Hudo
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Maybe it's time to get off GAF for a while, play a game or take a walk with your wife/gf.
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What happened to all the people that were cheering over that MS Activision acquisition?
Same place all the people pushing for digital games and realistic graphics went, wondering why games take so long to deveop and developers going out of business.
Straight to hell.
Let's be fair though, Microsoft bought Activision under different circumstances and different intentions. It was about the exclusive content not to become a third-party publisher. If they had come out and said 'we are done with hard ware and exclusives' different story. Half the battle was protecting COD on PS, because they didn't want that at first until they had to defend the purchase.
Straight to hell.
Let's be fair though, Microsoft bought Activision under different circumstances and different intentions. It was about the exclusive content not to become a third-party publisher. If they had come out and said 'we are done with hard ware and exclusives' different story. Half the battle was protecting COD on PS, because they didn't want that at first until they had to defend the purchase.
TBiddy
Member
People are way to invested in this shit. Just look at the guy digging up two year old posts to win an argument, just to fail in the process.
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Hudo
Gold Member
Yeah. As much as I find the console war threads (all sales threads, every thread where Nintendo, Phil Spencer or Playstation is mentioned in the title, really) entertaining because of how retarded people are. This thread just comes across as OP being too invested in this shit.
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GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
how is thirs bad if my mained console will be switch 2 i get waaaaaay more games thanks to ms go third party??
halo marster chief addition in my vanes
halo marster chief addition in my vanes
VeganElduderino
Member
its bad for the xbox lovers! that's what he means! its not bad for the rest of us
Team Andromeda
Member
I still waiting for Xbox to buy SEGA next Wednesday
drganon
Member
RetroGamingUK
Member
Has there ever, in the history of gaming, been an American company that’s bought out a Japanese games company?
I think the Japanese government blocks these kids of deals unlike post-Thatcher Britain where everything is up for sale.
Too invested is putting it lightly.
BlackTron
Member
Someone should come up with some sort of centralized, black and white message storage and retrieval system so this cannot happen.
Edmund
is waiting for Starfield 7
Don't worry. There'll be no more Xbox left to hate very soon.
Hudo
Gold Member
I am not sure what your point is (if there is one)
BlackTron
Member
Honestly the best thing for gaming would be if Microsoft had healthy sales vs Playstation, because they were a legitimately strong competitor, achieved not in full but in part by acquisitions, if they so chose to make them.
In a world where Microsoft cannot successfully manage itself, where they cannot make a studio from scratch with a stated goal and execute the mission several times over, then the acquisition is not a very good thing for gaming ultimately. I'm sorry it just isn't. It might be a good thing for a Playstation owner in the short term because they have to buy one less hardware to get at a game for example. But that isn't driving new incredible games the same way a healthy ecosystem battle should, it's just enjoying some perks of failure and consolidation, while exposing many studios and publishers to the death touch of MS management that already ruined their own business before backfilling it with other ones.
I'd say history can go many ways from here, with many pros and cons from this fork. I think it will end up a net negative for gaming, but it's not all doom and gloom.
In a world where Microsoft cannot successfully manage itself, where they cannot make a studio from scratch with a stated goal and execute the mission several times over, then the acquisition is not a very good thing for gaming ultimately. I'm sorry it just isn't. It might be a good thing for a Playstation owner in the short term because they have to buy one less hardware to get at a game for example. But that isn't driving new incredible games the same way a healthy ecosystem battle should, it's just enjoying some perks of failure and consolidation, while exposing many studios and publishers to the death touch of MS management that already ruined their own business before backfilling it with other ones.
I'd say history can go many ways from here, with many pros and cons from this fork. I think it will end up a net negative for gaming, but it's not all doom and gloom.
Shubh_C63
Member
Ofcourse you're right. But given how this ecosystem of competition actually is resulting in major studio closures, and Sony has been able to conduct their gaming division and keep reaching new heights so maybe arrogant Sony would be Ok (for the time being). They will be allowed to take some risk in the face of not much danger.
Yes one Gaas gamble is failing hard but atleast they try. If Xbox One wasn't a disaster MS would still be making Halo, Gears and Forza like Assassin Creeds.
If Xbox can churn out a must play AAA game every 1.5 year, I think I will be happy with where they are.
Edmund
is waiting for Starfield 7
Are you joking? I made it abundantly clear that my stance was that prices would increase as a result of the deal. It's not my job to clean up mess that you make after you are happy to spend days misleading and misinforming people.
In fact, I was pretty clear in stating that there was a possibility that the prices along with the structure of gamepass could change as a result of the deal:
Stop being a rat.
O onQ123 What have you done to GHG??? He's quoting himself now. You've spread your disease to him!!
BlackTron
Member
I disagree with this.
Studios have problems due (largely) to 1) overexpansion during covid, overconfidence in sustained growth and 2) incompetent management, bad products.
GHG
Member
What can I say, he's making us do things we never thought we would.
And look at this coward refusing to address me directly.
You ask for when things like that were said, you get them, and now you're all like "no not like that". Which is rich coming from you considering some of your activity in that activision thread.
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Majima Everywhere System
Member
Xbox imploded before the acquisition, they just didn’t tell us.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Gorgon
Member
I somewhat disagree with this. What you want as a gamer is 1) studio competition and 2) hardware competition, not game exclusives competition tied to specific hardware. The latter is only good for the companies themselves as a way of making you choose one hardware or service over another; there's nothing good about it for the gamers themselves except where it crosses with point 1 above.
Otherwise, it's like saying that I can only watch Netflix on Samsung TVs and HBO on LG Tvs: great for the TV companies, shit for the consumer. Instead, you want to be able to choose your hardware of preference (Samsung or LG) and let Netflix and HBO compete among themselves in the sofware/services space, independently of the hardware itself. Same for the gaming industry, and why PC-only players couldn't care two shits less if their games of preference are on other platforms or not: it's irrelevant, and if anything, more platforms more potential sales. You could also make the case that pervasive availability of a game IP on all platforms also increases the probability of sales and thus the existence of that IP in the future instead of leaving it to the vagary of sales on only one platform, which may end up in it's demise.
Whatever way you look at this, IPs tied to hardware isn't something that benefit's gamers in the grand scheme of things except for helping your prefered platform survive. But even the latter point is just a matter of letting the hardware offerings themselves compete, the same way that TV manufacturers compete on hardware, not content.
If the gaming business will go the full way in that direction is another mater. Personaly, there's only a couple of IPs from MS I care about and a couple of IPs from Sony I care about. The vast majority of what I want is, and always has been, 3rd party. Having to buy multiple hardware for a couple of games here and there doesn't benefit anyone except the hardware companies that own game studios. And I'm pretty sure there's a substantial and non-negligible amount of people who own consoles and are in this same position.
Anyway, we'll see.
Arent you the one who said theres no example of people saying shit and when people come back with proof you change your tune to this?
Pathetic
Ceadeus
Member
Nothing moved, right? It feels like everyone at MS just sat on their ass, clueless and let the blizzard submerged over their head without reacting.
Like, oh guys, ship's is sinking what do we do?
BlackTron
Member
I stopped reading here -I'd made my point and it's really unchanged by what you're getting at.
What would be good for gaming is resources and IP in the hands of competence. If it were first party of a successful console, that competence is implied. We know that isn't Microsoft, so that's bad for gaming.
The correction wouldn't be to do it on a successful console instead of a PC "because tied to specific hardware is good for gamers". The successful console is just a signal they were qualified to manage the studios to begin with from past accomplishment which is a bigger question mark on the net effect on gaming than the hardware.
Team Andromeda
Member
I was being sarcastic, but didn't Bethesda buy up Tango Works in 2010 ? I doubt the late great Isao Okawa would have been wasting his time trying to sell SEGA Japan for a couple of billion to Microsoft back in the day if it hadn't been allowed under Japanese law either *rollseyes*
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TBiddy
Member
I know you're reading my posts anyway champ. Besides, I love how you keep going with the "you're all like" generalizations. Feel free to start digging if you want. I hope you can do better than your last attempt in this thread though.
I have literally no idea what you're talking about.
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RetroGamingUK
Member
Had Xbox Series not been a failure then that would have been the case, every Bethesda and Activision game exclusive.
Instead Xbox console sales collapsed and the rest is history.
GHG
Member
If I'm participating in a thread then I'll read the posts that are in the thread.
If you have something to say to me then reply to my posts instead of trying to hide behind other people. It's pathetic, but not unsurprising considering you're somebody who would rather this place was run by Xbox employees in the same way that certain other places are.
Hopefully the way all of this has panned out hasn't been too hard for you to endure over the last few years.
RIP discord crew 2018-2023.
Gorgon
Member
I don't know why you are taking a somewhat agressive reaction to my post. I don't even disagree completely with you, like I made clear from the first sentence. I wasn't dunking on you or anything. And I wasn't trying to "change your mind" or whatever, just presenting a different point of view that I think represents a non-negligible portion of buyers. But I guess the general confrontational tone of these threads doesn't help the dialogue.
Anyway, all good.
GudOlRub
Member
Rude! How dare you??
But yes, lmao I couldn't give less of a shit about mega publishers, witnessing the death of modern AAA gaming and especially live-service AAA gaming would be a dream come true.
Wolves hunt in packs
Member
I saw the positive in the MS acquisitions, i guess i didn't think ahead, i mean i didn't really care as i will own both PS and Xbox as long as there will be good games, i thought it was a game changing moment to Xbox... to be able to play the next Fallout, DOOM, CoD etc on Xbox should have made them equals to PS, and i thought i would enjoy that sweet sweet Game Pass day one games, so honestly i didn't saw it as bad news, but after closing Arkane and Tango i have no faith in the future anymore, that being said, yeah Xbox lost the "war" but i still see value in having an Xbox, and will probably get one it the future.
But wow, this is really a huge departure from how i saw Xbox future.
But wow, this is really a huge departure from how i saw Xbox future.
bosnianpie
Member
Ah yes! I remember them gloating about the acquisition and keeping fellow gamers locked out of popular franchises.
Not so fucking funny anymore, is it?
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Not so fucking funny anymore, is it?
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Klayzer
Member
Do Xfans on GAF suffer from some kind of amnesia T-virus or something? They seemingly can't recall basic information.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
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HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
I’m telling you. It’s not even just willful ignorance anymore, just straight up delusion!
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Cope. Xbox is dead.What has it impacted exactly? I see nothing wrong with the acquisition.
Implosion of the Xbox brand.. give me a break. Everyday there's another Xbox doom and gloomy thread and its getting boring.
According to another user the Xbox brand imploded because they are releasing their games on PC day one
Everybody has a different view on it.
By the way, I dont own an Xbox but I do own a PS5, competition is good and Xbox leaving the console business would be horrible for consumers.
But im glad we are all cheering on the Death of Xbox© over here
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Good point. The first year of financials after getting them shows the Xbox division would have been in the red if it wasn't for the traditional ABK revenue to add to it.
V1LÆM
Gold Member
It wasn't really about Xbox competing with Playstation. They don't care what platform the games are on. They'll still get your money whatever platform you buy Halo, Forza, CoD, etc on. It's funny people think Microsoft can't compete. They are one of the richest companies on the earth and if they wanted to spend more billions and invest heavily in hardware etc then they could.
I think it's smarter for them to own all those studios/games and release it on more platforms. It's all about increasing revenue and profits. They are primarily a software company (kinda in the name after all). Hardware sales is nice to have but it's not what they're about.
They don't care about silly online fanboys scoring points or deciding who "wins".
but hey at least the Sony fanboys got what they want. No competition. Yay. Bend over for Sony. The only ones winning are the corporations not the players.
I think it's smarter for them to own all those studios/games and release it on more platforms. It's all about increasing revenue and profits. They are primarily a software company (kinda in the name after all). Hardware sales is nice to have but it's not what they're about.
They don't care about silly online fanboys scoring points or deciding who "wins".
but hey at least the Sony fanboys got what they want. No competition. Yay. Bend over for Sony. The only ones winning are the corporations not the players.
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HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
These are the types of posts that let you know just how far into the ocean some will ride before declaring that a drowning is imminent.
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
I was playing CoD this weekend on game pass.
Klayzer
Member
Another point, is this bullshit narrative about, "this is good for gaming." Not one of these mofos cared about the "good for gaming" when Microsoft was buying out three of the biggest IPs in the industry, (Minecraft, Elder Scrolls, COD) in the last decade.
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mayham2199
Member
Who’s they? Cause we have emails that show us Phil Spencer 100% did care about games on other platforms and public statements on top of it.