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[March Climber]

LectureMaster I think some people are arguing that you are giving this game much more attention than it deserves by putting SBI in the title as an attachment.

Because if you notice the similar threads section, without the ‘SBI’ this thread would have been dead within 15-30 posts as no one would even care that it’s set to bomb, because they didn’t care about it in the first place. More people here are actually discovering this game thanks to your actions, which inadvertently caused a small opposite-than-intended effect on your end.

Regardless, I’m just explaining why multiple people are telling you this, I have zero reason to argue with you over it.

 

[LectureMaster]

LectureMaster I think some people are arguing that you are giving this game much more attention than it deserves by putting SBI in the title as an attachment.

Because if you notice the similar threads section, without the ‘SBI’ this thread would have been dead within 15-30 posts as no one would even care that it’s set to bomb, because they didn’t care about it in the first place. More people here are actually discovering this game thanks to your actions, which inadvertently caused a small opposite-than-intended effect on your end.

Regardless, I’m just explaining why multiple people are telling you this, I have zero reason to argue with you over it.

My man, you are the always one that is nice to people even on the opposite side of an argument and I do appreciate that.

But adding "SBI" to the title is just stating a fact, I am not making anything or being hyperbolic. If it gains traffics, it simply means people care about SBI, one way or another. And there are meaningful discussions in the thread. But for now, I guess let's wait and judge when the game is actually out.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

playing some plain jane middle aged woman is... yeah not very exciting lmao.

YoU jUsT wAnT bAlD 'wHItE' sPaCe MaRiNe Ehhh!!

SuCk It CHUDDDD.

 

[miklonus]

You people are still obsessed with SbI? Seriously why the F do you all care so much? They aren't going anywhere, they also aren't the ones killing games, the devs making bad games are. SBI are still getting hired as consultants and getting paid while you all cry, b*tch and moan like 4 yr olds. Bro it's time to move on and act like an adult.

Banned huh? Remind me to never type any shit like this.

 

[KURDISTAN YPG]

somebody on neogaf should make a list of every game release along with dei detection. never heard of this game btw

 

[tommib]

Banned huh? Remind me to never type any shit like this.

I see a lot of banning for the people that try to push back against the anti-woke brain rot panic which is at the same level of the insane resetera Hogwarts Legacy panic.

I hope we don’t end up with the same kind of echo chamber. I’ve seen nasty stuff being written in the forum that gets completely under the radar. I don’t bother reporting anymore but I’m afraid some of the mods are also participating in the culture wars.

It is what it is.

 

[Boss Mog]

They complain about "diversity" but all their games are the same: " A dark-skinned girl boss protagonist going up against a white guy antagonist". No hidden messages here folks...

 

[BlackTron]

Hey fellow GAF incels, I have a great idea. How about we infiltrate every female-dominated fandom and fix them up. We’ll demand that every game/show/movie should have an average looking dude with a dad bod as the main protagonist. And
He should be the smartest, strongest, bravest, and most virtuous character ever with no flaws. He should constantly boss around all the women, in fact let’s make the women really weak willed and dopey so the protagonist looks good in comparison.

And if anyone criticizes it, we call them misandrists.

I was thinking about this last night and got an idea, hear me out.

Those fuckin' women and their Twilight, right? Look at all that fun they're having, and we don't even have anything to do with it. They have no idea how much better it could be, if only we could bless it with our better taste in entertainment, fucking bigots.

I say, the leading man should be played by a Chris Farley type dude. At a full moon, he turns into Giga Bowser. Instead of just one woman, there are like 17, and they all look exactly like Princess Peach. Frankly, this sounds awesome, and if they don't like it, it just proves they're all bigots who hate men, and that I was right to judge them all along. Women, my professional services are available for a modest fee (hundreds of thousands of dollars) so you poor incompetent fools don't have to figure this winning formula out for yourselves, I'm here to help and make you understand what the market really wants, to grow your sales and shield you from (my) criticism.

Together, we can make Twilight great again ever and appropriate for a modern audience.

 

[Lambogenie]

The world needs more Indian protagonists and characters. But not with SBI involved.

I think the actress is pretty but she's not always been modelled well in-game. Going to put the blame on the artist, personally (and why if I ever lent my likeness I'd want proven results first from the artist/studio). Her outfit is lame though, total package doesn't look as cool as it should. Like a better Condord character but still bland looking.

 

[Kotaro]

Not sure about the hate cause the games seems to be... fine? I'll wishlist it and see if the gameplay and story is actually good.
The title is also misleading, trailers got 20k views and only 2.6k dislikes. That's hardly an indication for a flop.

Is this good enough indicator? 4 days before release, 50+ pre-order in the last month at Amazon

 

[Dr.Morris79]

Is this good enough indicator? 4 days before release, 50+ pre-order in the last month at Amazon

That's a well known Amazon error on their end. It's actually 50,000000001+

 

[Guileless]

What's gaming culture like in India? It's a huge country obviously. All I know of is Dhalsim and some cricket games?

 

[Lambogenie]

What's gaming culture like in India? It's a huge country obviously. All I know of is Dhalsim and some cricket games?

They play mostly mobile games but it's quite massive in terms of player base for that. It's also a relatively high poor population so probably hasn't been taken seriously.

But India and south America are easily upcoming markets, in general. Behind China but coming up. Frankly, western markets are played. India, Brazil, China and ME are where'd I'd seriously be tapping into.

 

[sainraja]

She is pretty, her character in game is ugly/trans(deliberately made masculine).

I can't honestly take you guys seriously anymore, you seem like plants.

Are we looking at the same character model?

If there are slight differences in how she looks in the game, it is likely due to the story/gameworld and the biggest difference being mentioned by people has been her skin color. So a darker skin automatically makes her ugly? The devs have attempted to make the character look like the actress and if they didn't nail that 100%, I would say it is probably a skill thing. The character does not look that different from the actress to be getting the type of reactions it is.

I am not seeing what y'all are based on the videos.

 

[lmimmfn]

So a darker skin automatically makes her ugly?

ahh that old chestnut

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

I was thinking about this last night and got an idea, hear me out.

Those fuckin' women and their Twilight, right? Look at all that fun they're having, and we don't even have anything to do with it. They have no idea how much better it could be, if only we could bless it with our better taste in entertainment, fucking bigots.

I say, the leading man should be played by a Chris Farley type dude. At a full moon, he turns into Giga Bowser. Instead of just one woman, there are like 17, and they all look exactly like Princess Peach. Frankly, this sounds awesome, and if they don't like it, it just proves they're all bigots who hate men, and that I was right to judge them all along. Women, my professional services are available for a modest fee (hundreds of thousands of dollars) so you poor incompetent fools don't have to figure this winning formula out for yourselves, I'm here to help and make you understand what the market really wants, to grow your sales and shield you from (my) criticism.

Together, we can make Twilight great again ever and appropriate for a modern audience.

Twilight definitely needs a remake for modern audiences. Why should it be for women only? This is the year 2024.

Jacob and Edward should both be average looking dudes with dad bods. Stop imposing unrealistic standards on men. We come in all shapes and sizes and women ought to be equally attracted to all of us.

And two guys manning up and battling for a woman’s attention is just so sexist and unfair to men. Is that all men are allowed to be? Just big pieces of meat who look pretty and punch each other?

No, they should just be ordinary guys who play video games and watch porn in their free time. It’s so outdated, this idea that a guy should NEED a woman to make him complete. Instead it should be Bella’s responsibility to EARN their affection by acting slutty enough.

Maybe we should make them gay in order to teach women a lesson: that a real man don’t need no woman. It’s such a demeaning and outdated idea that a woman might play a complementary but equal role to a man in a relationship. But also make Jacob and Edward as sexually unappealing and wimpy as possible. Last thing we want is that female audience fantasizing about a couple of attractive hunks boning each other.



But aside from all that, it’s still the exact same Twilight we know and love. It should be a huge hit with both men and women alike. And if it’s not, we’ll just move on to the next female-dominated fandom and demolish that one as well.

 

[DrumNBassDanTTV]

This game came free with a few cpus/gpus so id say a few people will try it for the sake of it, other than that its DOA for sure. Garbage.

 

[Northeastmonk]

I would have taken Scarlet Nexus 2 or Code Vein 2. That doesn’t mean they shouldn’t publish another developer’s work. If it’s good then maybe one day I’ll get it on a deep, deep discount. It looks like a very bland mix of games we’ve played before.

 

[BlackTron]

Twilight definitely needs a remake for modern audiences. Why should it be for women only? This is the year 2024.

Jacob and Edward should both be average looking dudes with dad bods. Stop imposing unrealistic standards on men. We come in all shapes and sizes and women ought to be equally attracted to all of us.

And two guys manning up and battling for a woman’s attention is just so sexist and unfair to men. Is that all men are allowed to be? Just big pieces of meat who look pretty and punch each other?

No, they should just be ordinary guys who play video games and watch porn in their free time. It’s so outdated, this idea that a guy should NEED a woman to make him complete. Instead it should be Bella’s responsibility to EARN their affection by acting slutty enough.

Maybe we should make them gay in order to teach women a lesson: that a real man don’t need no woman. It’s such a demeaning and outdated idea that a woman might play a complementary but equal role to a man in a relationship. But also make Jacob and Edward as sexually unappealing and wimpy as possible. Last thing we want is that female audience fantasizing about a couple of attractive hunks boning each other.



But aside from all that, it’s still the exact same Twilight we know and love. It should be a huge hit with both men and women alike. And if it’s not, we’ll just move on to the next female-dominated fandom and demolish that one as well.

FINALLY! All those years of oppression enabled by outdated thinking can end at last. All we need to do is come up with some way of policing thoughts to ensure we never regress back.

 

[cormack12]

She's Indian irl.

No idea if she is fair skinned or wears light makeup.

My god I'd bite her face.

 

[mdkirby]

Is there a SBI infested game that didn't bomb? I don't count Spider-Man 2, because the franchise name + Sony's marketing + bundles are already easily 80% of the sales no matter the quality of the game.

I have a relatively high tolerance for this stuff vs some, or rather I have a high tolerance if it’s done well, I don’t reflexively reject it. But yeah Spider-Man 2 was BAAAAAD, everything felt so so forced and disengenous, and they repeatedly broke their own DEI guidance (based on their leaked internal video) regarding how to do it well. It was just too much for me and I’ll definitely not be buying SM3 day one, I just don’t trust them to tell a good story anymore.

 

[marquimvfs]

see a lot of banning for the people that try to push back against the anti-woke brain rot panic which is at the same level of the insane resetera Hogwarts Legacy panic.

I hope we don’t end up with the same kind of echo chamber.

Oh, no. People here only got banned when they go full retard and start insulting other members when they meltdown. Criticism here is allowed as long as you keep it civil.

 

[March Climber]

I see a lot of banning for the people that try to push back against the anti-woke brain rot panic which is at the same level of the insane resetera Hogwarts Legacy panic.

I hope we don’t end up with the same kind of echo chamber. I’ve seen nasty stuff being written in the forum that gets completely under the radar. I don’t bother reporting anymore but I’m afraid some of the mods are also participating in the culture wars.

It is what it is.

I have noticed hints of the same thing over time and more. I have backed away much more from debating since then amongst a few other reasons as well. Plus getting in constant 1v10 convos is exhausting anyway.

It’s unfortunate but sometimes it’s easier to just let the river flow where it does and see where it leads. Also I’m just really curious to see who will remain the way they are and who won’t once certain media starts to improve in quality over time.

For what it’s worth if you see something really egregious you should still report it. Some people will come out of the gate swinging with wild comments, because they think this site is equivalent to a worse place.

 

[VanCityGamer]

My god I'd bite her face.

That’s creepy.

 

[Vyse]

I’ve seriously never heard of this game.

 

[Vyse]

Twilight definitely needs a remake for modern audiences. Why should it be for women only? This is the year 2024.

Jacob and Edward should both be average looking dudes with dad bods. Stop imposing unrealistic standards on men. We come in all shapes and sizes and women ought to be equally attracted to all of us.

And two guys manning up and battling for a woman’s attention is just so sexist and unfair to men. Is that all men are allowed to be? Just big pieces of meat who look pretty and punch each other?

No, they should just be ordinary guys who play video games and watch porn in their free time. It’s so outdated, this idea that a guy should NEED a woman to make him complete. Instead it should be Bella’s responsibility to EARN their affection by acting slutty enough.

Maybe we should make them gay in order to teach women a lesson: that a real man don’t need no woman. It’s such a demeaning and outdated idea that a woman might play a complementary but equal role to a man in a relationship. But also make Jacob and Edward as sexually unappealing and wimpy as possible. Last thing we want is that female audience fantasizing about a couple of attractive hunks boning each other.



But aside from all that, it’s still the exact same Twilight we know and love. It should be a huge hit with both men and women alike. And if it’s not, we’ll just move on to the next female-dominated fandom and demolish that one as well.

Now that is funny. Well done.

 

[Lucifers Beard]

Saw a trailer for this earlier and to me it just looked like a bad knock off of Forsaken but linear. No idea who the target audience is for this. It looks incredibly boring.

 

[Chuck Berry]

I am not seeing what ya'll are based on the videos.

Every fucking time

 

[Ywap]

No idea who the target audience is for this.

The m0d€rN one of course

Just kidding. I think it looks semi-interesting, so maybe at 20$ or so...

 

[PeteBull]

They complain about "diversity" but all their games are the same: " A dark-skinned girl boss protagonist going up against a white guy antagonist". No hidden messages here folks...

Thats fine too, let that 0,01% of gamers aka dark skinnned middleage(to not say old af, 35yo+ for a woman is already geriatric pregnacy range;p) women play those games, us straight men will keep our hard earned usd/euros in our wallets instead, then read about not meet expectactions sales wise and inevitable lay offs/studio clousure xD

 

[mckmas8808]

Are we looking at the same character model?

If there are slight differences in how she looks in the game, it is likely due to the story/gameworld and the biggest difference being mentioned by people has been her skin color. So a darker skin automatically makes her ugly? The devs have attempted to make the character look like the actress and if they didn't nail that 100%, I would say it is probably a skill thing. The character does not look that different from the actress to be getting the type of reactions it is.

I am not seeing what ya'll are based on the videos.

I see the same thing you see. Some people here need glasses.

 

[mckmas8808]

Thats fine too, let that 0,01% of gamers aka dark skinnned middleage(to not say old af, 35yo+ for a woman is already geriatric pregnacy range;p) women play those games, us straight men will keep our hard earned usd/euros in our wallets instead, then read about not meet expectactions sales wise and inevitable lay offs/studio clousure xD

Nobody on GAF would have cared about this game if the main character was a white male fighting other white males. The game just looks "OKAY" at best.

 

[Fbh]

I still think people are hating on a symptom rather than the illness with all this SBI stuff. It's not like they are bursting into studios forcing them to change things, it's the studios who are hiring them because they WANT these changes.
Also from what I gather this is based on some fantasy book series, I'm not familiar with it but I wouldn't be surprised if very little had to be changed to begin with. Fantasy and Sci Fi books are full of this sort of stuff, specially during the last decade. Look at the Hugo Awards (one of the better known awards for fantasy and sci fi novels), it used to be given to stuff like Dune, Hyperion, American Gods, etc and now the latest winner is a self proclaimed "thrillingly told queer space opera"

As for the game it honestly just looks bland, reminds me of those lower profile AA games we used to get a lot during the Ps3/360 era

 

[jason10mm]

The world needs more Indian protagonists and characters. But not with SBI involved.

Dude, there is an entire Indian game dev market...over in India, where, you know, over a BILLION of them live!

They are a tiny minority everywhere else, so why does any other place NEED more indian characters?

I'm not adverse to indian characters by any means, but its the "need" part that bothers me. They are a minute demographic to target unless your story actually involves going to india in some fashion. Much like Bollywood, they have their own stuff to cater to their own market, the rest of the world need not do so.

 

[PeteBull]

Nobody on GAF would have cared about this game if the main character was a white male fighting other white males. The game just looks "OKAY" at best.

How about if mc was sexy af big boobed big assed super sexy female? That way straight guys would be directly catered too

Thats the difference, we, as guys, dont mind throwing money when we see sexy women(dating, porn industry and basically everything in reality confirms it), thats why there is this common saying "sex sells", things dont work same way for women for the most part, we all know it.

Devs knew about it from the beginning of videogames, but last few years especially when it comes to majority of western devs- they decided to not take advantage of that, hell they went to extreme and made sure many games are offputing to us-straight guys- aka there is very small probability we will ever buy their game, at least at full price durning launch window- they are to blame themselfs even if they often keep blaming players instead of simply taking accountability for their stupid, bad business moves

 

[sainraja]

Every fucking time

Ok, ok... fixed it lol

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

The Modern one of course

Just kidding. I think it looks semi- interesting, so maybe at 20$ or so...

They should be thanking Kabrutus and DEI detected, they’re the only reason anybody is even talking about this game. Nothing about it looks unique or interesting at all.

Heck I probably saw a trailer for this in the middle of some games showcase and immediately forgot about it the second the trailer ended.

 

[mckmas8808]

How about if mc was sexy af big boobed big assed super sexy female? That way straight guys would be directly catered too

It would have still flopped hard. This is a basic game. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Doczu]

Damn. The premise looks interesting and i could dive in on a huge discount, but SBI is an automatic no buy . Ain't supporting blood money companies

 

[jason10mm]

How about if mc was sexy af big boobed big assed super sexy female? That way straight guys would be directly catered too

That basically is the "correct" way to market a female led game aimed at mostly dudes. And it worked for DECADES, even if the "Super sexy" part was just the cover art of a pixel arcade game. This odd movement to "desexualize" female characters in a male oriented game is just bizarre (to me). Sure, in "Pink Pony Princess Party" targeting little girls, please keep them innocent and desexualized, but in "shooter rampage kill kill kill" I want my women fit, hot, and always falling out of their outfits

Just like the guys. They had better have budging biceps, a big codpiece, and a roving male gaze. No one wants a "Dad bod" couch potatoe to be the one running around, scaling cliffs, and one punching demons or whatever.

 

[jason10mm]

Damn, this thing has comics, books, and podcast tie-ins! Looooooota $$$ riding on this one.



And in this "live action" trailer you can easily see the transition of good looking feminine Anya into....the video game version of her. It's pretty jarring. Its right at 38 seconds if the time hack doesn't work.

 

[BlackTron]

In OP's main pic it looks like they made her nose crooked, but upon checking more stuff it seems to me it's just bad angle and lighting. It doesn't seem like they deviated from the real actress that much, but I can't blame anyone for thinking they intentionally made her ugly either when she looks so unflattering in a lot of the game's media (was THAT intentional???)

 

[Lambogenie]

Dude, there is an entire Indian game dev market...over in India, where, you know, over a BILLION of them live!

They are a tiny minority everywhere else, so why does any other place NEED more indian characters?

I'm not adverse to indian characters by any means, but its the "need" part that bothers me. They are a minute demographic to target unless your story actually involves going to india in some fashion. Much like Bollywood, they have their own stuff to cater to their own market, the rest of the world need not do so.

Maybe need is a strog word. Id love to see more. But would you say the same then if games remove Japanese or Asian protagonists if they aren't made by those same region devs? They're a minilority everywhere else too, after all. Or is it OK because generally the developers themselves are Asian.

Variety is the spice of life. Does that mean every game should feature X or Y? No. But if it does, it doesn't have to mean it's woke. Yeah make what you want for your culture, but the developed nations are quite diverse, so that does include US, Europe and slowly Japan given the ever increasing foreign residents.

 

[DeepEnigma]

My god I'd bite her face.

 

[jason10mm]

Maybe need is a strog word. Id love to see more. But would you say the same then if games remove Japanese or Asian protagonists if they aren't made by those same region devs? They're a minilority everywhere else too, after all. Or is it OK because generally the developers themselves are Asian.

Variety is the spice of life. Does that mean every game should feature X or Y? No. But if it does, it doesn't have to mean it's woke. Yeah make what you want for your culture, but the developed nations are quite diverse, so that does include US, Europe and slowly Japan given the ever increasing foreign residents.

In a game set in recent times or the future, then an ethinically diverse cast can be authentic. And it is nice to see some asian characters that aren't just stereotypes, fresh off the boat, or whatever. 3-5th gen descendants with no accents, none of the "traditional cultural trappings", and just happen to look that way is perfectly fine. But if you are gonna set a story in deep rural West Virginia in the 1930's but you 'need' to have an indian protagonist....well, it just doesn't make any sense unless there is a pressing story reason for it.

I personally don't feel that writers can only write themselves. Buuuuuuuut if you are gonna make ethnicity (or gender, or religion, or any other cultural attribute) a focal point in the game, its best to have some good input about it with lived experience. For me, the biggest offender, BY FAR, is writing military stories with NO VETS on staff. WTF?!?!? The military culture is a TINY minority in places like the US (perhaps different in countries with mandatory/compulsory service) but every tom, dick, and sally thinks they can write it and its all just regurgitated junk from other stories. But its the same with cop stories, medical, academic, etc. We tolerate a lot of poorly informed crap about some aspects of culture but then strangely expect EXTREME REPRESENTATION for other cultural aspects. I'd say a married male writer with a few daughters can "write women" FAR BETTER than some liberal arts hippy can write about a squad of spec-ops soldiers about to go on a high risk mission. But we have a weird tolerance for the latter but no longer as much for the former.

 

[Zacfoldor]

Are we looking at the same character model?

If there are slight differences in how she looks in the game, it is likely due to the story/gameworld and the biggest difference being mentioned by people has been her skin color. So a darker skin automatically makes her ugly? The devs have attempted to make the character look like the actress and if they didn't nail that 100%, I would say it is probably a skill thing. The character does not look that different from the actress to be getting the type of reactions it is.

I am not seeing what y'all are based on the videos.

To the contrary, it is the covering of her skin and not the color of her skin that is at issue.

In Witcher she stays naked as hell in a near constant state of coitus, yet here she appears with barely her head peaking out of that huge pile of mechanics cloths with thick gloves.

I feel like we'd be lucky to see an ankle, much less a sexy silhouette.

The only part that you can see of her is her head and they fucked that up royally, but it's the covering of the body that has the stink of the agenda. The intentional removal of anything that may appear to the male gaze. Why did they do that, do you think?

 

[Punished Miku]

Seeing this game on the front page for days, I was hovering over the pre-order button for at least a solid 4 minutes yesterday. And we're not talking the $50 one. The deluxe edition.

 

[TheThreadsThatBindUs]

I don’t think she’s anywhere near the most beautiful woman in Hollywood, but is very good looking for sure.

"Most beautiful" is in the eye of the beholder.

I have a particular thing for Indian girls. They're just so fucking hot

 

[Z O N E]

Another beautiful actress uglified by western developers because *insert one of the many reasons here*.

Also, this is the developer in question:

Reflector: A Unique Creative Studio

Reflector Entertainment crafts immersive narrative universes on a grand scale. Jump into our world and learn about our work!

reflectorentertainment.com

"Its goal is to promote dialogue and action to ensure diversity remains a priority and asset across all our company's endeavors"

 

[Jaybe]

Another beautiful actress uglified by western developers because *insert one of the many reasons here*.

Also, this is the developer in question:

Reflector: A Unique Creative Studio

Reflector Entertainment crafts immersive narrative universes on a grand scale. Jump into our world and learn about our work!

reflectorentertainment.com

Hadn’t heard of “raise the game” before, but no surprise, it’s a stop hiring white, straight males initiative. The usual suspect are partners (Xbox, Sony, EA) and funny enough, Rockysteady had a little blob post there circa 2022 before SS KTJL become a massive flop.

Raise The Game Diversity Pledge by Ukie

RaiseTheGame is a collaborative and high-impact pledge to improve diversity and inclusion in the games industry - creating cultures where everyone belongs, and ideas can thrive.

raisethegame.com