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[Discotheque]

I want them to keep the idea but set it in the past. bring back Hugh Jackman as Van Helsing. make creature from black lagoon, mummy, wolf man etc. in the past. go super gothic with the look of it all.

and to make it sustainable reign in the budgets to 100 million or less. i love that they're making a monsters universe but setting it in present day is awful.

 

[hirokazu]

Avatar 2 depends on if they bring back the real main character.

This looks awesome.

 

[Discotheque]

This looks amazing.

its just like my japanese animes.

 

[WhiteRabbitEXE]

This looks amazing.

This looks awesome.

WHICH ONE IS IT

 

[Pop-O-Matic]

Let's be real, it will be at least another decade before Cameron actually starts filming Avatars 2 through 9.

I kinda hope he takes so long to get to making them that, by the time they actually start filming, it's Robert Rodriguez who's directing.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

I want them to keep the idea but set it in the past. bring back Hugh Jackman as Van Helsing. make creature from black lagoon, mummy, wolf man etc. in the past. go super gothic with the look of it all.

and to make it sustainable reign in the budgets to 100 million or less. i love that they're making a monsters universe but setting it in present day is awful.

I agree 100%.

 

[broncobuster]

Yup. And then Cameron will push them just a bit further.
Gonna be bonkers.

Plus, unless things changed, Cameron will try and probably succeed in making high frame rate work. And last I heard about Avatar 2 he was planning to go hard on underwater action scenes.

 

[Dash_Riprock]

If it does, universal almost certainly cans the monster universe idea, right?

This is the second time they've tried to get the Monster Cinematic Universe off the ground Dracula Untold was first).

Avatar 2 depends on if they bring back the real main character.

When your most interesting, compelling, and sympathetic character is the gung-ho military colonel who ticks off every cliche in the book as well as looks like a fit Donald Trump, you KNOW you fucked up bad.

 

[dabig2]

Avatar 2 depends on if they bring back the real main character.

That's a neat videogame. But I like Sunnhi's Horizon gifs more.

 

[WhiteRabbitEXE]

looks like a fit Donald Trump

I don't think that's an accurate description given that such a thing clearly couldn't exist as defined by the laws that govern nature.

 

[hirokazu]

WHICH ONE IS IT

Both!

Sorry but I'd gladly do Avatar 2 on Day 1. Y'all can hate on it all you want.

 

[Schlorgan]

Neither, because neither of those two films are happening in the foreseeable future.

We'll be living in a post-apocalyptic wasteland when either of those things happens.

 

[Slayven]

Box Office GAF only does two things.

1. Crunch numbers
2. Throw stones at flops.




$140-150 feels about right.

Now is the time to see how much heat the Cruise Missile has. Luckily, he's got Mission Impossible 6 coming next year if it flops.

Boxoffice Gaf is the only thing keeping Kwiston's thirst for an Alpha Flight movie in check

Slayven responses seem to break the Bronson script as well. It doesn't know how to respond.

I am James T Kirk

 

[BronsonLee]

 

[MHWilliams]

A movie makes $150 million and counting and people are screaming bomb? Sure Jan.

If the movie cost $100-150 million, then making $150 million means it was not profitable for the studio. This is how movie finances work. It's not a mystery.

That is a bomb. Bombs don't get sequels.

 

[Busty]

If the movie cost $100-150 million, then making $150 million means it was not profitable for the studio.

That is a bomb. Bombs don't get sequels.

If they did we'd be on our fourth Scott Pilgrim sequel by now.




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[El Topo]

If they did we'd be on our fourth Scott Pilgrim sequel by now.

Finally something where our timeline comes out on top.

 

[MHWilliams]

If they did we'd be on our fourth Scott Pilgrim sequel by now.

Y'all getting stone cold in here.

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To illustrate the situation to that other poster:

Get Out made $183 million, and it cost $4.5 million. Success.
Power Rangers made $128 million, but it cost $100 million to make. Flop.
John Wick 2 made $161 million, and it cost $40 million. Success.
A Cure of Wellness made $25 million, but it cost $40 million. Flop.
Resident Evil Final made $312 million on a budget of $40 million. Success.
The goddamn Bye Bye Man made only $24 million. It cost a scant $7.4 million to make, so... success. (WHY?)
The Great Wall barely made a profit with the napkin math, making $331 million on a budget of $150 million. Coasted over the hill. But, that doesn't count marketing spend, so... bomb.
Ghost in the Shell will probably end up at $200 million tops. It cost $110 million to make and that's only the production budget. $200 million does not make it profitable, therefore it flopped.

There is not some magic threshold where a studio doesn't make money on a film and it's somehow still a success.

 

[lightskintwin]

A movie makes $150 million and counting and people are screaming bomb? Sure Jan.

Do you even math, bro? Ghost in the Shell bombed hard.

 

[Penguin]

Y'all getting stone cold in here.

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To illustrate the situation to that other poster:

Get Out made $183 million, and it cost $4.5 million. Success.
Power Rangers made $128 million, but it cost $100 million to make. Flop.
John Wick 2 made $161 million, and it cost $40 million. Success.
A Cure of Wellness made $25 million, but it cost $40 million. Flop.
Resident Evil Final made $312 million on a budget of $40 million. Success.
The goddamn Bye Bye Man made only $24 million. It cost a scant $7.4 million to make, so... success. (WHY?)
The Great Wall barely made a profit with the napkin math, making $331 million on a budget of $150 million. Coasted over the hill. But, that doesn't count marketing spend, so... bomb.
Ghost in the Shell will probably end up at $200 million tops. It cost $110 million to make and that's only the production budget. $200 million does not make it profitable, therefore it flopped.

There is not some magic threshold where a studio doesn't make money on a film and it's somehow still a success.

I don't know, the way folks talk about BvS... it is the highest grossing bomb of all-time I believe!

 

[jmdajr]

When your most interesting, compelling, and sympathetic character is the gung-ho military colonel who ticks off every cliche in the book as well as looks like a fit Donald Trump, you KNOW you fucked up bad.

The movie made 2 billion dollars

Anyhow, Congrats to Ghost in the Shell for being the highest grossing live action anime of all time!

 

[soundscream]

I don't know, the way folks talk about BvS... it is the highest grossing bomb of all-time I believe!

No that would be Suicide Squad, didn't recoup that 2 billion to break even.

 

[lightskintwin]

I don't know, the way folks talk about BvS... it is the highest grossing bomb of all-time I believe!

Despite BvS being a financial success, it's still a financial disappointment relatively speaking given the two iconic brands attached to it.

 

[Schlorgan]

Despite BvS being a financial success, it's still a financial disappointment relatively speaking given the two iconic brands attached to it.

It was also a disappointment considering that Warner set the whole thing up for that movie to make Avengers money, and it didn't.

 

[gamz]

This is the second time they've tried to get the Monster Cinematic Universe off the ground Dracula Untold was first).



When your most interesting, compelling, and sympathetic character is the gung-ho military colonel who ticks off every cliche in the book as well as looks like a fit Donald Trump, you KNOW you fucked up bad.

Huh?

 

[PhantomX1313]

F8 dropped to 98M so 530M WW https://mobile.twitter.com/GiteshPandya/status/853978759879434240?p=v

 

[Busty]

F8 dropped to 98M so 530M WW https://mobile.twitter.com/GiteshPandya/status/853978759879434240?p=v

I'm going to make a totally and utterly baseless prediction that F8 will do a 'Godzilla' and plummet next weekend which will lead to a North American total less than the $238m that Fast 6 made, perhaps closer to the $209m that Fast5 made. International will still be huge so it won't make that much difference to the overall picture.

Ah, yes. Now, to bask in my glorious prediction until KSwiston comes in and blows it to pieces with facts.

 

[lightskintwin]

It was also a disappointment considering that Warner set the whole thing up for that movie to make Avengers money, and it didn't.

Hence the "relatively speaking". You match up Batman and Superman in this day and age and the expectation is atleast a billi.

 

[BronsonLee]

I think the only James Cameron film I've seen is Avatar

And like half of Titanic

 

[Jacce]

F8 beat the opening weekend record, what chance does it have of topping 2 billion like Star Wars?

 

[Schlorgan]

F8 beat the opening weekend record, what chance does it have of topping 2 billion like Star Wars?

Pretty low with less than $300m domestic.

 

[MHWilliams]

F8 dropped to 98M so 530M WW https://mobile.twitter.com/GiteshPandya/status/853978759879434240?p=v

One million ahead for TFA to retain the record!

Despite BvS being a financial success, it's still a financial disappointment relatively speaking given the two iconic brands attached to it.

Correct. As an example, if Fate of the Furious made $600 million worldwide, that is definitely a success, but it would also be a huge disappointment for Universal, given that previous entries did $1.5 billion and $788 million. Expectations are important.

 

[Busty]

I think the only James Cameron film I've seen is Avatar

And like half of Titanic

Which half?

The half that broke off and fell in the drink?

F8 beat the opening weekend record, what chance does it have of topping 2 billion like Star Wars?

None.

 

[BronsonLee]

Which half?

The half that broke off and fell in the drink?

The half where Leo won at cards to get onto the ship and it ended when they were like 'yo I think we're gonna get iced'

I remember naked people too

 

[Branduil]

F8 beat the opening weekend record, what chance does it have of topping 2 billion like Star Wars?

It would need to do TFA domestic numbers in China.

 

[perfectchaos007]

Wow the Fast and the Furious franchise kills it overseas. I guess that's due to having cast representation from pretty much all parts of the world?

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Guys...F8 isn't even tracking higher than F7's WW lifetime receipts so...why are we talking about TFA's $2 billy?

 

[Sibersk Esto]

If F8 does less than F7 overall despite breaking the WW BO opening record, is it still a success?

 

[Jacce]

It would need to do TFA domestic numbers in China.

Is that impossible? 190 mil opening weekend there is insane.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

If F8 does less than F7 overall despite breaking the WW BO opening record, is it still a success?

Yes, but it was known going in that F7 was likely to outgross F8.

No one should be expecting it to make more, IMO.

 

[Macho Madness]

 

[cartographer]

If F8 does less than F7 overall despite breaking the WW BO opening record, is it still a success?

Yes. The record is a scheduling thing. It would be insanely difficult to top F7 overall. And nobody expected it to.

The Last Jedi isn't going to make more than TFA either, but will still be a success.

 

[MHWilliams]

If F8 does less than F7 overall despite breaking the WW BO opening record, is it still a success?

The expectation is that Paul Walker's death propelled Furious 7 to higher levels, so F8 is viewed as a course correction. Like I said, something like $600 million would be bad, I assume $850 million is around the "studio is really happy" level. High enough over 6 to show that the franchise still have forward momentum.

And as cartographer says, I'd think expectations for the Last Jedi are between Rogue One and The Force Awakens. $1.2 billion maybe? I'm just throwing out a number that feels right.

 

[BronsonLee]

I have to imagine they're dancing right now

If they hit a billion they'll be pretty stoked

 

[GAMEPROFF]

So has it now beaten TFA or not?

 

[MHWilliams]

So has it now beaten TFA or not?

For debut? Yes. By $1 million I believe

 

[GAMEPROFF]

For debut? Yes. By $1 million I believe

Meh.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

For debut? Yes. By $1 million I believe

Meh.

Doesn't matter if it won the title by a million dollars or three. Winning is winning.

 

[Busty]

The meltdowns if/when Last Jedi fails to reclaim the global opening crown will be sensational.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

The meltdowns if/when Last Jedi fails to reclaim the global opening crown will be sensational.

Will happen anyway. The first SW was always the most successful.