum again, drop off to live on benefits, rinse repeat. However this can be solved by restricting the system (which is already happening).
3. On average well-off (white) French families have many kids, at least 3. It is a cultural issue, since in Poland even if you are very well off you don't really think of having more than 2. Where I live in Paris it is normal to see families of 3, when I was for two weeks in Poland I saw ONE family like that, and I was always surrounded by them doing things with my kids.
Bojji
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France has higher fertility rate.
Immigration only helps initially (it's boosting numbers of new people), it does not solve fertility issued world is facing.
I don't know specifics but for sure illegals get money and shelter in many countries.
Roman Empire faced declining birth rates too. Augustus attempted to address this by passing laws incentivizing having children and disincentivizing being childless, as well as pushing for greater religiosity. Didn’t really work though for the educated class. Just like back then, it’s expensive now to raise kids to what is deemed the proper standard, and no one likes being told what to do regarding family matters.
When the barbarians cross the gates and we rebuild in a thousand years we’ll give it another shot.
When the barbarians cross the gates and we rebuild in a thousand years we’ll give it another shot.
Cyberpunkd
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The problem with Germany that nobody is talking about in this video is also the fact they are 15 years behind when it comes to CC adoption. The number of places that do not accept cards there is mind-boggling, or at least they do with a high spending limit. In France I almost never see places like that (and people don't shop there, so more merchants are incentivised to accept them).
Other than that I agree with the restrictions they put on the cards, but there is also a double standard at play here e.g. in France unemployed get a lot of benefits and often enter for free to things like theatres, museums, etc. You would think if you are unemployed you should concentrate on finding the job, not appreciating Mona Lisa.
Cyberpunkd
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That is what I said - in France well-off families have many kids, while the same level of living in Poland you get max 2. There is also a cultural component at play here. Where in the US an educated woman might think she doesn't want to be a mother in France the same woman will be like: "let's have many!".
One of the big problems in drawing any conclusions or running an analysis is the fact France has almost no demographic and ethnic data as it is illegal to have it (remnants of Vichy).
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Go_Ly_Dow
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Keir Starmer attacks spread of 'lies' on grooming gangs
The prime minister says those who spread misinformation about child sexual exploitation are "not interested in victims".
www.bbc.co.uk
Doczu
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Keir Starmer attacks spread of 'lies' on grooming gangs
The prime minister says those who spread misinformation about child sexual exploitation are "not interested in victims".www.bbc.co.uk
I am at a loss of words. When will they admit that this isn't just an over blown conspiracy?
Donald mac Ronald
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I'm not sure why Elon is turning on farage all of a sudden.
As indifferent people are towards him. He's the only person that isn't in the main stream parties with any sort of big profile. We never would have left the eu without him.
And reform would have no identity without him.
As indifferent people are towards him. He's the only person that isn't in the main stream parties with any sort of big profile. We never would have left the eu without him.
And reform would have no identity without him.
Cyberpunkd
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I mean...they are Labour after all, if you know anything about UK Left you know they are a bunch of deluded folks. The only thing worse than them are Tories.
Werewolf Jones
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ALL REAL NO CGI
Doczu
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No i don't know much about british politics. I'm more into continental (geo)politics of my neighbours (PL here).
But from what i see they're cunts.
Angry_Megalodon
Member
So you don't understand why someone would be outraged at the systemic coverage of thousands of underage girls being raped and killed by barbarian gangs?
Am I reading correctly?
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Cyberpunkd
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Because it is not the first time that UK authorities have problems with correctly reacting to sexual crimes:
Jimmy Savile sexual abuse scandal - Wikipedia
Once? Okiiiiiiiiish. Second time?
If Musk wanted Reform in power, going after Farage and promoting Tommy Robinson was not the way to do it. Robinson would get less votes than I would if we were both propped up by Musk.
He's right to bring attention to it, but he's giving the media the chance to dismiss him as a ranting loon which considering they were already complicit in this will just lead them to stop all coverage and the story is gone again.
He's right to bring attention to it, but he's giving the media the chance to dismiss him as a ranting loon which considering they were already complicit in this will just lead them to stop all coverage and the story is gone again.
PatientGamer
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The white brits have really let their own down. They're more scared of being called 'racist' than actually protecting their own kids. It's fucking insane.
Sure the UK's past if horrible, but so is every other country's if you look far back enough.
What they've now done is take the term 'immigration' and co-opted it to mean: Enter into our country at-will, commit heinous acts and get away with it.
What's worst of all is that all the feminist queens are completely silent on this issue.
Where have they disappeared to?
Sure the UK's past if horrible, but so is every other country's if you look far back enough.
What they've now done is take the term 'immigration' and co-opted it to mean: Enter into our country at-will, commit heinous acts and get away with it.
What's worst of all is that all the feminist queens are completely silent on this issue.
Where have they disappeared to?
He is only exploiting the victims to push civil unrest, and distract as you noted.
It's impossible to take those that are anti-feminist as seriously interested in women's safety. They scoff at believewomen, then act shaken when women weren't believed.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Well there are two parts to this:
1) the systematic cover-up of mainly Pakistani gangs of men raping white girls - not a conspiracy, plain fact
2) that this became republicised and politicised 6 months into a labor government after 14 years of conservative rule - timing is a little sus.
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Resident Cheap Arse
Keir Starmer attacks spread of 'lies' on grooming gangs
The prime minister says those who spread misinformation about child sexual exploitation are "not interested in victims".www.bbc.co.uk
The playbook from Starmer and the government is very much to label anyone who so much as raises the subject as Right Wing and racist.
A response to Starmer's speech from one of the victims and a key campaigner
Sammy Woodhouse - Wikipedia
The Cockatrice
I'm retarded?
This all fucked up and I havent read the whole thread, but are there any repercussions? Heads falling? Are people losing jobs? Jail? Or just social media awareness and things will carry on being the same? Im going to assume nothing will change. We need vigilantes like The Punisher irl.
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Doczu
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I am not one of those idiots that would point the finger to the current government and say "it's their fault!".
I knew about these things for years when it was called a tin foil conspiracy theory (the covering part of it) and after that a right wing hate campaign.
So yeah, the blood is on the hands of anyone who knew from the start, still they need to come out clean cause it will burn harder the longer they'll keep their heads in their asses.
CompleteGlobalSaturation
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Indeed.
CompleteGlobalSaturation
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I have no problem with immigration as long as you are a decent human AND have a net positive contribution to the wider society in some meaningful way. And of course, you better learn the damn language. Unfortunately the open border policy of the UK is horrendous. There are thousands and thousands of asylum seekers in the UK who are going to contribute fuck all to the economy or society at large.
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Absolutely. The indigenous girls are heavily trafficked.
The Trafficked: Sexual exploitation is costing Canadian women their lives
An investigation into the exploitation of indigenous women and girls
www.theglobeandmail.com
Not sure there is a significant issue like what they have in England though, targeting white girls by 'asian' men.
This is basically happening EVERYWHERE there are vulnerable girls to lure away from a broken home and where police/government is dysfunctional due to intersectional politics, socioeconomic differences, or whatever. "Used to be" the police kinda kept the races separate for predatory activity, at least in the US, where, for example, blacks girls could be raped by black guys with a low level of police interest, but woe be the black guy who dared TOUCH a white girl. Shit like that is kind of the root of the problem we have now, where an overcorrection on racial policing is now allowing minorites to "catch up" in a sense, because the police have swung too far in the other direction.
Islam, or at least cultures in areas that practice islam, do protect their women. Of course its a matter of POV whether or not you think that's a good thing. And who knows how much sexual violence they experience within their own family circle, just not from stranger assault because they are more restricted in where they can go.
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