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[MMaRsu]

If they leave the hardware market then there will be no place to access your library except on their old hardware. It's that simple. I'm not sure why you are acting like this is brand new information. Why do you think MS is constantly out there shouting they have more hardware coming because everyone has been here before we know what the next steps in this process are.

We haven't been here before because the market is totally different then when for instance Sega went third party.

If their is no new hardware and you can only play on old hardware, then there is no reason for them to mess with anyone's library. And people can play their games on that. If they dont release new hardware, that is what it is.

So Im not sure what the point is your trying to make.

But they also Arent going to leave the console market just yet. A next gen consoles that is competitively priced, plays GTA6 at the highest fidelity, and is marketed in a good way, can still make headway against a PS6 if they release it first.

 

[soulbait]

I have been playing video games, and not worrying about all the corporate BS.

 

[soulbait]

Devaluation of their investment

If you consider buying video games an investment, you may want to reconsider your money spending.

 

[mayham2199]

If their is no new hardware and you can only play on old hardware, then there is no reason for them to mess with anyone's library. And people can play their games on that. If they dont release new hardware, that is what it is.

If that's acceptable to you. Cool. If PS was in the same situation I would be worried and I'd be looking at moving over to Xbox already. I like having all my trophies and communities in one spot. It would suck to lose all that stuff. I almost didn't leave Xbox even after the reveal because of my achievements.

A next gen consoles that is competitively priced, plays GTA6 at the highest fidelity, and is marketed in a good way, can still make headway against a PS6 if they release it first.

It's hilarious that you even believe this is possible and you had the nerve to call my hypothetical retarded?

 

[noob smokes]

But where would xbox be without it

 

[aerts1js]

The activision games, chiefly CoD, were going to be on other platforms anyway. Now they're on GP day 1 and will continue to come to the platforms they were before.

It's a win for GP subscribers

Stop it. We all know that you were hoping CoD to be exclusive at one point. That dream is dead and its taken your soul with it.

 

[simpatico]

I think most people expected MS to leverage it more from a game theory perspective. The org is so big and lumbering, one hand needed it to divert customers to Xbox and the other needed to show profitability, so making titles exclusive wasn’t going to happen. In hindsight it does nothing for Xbox, and we will see how long MS has to keep the COD factory open to turn a profit.

 

[MMaRsu]

It's hilarious that you even believe this is possible and you had the nerve to call my hypothetical retarded?

360 beat the PS3 after PS2 being the most successful console.

Ps4 destroyed Xbox One after 360 was the most successful console

 

[DeepEnigma]

But where would xbox be without it

In the red and starting to be shopped around.

 

[Luc2010]

I approved of the acquisition at the get go. I am fine with results. I knew MS didn't have the balls to make everything exclusive. Why would anyone purchase something so expensive. Then turnaround and lose out on extra cash?

 

[Kilau]

Is Forza Horizon 5 suddenly not a fun game, because its also available on PS?

I dunno man, seeing FH5 on my PS5 menu hit me hard last night.

PS: gotta say man, the goody two shoes bullshit isn't fooling anyone, I suppose that most of the Xbox fans are "PC guys" now

*pats 5090*

Xbox? Xbox?!

 

[adamsapple]

Stop it. We all know that you were hoping CoD to be exclusive at one point. That dream is dead and its taken your soul with it.

 

[aerts1js]

360 beat the PS3 after PS2 being the most successful console.

Ps4 destroyed Xbox One after 360 was the most successful console

Because the Xbox 360 had exclusive games ? I still remember that gears of war commercial. Those days are never coming back.

There was also a clear momentum shift after Uncharted 2 released that has carried over to present day. I also believe ps3 still outside the 360 Worldwide.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

360 beat the PS3

In the US, not worldwide.

 

[MMaRsu]

Because the Xbox 360 had exclusive games ? I still remember that gears of war commercial. Those days are never coming back.

There was also a clear momentum shift after Uncharted 2 released that has carried over to present day. I also believe ps3 still outside the 360 Worldwide.

If they release a next gen consoles before PS6 that would still be the only console to play their "next gen" games on.

Not saying it will happen but giving up on Series X and focus in the future seems the better move to me.

 

[XXL]

 

[aerts1js]

If they release a next gen consoles before PS6 that would still be the only console to play their "next gen" games on.

Not saying it will happen but giving up on Series X and focus in the future seems the better move to me.

Back then a consoles’s life cycle had a clear start and end but it’s no longer the case anymore as late generation games appear on both platforms. Head starts don’t have the same impact like they once did.

Search your feelings.. you know it to be true.

 

[Orbital2060]

What has it impacted exactly? I see nothing wrong with the acquisition.

Implosion of the Xbox brand.. give me a break. Everyday there's another Xbox doom and gloomy thread and its getting boring.

According to another user the Xbox brand imploded because they are releasing their games on PC day one

Everybody has a different view on it.

By the way, I dont own an Xbox but I do own a PS5, competition is good and Xbox leaving the console business would be horrible for consumers.

But im glad we are all cheering on the Death of Xbox© over here

The Xbox is dead meme and related threads are a way for them to cope with the fact that the ABK deal went through. It started over a year ago, and its still not true.

And its one thing to confirm something died or failed, after the fact. Its a whole other thing to go around and repeatedly wish for that to happen. Thats what creepy about these threads; theyve dug so many holes in the ground that something or someone is eventually going to fall in one of them. I dont think its healthy behaviour, and people should take better care of themselves. Its a kind of mental illness, to constantly wish death on something or someone. Its not something you should fill your head with. Its also extremely tiring to deal with, for others.

About the ABK deal, I was sure they had to go multiplatform with most of those titles anyway, because suddenly isolating them to Xbox + PC didnt make any financial sense, with a long history as mutliplatform titles..

 

[Ebrietas]

So it seems GP is what Xbox faithful are holding on to now that the console is dead? Who’s going to tell them that GP lives or dies based on console growth?

 

[Giallo Corsa]

If you consider buying video games an investment, you may want to reconsider your money spending.

Fook off buddy, I've built my house from PlayStation game cases.
Now that's an investment

Hope you like blue

 

[TBiddy]

If I'm participating in a thread then I'll read the posts that are in the thread.

If you have something to say to me then reply to my posts instead of trying to hide behind other people. It's pathetic, but not unsurprising considering you're somebody who would rather this place was run by Xbox employees in the same way that certain other places are.

Hopefully the way all of this has panned out hasn't been too hard for you to endure over the last few years.

RIP discord crew 2018-2023.

Hiding behind other people? I'm posting in plain sight and you're reading it.

I have no idea what "certain other places", you're referring to, but I can tell you that you're once again making stuff up. I honestly couldn't care less which console Evilore prefers. I get that you have absolutely no arguments whatsoever, but it's odd that you insist on making a fool of yourself like that.

I don't own an Xbox and haven't in over a year. I currently have a game pass subscription, since I wanted to check if Forza had improved, but the last game I completed was The Last of Us Part 1 Remastered. Great game btw, so again, I'm not sure which hardship you're referring to. I'm guessing you're - once again - making stuff up to suit whichever fantasy you have brewing inside your head.

And I'm sorry to hear about your buddies in the discord crew. Hope you're doing alright.

 

[mayham2199]

360 beat the PS3 after PS2 being the most successful console.

Ps4 destroyed Xbox One after 360 was the most successful console

Because those consoles had exclusives.

 

[MMaRsu]

Because those consoles had exclusives.

Exclusives matter less and less when you see the top games on each platform

 

[Edmund]

The years of fear that acquisition caused Sony fanboys was real.

It didn't last long though. However, the fear felt by Xbox fanboys of Xbox games going everywhere is PERMANENT!!!

 

[BigLee74]

You always had "stuff" on GP day1, the difference now being that most of that stuff will be also coming to competing platforms.

Man, seriously now, there's always some spin, apparently now it's a good thing that a company that you've been investing in their ecosystem for years has gone full 3rd party, no devaluation at all, no sir...

Most Xbox GPU subscribers won’t give two hoots if Xbox games eventually find their way onto other platforms. They will be too busy enjoying playing all the new games day one on GamePass, and will have long since moved on to other games before PS/Switch players finally get a chance to buy and enjoy them.

There is absolutely no devaluation of their system or enjoyment. They are gaining from the acquisition, simple as.

Outwith these geeky forums, players really don't care about what is happening behind the scenes, or what the long term future holds for the company that produces their console. They are just playing Starfield, Stalker 2, Indiana Jones, COD MP, Avowed, Doom et al, ecstatic that they didn’t have to fork out several hundred £ for the privilege.

 

[TrippleA345]

Everyone kiss each other

 

[HeWhoWalks]

The Xbox is dead meme and related threads are a way for them to cope with the fact that the ABK deal went through. It started over a year ago, and its still not true.

And its one thing to confirm something died or failed, after the fact. Its a whole other thing to go around and repeatedly wish for that to happen. Thats what creepy about these threads; theyve dug so many holes in the ground that something or someone is eventually going to fall in one of them. I dont think its healthy behaviour, and people should take better care of themselves. Its a kind of mental illness, to constantly wish death on something or someone. Its not something you should fill your head with. Its also extremely tiring to deal with, for others.

About the ABK deal, I was sure they had to go multiplatform with most of those titles anyway, because suddenly isolating them to Xbox + PC didnt make any financial sense, with a long history as mutliplatform titles..

Why would anyone need to cope with the deal going through when absolutely NOTHING changed for the end user?

 

[adamsapple]

Everyone kiss each other

 

[Sooner]

360 beat the PS3 after PS2 being the most successful console.

Ps4 destroyed Xbox One after 360 was the most successful console

The great Xbox 360 was third place that generation out of three consoles. So what are you talking about?

 

[ExtendEmbraceExtinguish]

Most Xbox GPU subscribers won’t give two hoots if Xbox games eventually find their way onto other platforms. They will be too busy enjoying playing all the new games day one on GamePass, and will have long since moved on to other games before PS/Switch players finally get a chance to buy and enjoy them.

There is absolutely no devaluation of their system or enjoyment. They are gaining from the acquisition, simple as.

Outwith these geeky forums, players really don't care about what is happening behind the scenes, or what the long term future holds for the company that produces their console. They are just playing Starfield, Stalker 2, Indiana Jones, COD MP, Avowed, Doom et all, ecstatic that they didn’t have to fork out several hundred £ for the privilege.

Agreed. Personally I only want them to acquire other publishers.

 

[Giallo Corsa]

Most Xbox GPU subscribers won’t give two hoots if Xbox games eventually find their way onto other platforms. They will be too busy enjoying playing all the new games day one on GamePass, and will have long since moved on to other games before PS/Switch players finally get a chance to buy and enjoy them.

There is absolutely no devaluation of their system or enjoyment. They are gaining from the acquisition, simple as.

Lee, you can repeat it as many times as you want , you can shout it from the rooftops, but, no one is believing this bullshit man, especially from the moment that the most invested fans are the ones that keep repeating it.

It's literally brainwashing at this point what some are trying to do and again, this goody two shoes, "big heart" (ie, "all games should be on all platforms") bullshit is just that, bullshit and disingenuous - not to mention, it's gaslighting in its purest form what you, MmarsU and others are trying to pass as "OK".

And before you go accusing me, or other users of...whatever ('cause apparently it's a mortal sin having good, exclusives titles nowadays ) let me remind you that all the other platform users (PS5 and Switch 2) are the ones that "have it good" and have no proverbial horse in this race, on the other hand, mega-invested-fans like you are the ones that should have a problem with it since you're choosing to stan for a system/company that changes their policies whenever the heck they want to, let that sink in for a minute.

PS: Again, you're 51 bro, you should try taking it easy, remember about the vein popping that I mentioned earlier ? Yeahhh

 

[Sony]

Your best response is a flimsy whatsboutism? The fact is the acquisition happened and it did not help Xbox overtake PlayStation. At all. That’s why the question was posed.

“But this could have happened”. And? It didn’t. Are poor ol’ Xbox fans suddenly victims now? Is Microsoft suddenly a victim because they couldn’t beat “poor little Sony”?

To be fair, that wasn’t the counter argument for many of us in that thread. It was primarily that consolidation isn’t good for the industry. Many of us had the same attitude when it was Sony buying Bungie.

The amount of insincere concern around cloud gaming in that thread was really embarrassing.

How it started: "OMG MICROSOFT SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO BUY ACTIBLIZ BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE THE END OF PLAYSTATION, MICROSOFT WILL JUST IGNORE THE CONSESSIONS AND BE A MONOPOLY"
How it's going: "OMG MICROSOFT ISN'T UBERPWNING AND DOMINATING THE GAMES INDUSTRY THEIR ACQUISITION IS A FAILURE WHERE IS EVERYONE THAT SUPPORTED IT"

Give me a break. GAF seriously has "bitch eating crackers" attitude toward Microsoft and Xbox. At this point Microsoft could hand out free xbox' with free lifetime subscriptions of gamepass and people will complain about their business practices instead of enjoying what they have to offer.

 

[Giallo Corsa]

Hiding behind other people? I'm posting in plain sight and you're reading it.

I have no idea what "certain other places", you're referring to, but I can tell you that you're once again making stuff up. I honestly couldn't care less which console Evilore prefers. I get that you have absolutely no arguments whatsoever, but it's odd that you insist on making a fool of yourself like that.

I don't own an Xbox and haven't in over a year. I currently have a game pass subscription, since I wanted to check if Forza had improved, but the last game I completed was The Last of Us Part 1 Remastered. Great game btw, so again, I'm not sure which hardship you're referring to. I'm guessing you're - once again - making stuff up to suit whichever fantasy you have brewing inside your head.

And I'm sorry to hear about your buddies in the discord crew. Hope you're doing alright.

Biddy, out of pure curiosity, what's your previous NeoGaf handle/username ?
You're apparently a member since 2015 and yet, I've seen you batting/fending off infidels left and right only the past couple of weeks.

Sorry man but I just had a "who the fook is this guy" Connor McGregor moment

 

[soulbait]

Fook off buddy, I've built my house from PlayStation game cases.
Now that's an investment

Hope you like blue

Man, the house I could have built with those old PC game boxes. Those giant boxes with a single jewel case inside would have eclipsed any house made from my Xbox and PS games cases LOL.

 

[BlackTron]

I don't know why you are taking a somewhat agressive reaction to my post. I don't even disagree completely with you, like I made clear from the first sentence. I wasn't dunking on you or anything. And I wasn't trying to "change your mind" or whatever, just presenting a different point of view that I think represents a non-negligible portion of buyers. But I guess the general confrontational tone of these threads doesn't help the dialogue.

Anyway, all good.

Sorry for the "aggressive" reaction, I just knew what the rest of the post was all about, and that it wouldn't address the point I was making. I just read it, and lo and behold.

I agree with you conceptually. But making comment about the timeline we are presently in, no, I DO NOT think the acquisition is good for gaming. I've made my case why, but we're going to skip over that.

Your example of more platform agnosticism could make sense. For example, if SEGA didn't die, and instead bought a bunch of publishers like THQ, and kept making a console in addition to releasing games on Nintendo, and eventually Nintendo said "oh screw it, let's expand our audience and put our games on SEGA", then I agree it might conceptually be good for gaming. But, that is because SEGA was actually WORLD CLASS at making video games, unlike Microsoft. So, more studios falling under their management had the potential to be "good". In this case, it's just a clusterfuck with some maybe silver linings.

 

[mayham2199]

Exclusives matter less and less when you see the top games on each platform

Exclusives matter less but they still matter. I just don’t see them turning things around with hardware and I think even MS knows that. They are making all the right moves to eventually move away from hardware so they’ll be fine whatever happens.

 

[TBiddy]

Biddy, out of pure curiosity, what's your previous NeoGaf handle/username ?
You're apparently a member since 2015 and yet, I've seen you batting/fending off infidels left and right only the past couple of weeks.

Sorry man but I just had a "who the fook is this guy" Connor McGregor moment

Well I do have over 5,000 posts, including a warning in 2020, so it's not like it's a sleeper account that I've just recently started using. You can ask demigod how many "laugh" emojis he's given me over the years. I think we've crossed 1,000 by now.

 

[Giallo Corsa]

Well I do have over 5,000 posts, including a warning in 2020, so it's not like it's a sleeper account that I've just recently started using. You can ask demigod how many "laugh" emojis he's given me over the years. I think we've crossed 1,000 by now.

C'mon man, don't be harsh towards Demi, he's a good guy at heart, he's just...overly enthusiastic with those emojis, it's all good !

 

[adamsapple]

C'mon man, don't be harsh towards Demi, he's a good guy at heart, he's just...overly enthusiastic with those emojis, it's all good !

 

[Topher]

How it started: "OMG MICROSOFT SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO BUY ACTIBLIZ BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE THE END OF PLAYSTATION, MICROSOFT WILL JUST IGNORE THE CONSESSIONS AND BE A MONOPOLY"
How it's going: "OMG MICROSOFT ISN'T UBERPWNING AND DOMINATING THE GAMES INDUSTRY THEIR ACQUISITION IS A FAILURE WHERE IS EVERYONE THAT SUPPORTED IT"

Give me a break. GAF seriously has "bitch eating crackers" attitude toward Microsoft and Xbox. At this point Microsoft could hand out free xbox' with free lifetime subscriptions of gamepass and people will complain about their business practices instead of enjoying what they have to offer.

Why are you even quoting me with this silly rant? Clearly you didn't even bother to read what I said.

 

[BigLee74]

Lee, you can repeat it as many times as you want , you can shout it from the rooftops, but, no one is believing this bullshit man, especially from the moment that the most invested fans are the ones that keep repeating it.

It's literally brainwashing at this point what some are trying to do and again, this goody two shoes, "big heart" (ie, "all games should be on all platforms") bullshit is just that, bullshit and ingenuous - not to mention, it's gaslighting in its purest form what you, MmarsU and others are trying to pass as "OK".

And before you go accusing me, or other users of...whatever ('cause apparently it's a mortal sin having good, exclusives titles nowadays ) let me remind you that all the other platform users (PS5 and Switch 2) are the ones that "have it good" and have no proverbial horse in this race, on the other hand, mega-invested-fans like you are the ones that should have a problem with it since you're choosing to stan for a system/company that changes their policies whenever the heck they want to, let that sink in for a minute.

PS: Again, you're 51 bro, you should try taking it easy, remember about the vein popping that I mentioned earlier ? Yeahhh

Post #302 above. A guy just wants to play games and doesn’t care about corporate bullshit.

My boy in his room playing COD without a care in the world.

There are a LOT more of those casuals than there are of people who care about the Xbox future.

I’ll ignore the rest of your post as it’s all projection nonsense again, and you clearly think you’re cleverer than you are (I’m gonna accuse you of something, I’m a mega-invested-fan, gaslighting…)

I do take offence at being aged 51 however. Hugely insulting to a 50 year old.

(But I am called Lee, I’ll give you that, Sherlock).

 

[GHG]

Hiding behind other people? I'm posting in plain sight and you're reading it.

I have no idea what "certain other places", you're referring to, but I can tell you that you're once again making stuff up. I honestly couldn't care less which console Evilore prefers. I get that you have absolutely no arguments whatsoever, but it's odd that you insist on making a fool of yourself like that.

I don't own an Xbox and haven't in over a year. I currently have a game pass subscription, since I wanted to check if Forza had improved, but the last game I completed was The Last of Us Part 1 Remastered. Great game btw, so again, I'm not sure which hardship you're referring to. I'm guessing you're - once again - making stuff up to suit whichever fantasy you have brewing inside your head.

And I'm sorry to hear about your buddies in the discord crew. Hope you're doing alright.

Shame they aren't giving you a reason to keep on owning an Xbox. Hope you're still managing to have fun.

 

[TBiddy]

Shame they aren't giving you a reason to keep on owning an Xbox. Hope you're still managing to have fun.

In what world does that quote equal me wanting "Xbox employees" to run the forum? Please elaborate. I really want to see what's going on inside that head of yours.

And thanks, I'm enjoying my gaming life.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Shame they aren't giving you a reason to keep on owning an Xbox. Hope you're still managing to have fun.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

How it started: "OMG MICROSOFT SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO BUY ACTIBLIZ BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE THE END OF PLAYSTATION, MICROSOFT WILL JUST IGNORE THE CONSESSIONS AND BE A MONOPOLY"
How it's going: "OMG MICROSOFT ISN'T UBERPWNING AND DOMINATING THE GAMES INDUSTRY THEIR ACQUISITION IS A FAILURE WHERE IS EVERYONE THAT SUPPORTED IT"

Give me a break. GAF seriously has "bitch eating crackers" attitude toward Microsoft and Xbox. At this point Microsoft could hand out free xbox' with free lifetime subscriptions of gamepass and people will complain about their business practices instead of enjoying what they have to offer.

Yeah, people would complain. That's life, so get over it.

Irrelevant in regards to your whataboutism.

 

[Ozzy Onya A2Z]

Back then a consoles’s life cycle had a clear start and end but it’s no longer the case anymore as late generation games appear on both platforms. Head starts don’t have the same impact like they once did.

Search your feelings.. you know it to be true.

So no enlightenment then? Just quips and name calling? Guessed as much from the trash OP.

 

[Sony]

Yeah, people would complain. That's life, so get over it.

Irrelevant in regards to your whataboutism.

Lol, the whole premise of this thread is literally a 'whatabout': what about the people who were cheering the acquisition.
It's quite clear that if you resort to distractive tactics such as claming 'whataboutism', you have no substantive argument.

Prior to the Microsoft acquisition of Activision Blizzard:
- The only way to access call of Duty is by buying the game, there are more options now
- There were annual content exclusivity deals that de-facto led to an unfair situation, there won't be anymore
- There was no console only cross-play, there will be now

It's insanely disingenous to go out of your way to act as if these benefits don't exist. These benefits alone completly destroy the premise of the OP.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

Lol, the whole premise of this thread is literally a 'whatabout': what about the people who were cheering the acquisition.
It's quite clear that if you resort to distractive tactics such as claming 'whataboutism', you have no substantive argument.

Prior to the Microsoft acquisition of Activision Blizzard:
- The only way to access call of Duty is by buying the game, there are more options now
- There were annual content exclusivity deals that de-facto led to an unfair situation, there won't be anymore
- There was no console only cross-play, there will be now

It's insanely disingenous to go out of your way to act as if these benefits don't exist. These benefits alone completly destroy the premise of the OP.

The premise of this thread, though not the most appropriately written, isn't a response to a question. It's asking what those people think now who boasted so openly about the acquisition. Sometimes, you can take an L and admit to being wrong.

Saying "what about the other direction" shows that the original question posed obviously bothers you.

 

[bitbydeath]

Why

Because its also available elsewhere?

Is my Steam library als devaluated because games on there are available elsewhere?

More dumb arguments

I don’t know if you’ve ever used Steam before but there are a ton of exclusives on it.

 

[demigod]

If I'm participating in a thread then I'll read the posts that are in the thread.

If you have something to say to me then reply to my posts instead of trying to hide behind other people. It's pathetic, but not unsurprising considering you're somebody who would rather this place was run by Xbox employees in the same way that certain other places are.

Hopefully the way all of this has panned out hasn't been too hard for you to endure over the last few years.

RIP discord crew 2018-2023.

Was he part of that discord?