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Why does lotsa new AAA games this gen look WORSE??

Hollywood Hitman

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Why do idiots think it is due to some conspiracy to hire low performers instead of leadership chasing dollars? FFS nothing in business is done to intentionally lose money, especially hiring people to fill a quota. What the fuck do you people think the stock market and investors actually are? Charities that donate to companies to hire the wrong people? They are fucking investors. If a company does not perform, they sell their shares and go to a company that actually performs. It is moronic to not consider this basic fact about our economic system when you have to decide if your DEI is ruining things model makes a lick of sense. Hiring bad people on purpose is what you DEI criers think is happening. That's what you clowns think DEI is, companies blowing billions by putting the wrong people in critical roles. The fuck?
Dude it litrelly is that, people hiring based on all criteria but the one that matters, it's plain as day. And yea look at these companies that's why it's appalling, that's why it's insane is because they will absolutely take losses for their "messaging".

Dei is not what people think, it's a virtue signal from higher ups generally females who use it as a weapon. Theyre basically saying to minorities "you're not good enough to be hired for skill, I'm gonna hire you based on your skin color or orientation etc, because look I'm a good person"... That is easily what dei is and why it fails and why we see so many failures, not all but a huge majority of failures is due to this.

It litrelly can't be any more clear as day by now.
 
People should go back in time to the original PS1 and look at how early 3D graphics were

Spoiler: They were rough

We are going through a similar transition today from traditional rasterization to fully ray traced and it's going to look rough during the transition, just as the early days of 3D did
 

Laptop1991

Member
Worse looking? How?
I don't think they look any different than games years ago, or worse which use to use MSAA which is rare now, UE 5 isn't great either and Direct X 12 isn't an upgrade, i haven't been impressed by graphics in years, Indiana Jones used the same engine as Wolfenstein 10 years ago and Avowed looked cartoony and bland to me, then there's Redfall!, my opinion mate, deal with it!
 
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HeWhoWalks

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I don't think they look any different than games years ago, or worse which use to use MSAA which is rare now, UE 5 isn't great either and Direct X 12 isn't an upgrade, i haven't been impressed by graphics in years, Indiana Jones used the same engine as Wolfenstein 10 years ago and Avowed looked cartoony and bland to me, then there's Redfall!, my opinion mate, deal with it!
You’re on a forum. People are allowed to ask questions. Don’t like it? Don’t post, mate.

Now to your opinion itself, no, games don’t look how they did years ago. The look quantifiably better, with modern techniques, higher resolutions, etc.

That’s why I asked.
 

Laptop1991

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You’re on a forum. People are allowed to ask questions. Don’t like it? Don’t post, mate.

Now to your opinion itself, no, games don’t look how they did years ago. The look quantifiably better, with modern techniques, higher resolutions, etc.

That’s why I asked.
Your the one triggered and forums are for different opinion's, don't like it don't reply! and start an argument which isn't going to change my opinion.
 

Laptop1991

Member
Triggered? No. I asked how. Your panties got bunched from a simple question.
You just asked why!, when it shouldn't have bothered you, and now your throwing insults, i'm not the one bothered that you disagree, when i gave examples and reason's and you didn't so same reply don't like it tough.
 

HeWhoWalks

Gold Member
You just asked why!, when it shouldn't have bothered you, and now your throwing insults, i'm not the one bothered that you disagree, when i gave examples and reason's and you didn't so same reply don't like it tough.
It didn’t bother me. “How” meant “in what way”? Meaning, despite all of the technological advancements, how do games “look worse” (your words)?
 
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Laptop1991

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It didn’t bother me. “How” meant “in what way”? Meaning, despite all of the technological advancements, how do games “look worse” (your words)?
Fine, i was impressed with FEAR in 2005, i was impressed and wowed in 2007 with Bioshock, Assassin's Creed 1 and especially Crysis, but since that time graphics have impressed me less and less over the years and especially in the last 5 years with UE5 and Direct 12, the new games haven't impressed me by their graphics, i like the look of Atomfall for it's gameplay but it's not a graphical wonder is it, that is my opinion for the games i play.
 
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HeWhoWalks

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Fine, i was impressed with FEAR in 2005, i was impressed and wowed in 2007 with Bioshock, Assassin's Creed 1 and especially Crysis, but since that time graphics have impressed me less and less over the years and especially in the last 5 years with UE5 and Direct 12, the new games haven't impressed me by their graphics, i like the look of Atomfall for it's gameplay but it's not a graphical wonder is it, that is my opinion for the games i play.
I can get behind that. You expected even larger leaps, which is fair enough.
 
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RafterXL

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Why do idiots think it is due to some conspiracy to hire low performers instead of leadership chasing dollars? FFS nothing in business is done to intentionally lose money, especially hiring people to fill a quota. What the fuck do you people think the stock market and investors actually are? Charities that donate to companies to hire the wrong people? They are fucking investors. If a company does not perform, they sell their shares and go to a company that actually performs. It is moronic to not consider this basic fact about our economic system when you have to decide if your DEI is ruining things model makes a lick of sense. Hiring bad people on purpose is what you DEI criers think is happening. That's what you clowns think DEI is, companies blowing billions by putting the wrong people in critical roles. The fuck?
Because we aren't idiots and that's exactly what is happening. It's also happening across the board in other businesses as well, so why would gaming be exempt? I've literally dealt with this at my own company.

And in terms of gaming, it's like this. A development team used to be 50 people. And maybe 3-4 of those people did things unrelated to making games. Now a gaming company is 300 people, and 100 of them have absolutely nothing to do with making games. There is massive bloat in developer teams, you could literally fire half of these teams and make the same games. And if you still don't understand, go watch the GDC for the last few years. That's the Games Developer Conference, which is the premiere conference for game development. Most of that stuff isn't even about games anymore, it's about political and social ideologies and how they can push them or embed them into game development.

This shit is everywhere and not only isn't gaming exempt, it's at the forefront.
 

Fbh

Gold Member
I think in that case Sony first party games are for you. They are higher resolution, mostly 1440p 60 fps, and still look great. I think spiderman 2 is the only game that drops to 1080p in its performance mode, everyone else is 1440p. Looks like DS2 and Ghosts 2 will be the same. Intergallactic was also 4k 60 fps so it will likely be 1440p 60 fps or higher when it does come out.

Not for me though, the way I see it, games only get an upgrade once every 7-8 years, and if that upgrade is basically 1440p 60 fps of the same last gen graphics then that $499 i spent on the new console no longer feels like a good value.

BTW, Suicide Squad also did what you're asking, 1440p 60 fps on consoles, and people couldnt care less. It actually has its moments and looks rather good by last gen standards but people wanted more.

Yeah on a technical level I really like Sony first party this gen, I think they are some of the best at nailing the balance between visuals, image quality and performance. To me Forbidden West is still the gold standard for this gen (in terms of presentation, not the design/gameplay/story).

I really hope they keep the trend going this year and into the future, and we don't end up with more far away games like Intergalactic, Wolverine and Saros being some upscaled 720p crap in performance mode.

As for Suicide Squad, I don't think the technical aspect was what people had an issue with.
I also think it reinforces my point about art direction. It's clearly superior to Arkham Knight on a technical level but I still don't think it looks as good.
 
new games look better, guys

there some growing pains in the tech, GPUs arent really powerful enough for RT, and dropping stuff like physx pisses me off... but as a whole, my ass isnt plugging in a ps4 and thinking "wow, this is the best".
 

Hollywood Hitman

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new games look better, guys

there some growing pains in the tech, GPUs arent really powerful enough for RT, and dropping stuff like physx pisses me off... but as a whole, my ass isnt plugging in a ps4 and thinking "wow, this is the best".

I think you're misjudging what some like myself are saying, the ps4 games that look good still look great, your standouts.

I have a 4090 pc build and I run my pro, and yea games that are done well today like stellar blade, wukong etc... Look incredible but it doesn't change that were still getting some mid lane stuff that doesn't seem to push the bar like some of the best ps4 games did. But I mean would I go back lol no, but I can admit there are some games that just looks incredible still and really stand out
 
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