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Why has the narrative switched from just buy a PC to a sudden attack on PC gaming?
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Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
Because people were tired of PCMR's bullshit.
digimaster7
Neo Member
what are you talking about? what narrative?
March Climber
Member
I think he's talking about the unhappy 50 series GPU customers.
There is no narrative, people are rightfully calling oy Nvidia's bullshit, highlighting the problems of Windows 11 24H2 incarnate and just overall annoyance at the market that makes it difficult for people to easily join, nearly every damn thing is understocked or scalped these days adding to the frustration and eroding the ease that YEAH, people can point out you can just buy a fucking console and avoid this shit at this point.
Felessan
Member
What's new in this, it's a state of PC gaming for ages?
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
Again when it comes to PC gaming I have no clue, I’m just going by GAF saying prices gone very high when comes GPU.
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Because the RTX 50 series is awful.
I hope this translates into a tangible loss of sales for NVIDIA so they can stop the perpetual price hike. x60 cards still stuck with 8GB with 15% gen-on-gen improvements is unacceptable.
AMD GPUs have been well received. It remains to be seen if the stocks and MSRP will hold up.
I hope this translates into a tangible loss of sales for NVIDIA so they can stop the perpetual price hike. x60 cards still stuck with 8GB with 15% gen-on-gen improvements is unacceptable.
AMD GPUs have been well received. It remains to be seen if the stocks and MSRP will hold up.
"For nothing" Asking for $700 without a disc drive had nothing to do with it. No, sir.
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Dorfdad
Gold Member
Tell you my story. I constant go through phases console / pc etc had given up on PC for a few months decided to rebuild a system. 3 hours setting up installing configuring. Friend called let do some Fortnite for fun sure installed it, 2 games in Crashes, reboot 3 games later it crashes again. Gave up played some other games. Hitching, graphics caching every time there is a gpu update. HDR inconsistent or lacking, controls badly implemented it not even available. This to just a lot of work for little return IMHO.
Unplugged it and pout my ps5 Pro / switch and MacBook back into rotation. 96% of all games I can play on one of theme without the troubles and cost associated with pc gaming anymore.
Unplugged it and pout my ps5 Pro / switch and MacBook back into rotation. 96% of all games I can play on one of theme without the troubles and cost associated with pc gaming anymore.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Whatever. Is a fair price for 50% and pssr. Sometimes 30 to 60fps.
The disc drive issue is really so fucking overblown. Is still cheap if you add disc drive. It’s basically inflation price of base ps5 from 2020.
If it was 1000 it would still be fine looking at prices of these graphics cards.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
You’re the same guy who says PC gamers should upgrade their rigs and that the dirt-looking graphics of MH Wilds justify the laughable hardware demands.
Your idea of what constitutes a fair price is ridiculous.
And no, inflation doesn’t take you from $400 to $700 in 4 years
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Well they hate to earn something aside from inflation.
Mh graphics are nice. Just upgrade. I don’t understand why this it’s a problem suddenly. This it’s pc gaming. Lower something or upgrade. Besides, its a fake outrage. Those with 2022 4080 don’t have to lower anything. Just don’t run broken texture pack and use dlss anyone would use anyway. 4070 cards are also fine if my 3080 is. Anything with 12gb+ is kinda fine for wilds.
I am saying to upgrade because for me, pc gaming makes sense only if you can run the game looking and running significantly faster than console. So any 4070 to super pc should manage that No problem
64gigabyteram
Reverse groomer.
its like that because Nvidia is killing the hobby with their 2000 dollar graphics cards. simple as.
"just buy a PC" doesn't work when one of the most essential components needed for a good gaming PC is out of stock and costs 5 thousand dollars. Thus, people are turning on it. Thanks AI and datacenters
"just buy a PC" doesn't work when one of the most essential components needed for a good gaming PC is out of stock and costs 5 thousand dollars. Thus, people are turning on it. Thanks AI and datacenters
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Lambogenie
Member
History repeats. Parts are expensive as hell, the 50series news, back to poor ports.
Killjoy-NL
Member
This was kind of a fair point, until the Chinese market showed that people started buying a PS5 Pro over upgrading their PCs.
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Also the recent data from UK that showed 71% of games bought in 2024 was digital.
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Zathalus
Member
While there are a lot of posters on here that attack PC gaming any opportunity they get (we all know who they are), it is completely true that the 5000 series is a shit generation so far. Pointing out Nvidias greed and other issues with the new cards is not attacking PC gaming.
That being said, the AMD 9000 cards are really good, and offer a great upgrade path for a lot of people. Assuming stock and pricing hold that is.
That being said, the AMD 9000 cards are really good, and offer a great upgrade path for a lot of people. Assuming stock and pricing hold that is.
LazyParrot
Member
Some people on this board talk about PC like it's a console complete with an official brand strategy and PR statements lmao.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
When did it show that?
Then knock down $80-$100 if you’re going to sell me a premium system without a disc drive.
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Killjoy-NL
Member
We had a thread about it here on gaf about 2 weeks or so ago.
Maybe you're not the target audience?
64gigabyteram
Reverse groomer.
not THAT nice. The game looks ok, good even. But it's not worth the system specs. It's not a very well put together game in that aspect. Capcom's past games looked better and ran better so why is it all of a sudden that Wilds requires the most beefy PC on the planet to run at decent settings?
For many people who don't even consider AMD an option (ffs there are people still buying & defending Intel CPUs for gaming in 2025... that should say everything) 'attacking' Nvidia is considered an 'attack' on PC gaming.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
vaibhavpisal
Member
I think AMD just saved PC gaming.
Just like it will save console gaming in 2026 when next gen Xbox will release.
Just like it will save console gaming in 2026 when next gen Xbox will release.
Killjoy-NL
Member
It's been discussed in here, although it was about PS5 in general (not PS5 Pro specifically as I incorrectly remembered:
Idc what you believe though. Consoles are a good alternative to PC gaming in this economy, whether PC gamers want to hear it or not.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Thought so.
Not the point I was making. Consoles have always been a good and cheap solution to game. They’re not an alternative to PC gaming, more like the other way around. They’re the dedicated gaming device, not PCs.
The point I was making was that the people’s grievances over the PS5 Pro weren’t for nothing. They’re were legitimate. Just because NVIDIA decided to shit on their customers doesn’t suddenly make them less valid, especially considering the outrageous prices are for a completely different class of GPUs.
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loktaiextatus
Member
"And no, inflation doesn’t take you from $400 to $700 in 4 years"
Been to the grocery store lately? Shopped for a GPU lately? What about a car? Just for context from experience, $39,000 out the door for a 4runner off road premium in 2019.... thats how much they cost used with 40-50k miles on them now. We are not in a "normal" inflation state.
Some things went up. Youre acting like the PS5 pro is ONLY faster. It also doubled the storage space which on its own as an upgrade from a base PS5 is another 80 bucks. Just saying.
Killjoy-NL
Member
Thought what? It doesn't exclude PS5 Pro.
It's all relative and subjective, though. That's the point I'm making.
64gigabyteram
Reverse groomer.
let's see the availability of the cards in 3 hours. Yes they are primed to resurge interest but if there's no stock there's no chance.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
People are stupid and act like 4070 class cards aren't going to give you a great experience.
Thebonehead
Gold Member
HerjansEagleFeeder
Gold Member
Not sure if you know what the term "narrative" actually means if you apply it to the heterogenous, random mix of opinions expressed on this forum. Does there always need to be some evil genius plan behind everything?
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
It didn't switch.
Even with 5000 series issues PC gamers have other options.
Great time to start or continue being a PC gamer.
Even with 5000 series issues PC gamers have other options.
Great time to start or continue being a PC gamer.
Hyet
Member
PC gamers are dissatisfied with how Nvidia has made PC gaming extremely expensive and that contributes to the negative sentiment.
Any actual attack on PC gaming is, as usual, carried out by people who are very invested into their console purchase. Due to MHWilds poor optimization across the board some of this people, who historically have felt their self steem is mostly based on justifiying the election of their console of choice, used that game's PC launch and the mood around Nvidia latest GPU launches to declare their choice the wisest. Despite them being extremely convinced by the argument they put forth, most PC users know that the performance of a single title is not very representative of what the PC as a platform offers they dispute whats being said. But, since the console fans are just talking to protect a fragile part of their ego they rapidly resort to irrational responses designed to archor their position, turning the given conversation on whats technically known as "an exchange on the fucking Internet".
Any actual attack on PC gaming is, as usual, carried out by people who are very invested into their console purchase. Due to MHWilds poor optimization across the board some of this people, who historically have felt their self steem is mostly based on justifiying the election of their console of choice, used that game's PC launch and the mood around Nvidia latest GPU launches to declare their choice the wisest. Despite them being extremely convinced by the argument they put forth, most PC users know that the performance of a single title is not very representative of what the PC as a platform offers they dispute whats being said. But, since the console fans are just talking to protect a fragile part of their ego they rapidly resort to irrational responses designed to archor their position, turning the given conversation on whats technically known as "an exchange on the fucking Internet".
Hohenheim
Member
I don't know about any "narrative" here, but the lack of supply and high prices certanly didn't do the world of PC gaming any favours. Also, this stuff seems to come up everytime there's a new gen of gpu's. (Lack of supply, high prices etc)
Let's hope all the negativity is heard, and that we'll see some improvements im the next round of releases.
Also, the new AMD cards seems to be getting good reviews, and hopefully can make some healthy and well needed competition in the space.
I'm very happy with the actual performance of the 5090, as it's obviously a fantastic GPU.
So personally, as a mainly PC gamer i'm very happy atm.
Let's hope all the negativity is heard, and that we'll see some improvements im the next round of releases.
Also, the new AMD cards seems to be getting good reviews, and hopefully can make some healthy and well needed competition in the space.
I'm very happy with the actual performance of the 5090, as it's obviously a fantastic GPU.
So personally, as a mainly PC gamer i'm very happy atm.
Schmendrick
Member
Hardware pricing for the high end sucks, that`s it but unless you have uncontrollable fomo that is not really an issue.
Aside from that not much has changed except that PC now also officially gets Sony`s games, too. It´s a great time to be a pc player when you literally get to play 99,5% of all games that are being released in their best version (if we include emulation then there`s Nintendo`s games, too)
So I don`t really get where this "narrative to attack PC" should come from. Haven`t seen any of it, aside from the usual trolls.
Speaking of which:
Aside from that not much has changed except that PC now also officially gets Sony`s games, too. It´s a great time to be a pc player when you literally get to play 99,5% of all games that are being released in their best version (if we include emulation then there`s Nintendo`s games, too)
So I don`t really get where this "narrative to attack PC" should come from. Haven`t seen any of it, aside from the usual trolls.
Speaking of which:
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Fess
Member
High prices in general.
Console fans don’t like that their exclusives get ported to PC.
Nvidia’s 50 serie is insanely overpriced and they lied on the unveil.
Scalpers make it hard to buy anything.
Ray tracing is demanding and you get pushed to buy more expensive hardware than you planned.
Bad ports and shader stutter.
I think that’ll cover most of it.
Console fans don’t like that their exclusives get ported to PC.
Nvidia’s 50 serie is insanely overpriced and they lied on the unveil.
Scalpers make it hard to buy anything.
Ray tracing is demanding and you get pushed to buy more expensive hardware than you planned.
Bad ports and shader stutter.
I think that’ll cover most of it.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
I think a certain group of people feel threatened and were upset at attacks on the PS5 pro. There was also the supposed marching orders from MS that everyone should buy a PC now which caused extra scrutiny.
IMO both the ps5 pro and Nvidias new cards are bullshit, both statements can be true to some people.
But, yes. There seems to be an extra intensive attack on PC gaming from a section of the internet. Hopefully the 9070 XT launching today will help. I'm going to buy one.
IMO both the ps5 pro and Nvidias new cards are bullshit, both statements can be true to some people.
But, yes. There seems to be an extra intensive attack on PC gaming from a section of the internet. Hopefully the 9070 XT launching today will help. I'm going to buy one.
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