TheGodfather07
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Welfare: Xbox sold less than 3m US consoles in 2024, worst year ever
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RetroGamingUK
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It's dead. Best thing MS could do is stick Windows on it and sell it as a PC with plenty of gaming oomph!
Genuinely, that's a fucking great idea
Not sure how letting their user base (29 million ?) use Steam instead of the Xbox Store is a good move financially.
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DenchDeckard
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DenchDeckard
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That was only 2 years ago
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
Both BG3 and WuKong were direct casualties of Series S.
ANIMAL1975
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Let me make my first post clearer for you...
Xbox won E3 next year its going to be the best! Game pass!
Xbox won Xbox Direct! this year we're in for a treat!
...Game pass!
2025 is going to be the turnaround... Game pass baby!
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SirTerry-T
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Bloody shame, the SX is a great bit of kit.
I disagree with this.
The normal Xbox fan is not going to go out and buy a pc just because Xbox games are launching day and date with PC.
What killed Xbox in my opinion (and it's not dead, there's still enough dedicated fans) is competition with playstation.
They have been practically the same machines since ps360, same games, same features, same everything.
Xbox fucked up at the end of that gen into the start of the PS4, xbone gen.
More and more people were switching over to playstation, building up digital library's and such. Getting to the point that it's too late now. I believe Spencer said something about it.
Nintendo did the right thing after GameCube, they went their own way creating their own market.
Xbox went toe to toe with playstation and lost, simple as that.
Killjoy-NL
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Yeah, Spencer addressed this during his interview with Easy Allies.
He said that it isn't a matter of releasing great games, not even 11/10 quality, they lost the most important gen last-gen when people started building their digital libraries.
It's common sense mate.
All this launching games on pc is going to take away sales of a console bollocks is just that, bollocks.
Like if playstation starts realising games on PC millions of people are not going to go " oh well, best go out and spend £1000 on a pc because I don't need my playstation now"
Only people who would discard console are the hardcore nerds who have pc and console anyway, and I bet they prefer PC anyway
Klayzer
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Killjoy-NL
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Completely agree.
People tend to ignore that the demographics/markets for consoles and PC are completely different and always have been.
Any overlap is just minor.
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digoutyoursoul
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I don’t get their attitude with this, what about people who are buying a console for their kids or themselves for the first time. It’s not as if the PS4/Xbox 1 generation audience is infinite.
It also raises questions as to how many have or will going forward, leave the Xbox ecosystem given what they are now doing and switch to the likes of Playstaion due to having their own library, the majority of third party and now Microsoft’s.
Exactly mate, spot on
Kabelly
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Ironically when Sony first released Horizon on PC I knew Pandora's Box had been open and there was no going back. I've been a console gamer my whole life and it was the first gen where I said I don't need to buy a PS5. I built a PC and now few years on I have pretty much every Sony PS5 game available to me barring like 2 or 3 titles.
Still don't feel like I'm missing out now. Except for Rise of the Ronin but I'm expecting that to come to PC eventually.
Edit: and as of today (January 27th) Rise of the Ronin was announced for PC :rejoice:
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Xbox is dying due to a series of bad moves and unforced errors from the very beginning, along with the failure to sell in non English speaking countries even at their height.
The only thing that ever kept them going through these bad decisions was unlimited money, but it looks like even that isn't enough anymore.
The only thing that ever kept them going through these bad decisions was unlimited money, but it looks like even that isn't enough anymore.
rm082e
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He's correct that they lost the most important generation with XBO vs. PS4. That's obviously true. It's not even his fault.
He's also correct in saying they can't just release a bunch of great exclusives to try and fix the problem now. But that's their own fault. They don't have the talent to produce 8-10 games that would score 90+, and their Game Pass business model ensures they wouldn't make enough money on those games if they did.
Turning Xbox around would require those killer games, and ending day one games on Game Pass, and ending day one PC releases. It could be done, they just aren't willing to do what is necessary.
I assume this is not up to Phil or even Nadella. I'm guessing Nadella got marching orders from the board not to sink more debt into the Xbox brand. If Xbox is required to show a profit on paper and doesn't have the freedom to maneuver, it make sense that they've accepted the transition into a third party publisher. It's the only way they keep things alive. All it cost was 80 Billion dollars...
If PS4/Xbox One was the most important generation why did Nintendo bounce back from WiiU that released only a year before PS4 & Xbox One but Xbox couldn't?
RetroGamingUK
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Sushi_Combo
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They gutted all teams except their old marketing gang.
rm082e
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Because Nintendo is not a direct competitor to PlayStation and Xbox. The Switch doesn't have the same multiplatform titles where they're competing for a shared pool of users. Just go look at the list of best selling games on the Switch.
3DS didn't sell as well as NDS even with the weak competition from PS Vita vs NDS going up against PSP.
Switch is selling well above 3DS + WiiU
Xbox didn't have to be a direct competitor to PlayStation they could have covered their own ground & created a market also instead of fighting for the market that belonged to PlayStation.
SimTourist
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A completely different audience and they had to combine home and portable divisions to survive.
SimTourist
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From day one they sold Xbox on the back of powerful hardware and online multiplayer. What else could they get? They had the dudebro audience for a while but they moved to PS too.
GonSama
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Quickly becoming?
Microsoft bought the biggest third party publisher for 70 billion (ABK) and another one for 7.5 billion (Bethesda).
Since then, they became the biggest publisher. That's it.
The last time they revealed numbers, 80% of Gamepass subscribers were on consoles. Saying that PC Gamepass made consoles unnecessary isn't really true.
The hardware selling like ****, is simply the result of bad management.
rm082e
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That assumes there was another pool of people they could find to serve that was big enough for Xbox to be successful. There doesn't appear to be a group of people out there who aren't already better served by Nintendo, PlayStation, PC, or mobile.
The pivot to Game Pass was their last attempt to carve out a unique niche. Based on all the leaks from the ABK trial, they were expecting GP to be close to 100 million subs by now. I never thought that was going to work personally, but they sure tried.
Their biggest success came when Kinect was released it pushed Xbox 360 sells up in the late part of the generation.
They used that information & released Kinect as standard for Xbox One but was quickly punked by the diehard Xbox fans because they blamed Kinect for PS4 being more powerful.
They dropped Kinect & even released a more powerful Xbox One X only to end up losing more ground to PlayStation 4 . Fast forward they gave the hardcore Xbox fans everything they wanted 12TF to brag on , no Kinect , buying up studios & publishers with the Microsoft Warchest everything. The result is Xbox Series sells going back to OG Xbox sells.
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Rocco Schiavone
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SimTourist
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In the end the casual side is satisfied with Nintendo and mobile games and hardcore is playing on PS5 and PC. Xbox got squeezed from all sides.
Killjoy-NL
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Nintendo had to make a console/handheld-hybrid to bounce back by using their handheld installbase as leverage.
Because the handheld-market is where Nintendo has the game on lock.
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Know your market
Killjoy-NL
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Where's Phil to say "We're listening and we have to do better this year."?
Hopefully they clearance excess stock so I can pick up a Series S to be a dedicated emulation machine for cheap and grab a backup Series X so I have an Xbox console to play my disc 360 and Xbone games in the future if my current one fails.
Hopefully they clearance excess stock so I can pick up a Series S to be a dedicated emulation machine for cheap and grab a backup Series X so I have an Xbox console to play my disc 360 and Xbone games in the future if my current one fails.
Mibu no ookami
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I think you're the hardcore I spoke about, but I think you're a minority.
Most people in my opinion have no interest in gaming on pc, and will always buy a console in my opinion.
Hohenheim
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I said PC game pass made their console unnecessary for me.
SkylineRKR
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I think Vita did better in Europe.
Its dead. And MS itself is part of the reason, they conjure up many reasons not to buy their console.
Its dead. And MS itself is part of the reason, they conjure up many reasons not to buy their console.
BlackTron
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He's probably right that GTA will cause a spike in interest in both consoles. Not everyone who wants to buy a console to play GTA will do a complete cost/benefit analysis on it.
TheGodfather07
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PS5 is the default choice and people don't even consider xbox. I've had multiple people tell me they need to get a PS5 for GTA VI, even though they can save money by getting a series s. It's like xbox doesn't even exist to the masses. I think this is where sony massively benefits. Mindshare is a real thing. Perception is everything.
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Rush2112
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I want one person who ACTUALLY played the original xbox’s games to come here and defend the console in its current state. Go ahead, I’m calling you out. The floor is yours. Lets see what you got. I guarantee its just a bunch of kids defending it. Because they don’t know.
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I predicted 85M for xbox
thought the Switch 2 would have released by now so lowballed Switch at 120, and predicted 85M for PS5 (which they look like they're beating in 2026 already)
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