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UK's so-called "grooming gangs" get international attention
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FunkMiller
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Dan Hodges here being 100% correct on everything.
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Toons
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I agree, but most won't start there. And won't end there either. This topic is ripe to get spun into narratives and used as talking points without much actual support for the victims. They're going to become a statistic.
Is it regardless tho? it's clear this has been done by a certain religion by people coming from certain places. That religion tells them it's allowed and that place they came from doesn't have white girls.
The debate can have both the issues of turning a blind-eye, AND why this happened in the first place.
DaciaJC
Gold Member
It should start there, absolutely, the priority should be justice for all of the victims and ensuring these sick fucks never again have a chance to harm anyone else. But the conversation, and furthermore the plan of action, cannot end there, lest this be a never-ending stain on the nation's conscience.
near
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Yes because we know for certain that these rapists are practicing Muslims right? We know that any one from a Muslim country is a practising Muslim right? That they abide by scripture and all choices they make lead back to the Quran. Similar to anyone from Thailand being a practising Buddhist. Or the English practising Christianity. You’re imposing your own narrative on why this happened as opposed to tackling a discussion surrounding poor policing and the injustice this has led to. You cannot draw meaningful conclusions from generalisations.
You can move the goal posts all the way to the purple forum. But here in reality, there's a clear trait they all share. Practicing or not, they are Muslims coming from a majority Muslim countries, where their culture sees this as allowed. They didn't rape their daughters, or their neighbor's' daughters, it was white girls.
You can spin this anyway you like, but the narrative is clear even if you want to read it upside down.
near
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Yes, because you're a Muslim if you're born or come from a Muslim country. Stop being ignorant. You want to equate the actions of these rapists with an entire belief system because you want to, not because it is a fact. Do not conflate ethnicity with religion. That's my first point. My second point is even if they're actually Muslim, they do not behave in a way or represent the 2 billion other Muslims in the world that lead normal lives.
They are all Muslims. All of them. If they practice or not, it does not matter. Read about how what they've done is allowed in the religion, because anyone who's not Muslim is considered fair game.
The fact you can't or don't want to debate the very real issues of this religion is the problem the West is facing, the core of why these rapes were allowed to happen and covered up, and why it will continue to happen. It's not islamophobic to criticize Islam.
The 2b Muslims don't all live normal lives, not in Afghanistan, or Iran. And when asked the majority would vote for Shaira Law.
There are also fucked up things in Jewish religion I'm against and can criticize, why can't you do the same?
Jesus christ those quotation marks say it all. Fucking scum.He deleted the tweet due to backlash. Screenshot:
near
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I’ve never come across any concrete evidence in their scripture that supports such claims. I've seen plenty of Muslim people denouncing their actions on twitter. I've also seen zero evidence that suggests that this is religiously motivated. And again just because you're from a Muslim country, it doesn't make you Muslim. You can refer to them by their ethnicity if you like.
Debate what? This thread is about grooming gangs in Rotherham. I'm not here to discuss the wider issues of immigration or debate the impact religion has had on humanity.
Qatar, Saudi, Kuwait, plenty of other Muslim countries that seem fine and not impacted by war.
I'm not muslim, I'm not religious. I'm also not going to blindly critique a belief system because you tell me to.
DaciaJC
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P:axMagellanic
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What terrifies me is if Pakistanis were to rape 50 million kuffar. Imagine the backlash against peaceful Muslims?
Ohh they absolutely do by the way, sexual and physical abuse is rife within their own families, it takes a brave girl or parent to report because of the potentially fatal 'honour' shite that's ingrained.
There's more and more underage girls being forced into marriages with grown men. And this is with the legal loophole of 16-17 year olds finally being closed in 2023.
www.theguardian.com
Keep in mind there's entire swathes of English towns full of first generation immigrants that have no concept or inkling of English common law. They're kept ignorant in their own bubbles.
Ohh they absolutely do by the way, sexual and physical abuse is rife within their own families, it takes a brave girl or parent to report because of the potentially fatal 'honour' shite that's ingrained.
There's more and more underage girls being forced into marriages with grown men. And this is with the legal loophole of 16-17 year olds finally being closed in 2023.
‘Honour-based’ abuse in England increases 60% in two years
Global political influence may make assault and forced marriage more frequent and severe, say experts
www.theguardian.com
Keep in mind there's entire swathes of English towns full of first generation immigrants that have no concept or inkling of English common law. They're kept ignorant in their own bubbles.
CompleteGlobalSaturation
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I'm surprised mass murder is advocated on this forum. After all, if he could push a button to get rid of them all, he would.
FunkMiller
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I've enjoyed my time here, but if that isn't deleted, then it says a lot about how the place wants to be regarded moving forward.
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FullMetalx117
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Despicable and horrendous.
I’m seeing a lot of generalizations about Pakistani men/islam. All I’ll say is this - most good Pakistani men don’t let their wives/daughters go outside alone in Pakistan itself for reasons like. It comes off as limiting freedom, but they know what some people in their own community are capable of. And that’s why many of them are trying to get out of the country. Unfortunate many of the bad ones found their way into the UK/West.
On behalf of the good Pakistani people out there, I sincerely apologize this is happening.
I’m seeing a lot of generalizations about Pakistani men/islam. All I’ll say is this - most good Pakistani men don’t let their wives/daughters go outside alone in Pakistan itself for reasons like. It comes off as limiting freedom, but they know what some people in their own community are capable of. And that’s why many of them are trying to get out of the country. Unfortunate many of the bad ones found their way into the UK/West.
On behalf of the good Pakistani people out there, I sincerely apologize this is happening.
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near
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If you can’t handle the opinions people tend to have in these sorts of threads, don’t engage with it. Otherwise, make an effort to discuss why they’re wrong for having an opinion like that. I don’t even know what the rules are these days but they’re a lot more relaxed than they used to be, and that allows for more dissenting opinions which is a good thing as far as I’m concerned.
FunkMiller
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Oh, I'm all for relaxed rules, but calling an entire group of people horrible, vile sub-human filth is going too far. For me anyway. That's not a dissenting opinion. That's outright hate. Fine to hate the men responsible for this horror, but it's not to tar everyone from the same community as them in that way. I have both Muslim and Jewish friends who know what it's like to be on the receiving end of that kind of language. But hey, I'm sure my dumb ass won't be missed when it's gone
near
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Don’t get me wrong I agree with you, I think posts like that are appalling, but I’d rather call it out or ignore it all together, than be offended and upset by it. I personally appreciate your contributions to threads and would be disappointed to see you go over something like that.Oh, I'm all for relaxed rules, but calling an entire group of people horrible, vile sub-human filth is going too far. For me anyway. That's not a dissenting opinion. That's outright hate. Fine to hate the men responsible for this horror, but it's not to tar everyone from the same community as them in that way. I have both Muslim and Jewish friends who know what it's like to be on the receiving end of that kind of language. But hey, I'm sure my dumb ass won't be missed when it's gone
P:axMagellanic
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Wonder why it went on for so long? We have cunts like this is prominent journalist positions.
"On 10 May 2012, on the BBC's Question Time programme, Oborne commented following the jailing of a Rochdale sex trafficking gang, who had been convicted of rape, sexual activity with children and conspiracy to engage in sexual activity with children having raped, physically assaulted and sexually groomed girls as young as 12. Oborne said the victims had "accepted the advances" of their attackers and added: "What does it tell us about what's happened to our society that we have 12 year old girls, 13 year old girls, who are happy to give up their affection and their beauty to men in exchange for a packet of crisps?"
"On 10 May 2012, on the BBC's Question Time programme, Oborne commented following the jailing of a Rochdale sex trafficking gang, who had been convicted of rape, sexual activity with children and conspiracy to engage in sexual activity with children having raped, physically assaulted and sexually groomed girls as young as 12. Oborne said the victims had "accepted the advances" of their attackers and added: "What does it tell us about what's happened to our society that we have 12 year old girls, 13 year old girls, who are happy to give up their affection and their beauty to men in exchange for a packet of crisps?"
Boss Mog
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The deeper you go, the more twisted and disturbing it gets.
White girls matter less than non white according to the courts:
Child rapists are allowed to have contact with and even take custody of children born from their rapes:
The defense of these monsters is that the woke social workers said the girls gave consent so there can be no rape or grooming:
White girls matter less than non white according to the courts:
Child rapists are allowed to have contact with and even take custody of children born from their rapes:
The defense of these monsters is that the woke social workers said the girls gave consent so there can be no rape or grooming:
Go_Ly_Dow
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FYI how Islam normalises and justifies pedophillia and child rape and exploitation.
They continue to worship and live by the teachings and values espoused of the pedophile Prophet Muhammad.
en.wikipedia.org
Google and AI eager to normalise it to not be racist it seems.
They continue to worship and live by the teachings and values espoused of the pedophile Prophet Muhammad.
Aisha - Wikipedia
Google and AI eager to normalise it to not be racist it seems.
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CompleteGlobalSaturation
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Bring back the death penalty. Hang all rapists and anyone involved in child abuse. Prison is too kind for these people.
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ClanOfNone
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Religion is afforded too much protection under the law. From the Catholic priests diddling little boys to Muslim rape/grooming gangs, why do we allow this shit to happen repeatedly?
RagnarokIV
Battlebus imprisoning me \m/ >.< \m/
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FunkMiller
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Because many people are still religious, and many of them also make our laws.
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Danteyke223
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I'm always surpised as an Eastern European that the whole of Western Europe was okay with this in terms of letting a religion like Islam grow there. It's religion never went through any kind of reformation or reconciliation about the fact that they pretty much just don't have a unified code. They still justify murder and rape of non-believers, and also a lot of extremists will go around saying: Yeah infidel women don't matter do what you want.
Either that or the upper class of the UK just wants a new slave caste after the Polish and other Eastern Europeans wisened up and left the country
Either that or the upper class of the UK just wants a new slave caste after the Polish and other Eastern Europeans wisened up and left the country
StreetsofBeige
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Probably because if any sane gov cracks down on religious nutfuckery, they are afraid people will take it the wrong way and the politicians will lose votes. So they got to walk the fine line to not go overboard or else they'll be labeled a religion hater overall or a hater of religion X.
Angry_Megalodon
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Religion is a factor but not THE factor.
The main driver for this is belonging to countries which aren't developed for a variety of reasons and have developed warped societies without any morals. This is why EVERY terrorist attack or gang rape is made by somebody from these places. Sure, Islam helped them to become fanatic beasts but there's a correlation, not causation.
I have turkish friends, real Islamist who read the Coran and apply its teachings in daily life and would never harm a fly. However, and this is also true, they say they would never live in a non-islamic country, precisely because our societies conflict with their beliefs. Islam is not compatible with Western style of life, so if you let people from those places in, there will be clashes and ultimately, barbaric crimes as we are witnessing all over Europe and USA.
The main driver for this is belonging to countries which aren't developed for a variety of reasons and have developed warped societies without any morals. This is why EVERY terrorist attack or gang rape is made by somebody from these places. Sure, Islam helped them to become fanatic beasts but there's a correlation, not causation.
I have turkish friends, real Islamist who read the Coran and apply its teachings in daily life and would never harm a fly. However, and this is also true, they say they would never live in a non-islamic country, precisely because our societies conflict with their beliefs. Islam is not compatible with Western style of life, so if you let people from those places in, there will be clashes and ultimately, barbaric crimes as we are witnessing all over Europe and USA.
thefool
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This is the harsh truth, and not just in the UK.
nkarafo
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Obviously. Wishing harm to a group of people would be insane.
Problem is, at least half of them (which is still billions) would happily take your freedoms away and turn your free country into a misogynistic, theocratic sharia shit hole.
The only reason the peaceful, good muslims are not a problem in most western countries is because they are not the majority. They don't have to power to fuck things up. But what happens when that changes and their decisions start to matter more? I mean, look at what England has become and they are still far from being a majority.
I see the peaceful muslims the same way i see the German citizens during WWII. I'm sure most of them were peaceful, decent people. Surely the vast majority would never harm a fly, let alone a person. But they also supported nazism, which made the life of millions a miserable affair. This is exactly the same deal with most muslims. They may be decent people you can hang with like every other but that doesn't change the fact most of them support a completely destructive religion and ideology.
I hate it but i really have no solution for this. You can't harm them, you can't ban them (because otherwise you are not a free country) and they multiply like crazy. I think, in the end, it's just a matter of what the majority wants. If most people on earth want the planet to be ruled my islam, then what can you do? I guess just enjoy what's left of the western freedom values for as long as they are still here.
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Non login gated link to the Telegraph article in the tweet for those who don't want to have to sign up to read it:
Helps to summarize how all of this went on and why it was and still is being suppressed.
winjer
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Exactly.
Ask the Muslim community in the UK, if they support that these rapists should be prosecuted, and most will refuse it.
A moderate Muslim is not the same thing as a moderate Cristian, or Hundi, or Shinto. They are still highly fanatical about religion.
DaciaJC
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Withdraw from the insanity that is the ECHR. Repatriate all migrant criminal offenders and their families. Stop the damned boats. Severely curtail or put a complete hold on all modes of immigration from problem countries. Cease benefits for migrants. Overhaul the broken two-tiered policing and justice system, and in that I include the presence of sharia courts in the UK. Prosecute (or better yet, kick out!) radical religious leaders and shut down their institutions. Enact policies that encourage child-rearing among the native population. Lastly, as a society, promote traditional family values - how many of these poor girls were vulnerable because they came from broken homes without a caring, protective father figure in their lives?
I understand all of these together are unlikely to happen. Even if Reform should come to power, I doubt the likes of Farage would have the guts to take a hard-line stance on everything. But it's not too late to turn things around or at least change the trajectory.
Go_Ly_Dow
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Unfortunately agreed. I gave Farage/Reform my vote in the last GE in protest and will do it again in the next one (as well as joined the party membership), but I think even if he has the will to go hardline it's unlikely he implement such big changes as the pushback will be big from the culture of luvviedom we have.
BUT if Europe as a whole says enough is enough then it's a different story.
Unfortunately there will be many hundreds or worse thousands more dead from Islamic driven terror attacks and many more child victims before we get to the point that enough people wake up or are brave enough to take a stand and go the other way. Maybe in 10-20 years when the monsters are staring them in the face, but right now enough people are choosing to ignore it. But eventually they won't be able to because the Islamic faith isn't going to liberalise, it's only going to grow in Europe and it is coming to your city, town, community, child's school etc... at the current growth trajectory.
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I get your point but you can not tease out the religion versus the culture so easily. If you grab your average english, french, or american off the street and quiz them on christian topics, beliefs, and values, you will find that even a "non-practicing" person is still about 80% aligned with Chrisitianity because it is baked into the entire culture, legal system, etc. Same with an afghani or pakistani, the muslim values, tenents, and practices are hard coded into their daily lives in ways that make it very hard to address cultural issues without addressing the religious ones as well. This is true for most places, and is why there are very very few places that can really co-exist with a wide range of religions (unless most are very small and mostly isolated).
But in this case it seems to be more productive saying these are "pakistani rape gangs" rather than "muslim rape gangs" since it appears to be very ethnically centered. Here in america we would say "Christian rape gangs" if it was a bunch of Italian immigrants doing this. Take away the loaded "islamaphobia" charge and a lot of reflexively defensive comments go away because there isn't much of a "pakistani defense force".
DeepEnigma
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The irony of using his platform to cry about him being allowed to enter a debate.
Bojji
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UK went full retard. They are very racist country... but against their own native people.
There is a separation of church and state for a good fucking reason. Pedo could be Muslim, Christian or even a fucking Buddhist - he should rot in prison (or worse), no matter what his "peaceful" religion is.
Hunter 99
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Absolutely sickening and just shows how the UK is the softest/wokest/two tier policing/justice place in the world right now.
bring back more severe punishment to these sick fucks.
Hanging or execution by firing squad would be fantastic. Also the families of the victims are allowed to watch if they like and the families of the criminals forced to watch.
Maybe then it would deter these criminals..
bring back more severe punishment to these sick fucks.
Hanging or execution by firing squad would be fantastic. Also the families of the victims are allowed to watch if they like and the families of the criminals forced to watch.
Maybe then it would deter these criminals..
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
This is downright treasonous to their people.
Insane Metal
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Tams
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Please do. Put us out of our misery.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
First time you’d break out the sunscreen in quite a while.
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