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Wkd BO 04•14-16•17 - Can't fight fate, Baby: F8 leaves WW B.O. opening record in dust

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Doesn't matter if it won the title by a million dollars or three. Winning is winning.

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Not when its within the margin of error. The other film could have actually sold more but we'll never know. BO tracking isn't an exact science, its like NPD
 

Jacce

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The meltdowns if/when Last Jedi fails to reclaim the global opening crown will be sensational.

There wasn't any meltdowns with Rogue One didn't (and still did amazing).

TLJ is a surefire 700 mil+ domestic film, possibly even 800. It will do just fine.
 
Not when its within the margin of error. The other film could have actually sold more but we'll never know. BO tracking isn't an exact science, its like NPD

BO tracking is several orders of magnitude more precise than NPD because the numbers are released to the public for free. We do actually, really know who "won" this race even though it doesn't mean much since LTD grosses are the more important race.
 
Still this is a major achievement, I'm locking my bet on anything between 1.3-1.5B here because of the popularity and no major play in weeks to come.
 

Akainu

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Wow, Ghost in the Shell is crazy successful on the international market, it just has made as much money world wide in about 20 days as John Wick 2 did in 66 days.

In a lot of markets it is still ahead of Ant-Man I wonder how much money it will make in total. Casting Scarlett seemed really worked out, else it would have ended like Power Rangers.

I'm sorry but this is just pathetic. lol Any other person I'd think this was a troll. But I've seen you in gmo threads.
 

GAMEPROFF

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Avatar is really a wildcard to me at this point. I really never see people talking about it outside the now and then GAF thread. Also I dont think technology will bring again in the people in buses. Really curious what is going to happen.
 

shintoki

sparkle this bitch
The expectation is that Paul Walker's death propelled Furious 7 to higher levels, so F8 is viewed as a course correction. Like I said, something like $600 million would be bad, I assume $850 million is around the "studio is really happy" level. High enough over 6 to show that the franchise still have forward momentum.

And as cartographer says, I'd think expectations for the Last Jedi are between Rogue One and The Force Awakens. $1.2 billion maybe? I'm just throwing out a number that feels right.

For every box office thread, we should put the Entourage quote on expectations.

"What's good, the expectation. Beat it by a dollar, I got wood, under by a dollar, and put a gun to my head."

If they expect a billion and it gets 900mil. The studio isn't going to be happy. They'll ask what they did wrong and try to fix it. It gets 600mil on a 250mil budget + 100mil in advertisement? Looking at the red wedding deux. GITS is a flop. It's not a bomb like Speed Racer that left a crater in WB still smoking.
 
For every box office thread, we should put the Entourage quote on expectations.

"What's good, the expectation. Beat it by a dollar, I got wood, under by a dollar, and put a gun to my head."

If they expect a billion and it gets 900mil. The studio isn't going to be happy. They'll ask what they did wrong and try to fix it. It gets 600mil on a 250mil budget + 100mil in advertisement? Looking at the red wedding deux. GITS is a flop. It's not a bomb like Speed Racer that left a crater in WB still smoking.

Given the success of LUCY, I'm pretty certain the expectations of GitS was to launch a new franchise and make at least 500 million hence why they spent so much. It's not going to come close to reaching any of that. It bombed hard. Just because you can name another film that bombed harder during a different time doesn't change that fact.
 
boxoffice.com has the Mummy opening to $50M, with a $143M total

I have no idea what Universal spent on the film.

Well, I have a partial bet on that one as 'bomb of the year' (goddammit GitS, what the hell), so I'm hoping for less. Unfortunately, this might be a weird one where it gets low domestic but higher international. Then again, there is that trailer thing where the general gist is already 'yeah no', so I think we can safely say it's going to do similar to GitS.

If it does, universal almost certainly cans the monster universe idea, right?

It was already dead, it's just that Hollywood producers don't learn from the past, much like every stock investor. It's kind of satisfying to see that play out exactly as you'd expect though. (hope I don't get to eat crow on this, but if Van Helsing couldn't do it, nobody should be able to).

Btw, having tried to actually watch Pride & Prejudice & Zombies, as well as trying to read the novel, I take great pleasure in watching these 'nails on chalkboard' productions fail. Public domain conversions are a fine exercise for writing, but any money made of it is by the chance of being a temporary fad, and nothing more. Seriously, that novel is unreadable as it has the delightful language of Austen's novel and then butchers it by inserting language that is abhorrently out of tone. It's awful and I kind of hope the guy bankrupts himself trying that whole 'imma producer now' game.


Avatar 2 depends on if they bring back the real main character.

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YES

To be fair though, that scene that Cameron clearly just put in as his 'beautiful story unrelated scene', the one which the seeds landing on Blue Main, is visually impressive enough to validate the movie's existence. It's kind of the only movie worth seeing in 3D, whereas every other movie in 3D is just a waste of energy. I hate those glasses and routinely have to take them off for a bit during movies because they strain my eyes for some reason despite 20-20 vision (or close to).
 
Wait, what? They wanted to start a Cinematic Universe with the Jackman movie back then?

No, that's not what I meant. Though it is kind of one nonetheless. That movie is directed by the same director as the 90's The Mummy and basically features every other monster and Van Helsing and knows exactly what it needs to be: schlock goodness. And it's awesome for what it is, has a bitching soundtrack, star cast, etc, so this movie should have made bank if any monster movie was ever going to do so.
It made 300 million internal on a 165 million budget. That's considered 'bomb'. Any attempt at bringing back the monster movies is therefore dead by default.

Calling it differently now (universe, whatever) is just avoiding calling it the latest delusional push for another push out of the trenches.
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Those FF8 gross numbers though, pffff.
 
Well, I have a partial bet on that one as 'bomb of the year' (goddammit GitS, what the hell), so I'm hoping for less. Unfortunately, this might be a weird one where it gets low domestic but higher international. Then again, there is that trailer thing where the general gist is already 'yeah no', so I think we can safely say it's going to do similar to GitS.

Well we already had Monster Trucks, but you're going to have other contenders. They spent 100 million production budget and at least another 100 million in marketing a Guy Ritchie King Arthur film. Perhaps I'm wrong but I don't sense any buzz for it.
 
Van Helsing was a horrible piece of shit film. They squandered the premise and the cast with it. The only redeeming parts were the black and white opening and Alan Silvestri's kick ass score.
 

GAMEPROFF

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Van Helsing was a horrible piece of shit film. They squandered the premise and the cast with it. The only redeeming parts were the black and white opening and Alan Silvestri's kick ass score.
At least the makers were sane enough to match the time period. The vampire designs are awful but beside that I think it was fun.
Still, not the Gothic Horror I want.
 

Slayven

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8. Emerge from lurking mode when the right trigger phrases are posted.


We managed to summon sculli and wachie with the power of Avatar.

Bronson pretends to barely qualify as computer literate, but in reality he has a script set up to automatically data-scrape GAF for mentions of his his name. When the script gets a positive hit, it generates a Bronsontalk (C) reply post that alternates between asking what he did this time, threatening acts of violence, or making fun of Canada. Bronson only personally posts on GAF like twice a day.
I protect the world from him, the world will never know my struggle
I'd bet they spent something like 143 million on it.
I think the Double Toasted guys had a good point, the movie looks "too big". If they going for the horror angel they should have maybe made it tighter and not another sky portal of doom.
 

Hero

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Why do people expect Avatar 2 to be successful? It's been so long since Avatar, 3D is no longer the hotness, and outside of this forum I never see/hear people talk about the original. International has gotten stronger for sure, but domestically it doesn't seem like a surefire bet to me.
 
Why do people expect Avatar 2 to be successful? It's been so long since Avatar, 3D is no longer the hotness, and outside of this forum I never see/hear people talk about the original. International has gotten stronger for sure, but domestically it doesn't seem like a surefire bet to me.

Because of this:
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Well we already had Monster Trucks, but you're going to have other contenders. They spent 100 million production budget and at least another 100 million in marketing a Guy Ritchie King Arthur film. Perhaps I'm wrong but I don't sense any buzz for it.

Already called dibs on King Arthur for the same reason as 'monster movies', the market for these re-do's just isn't there. I suspect over-familiarity plays a part there, but aside from Van Helsing I can also point at Beowulf as an example of 'that shit don't work no more'. Also, at the turn of the century, The 13th Warrior also bombed, despite being, as far as I remember, a pretty decent movie.

That is, it doesn't work as big budget action (schlock) movie.

Even midrange, like Victor Frankenstein (2015) when focused on action and not gore-horror, bombs horribly.

I'm sure Kwinston's data would paint a less subjective selection picture, but who can honestly say they would WANT to see another action movie attempt at any of these 'historical monster movie' myths? And while King Arthur is technically not part of that, I'm putting in the same 'myth' category.
Personally, I feel that we've seen, heard, consumed, and otherwise been exposed to that material so much (let's not forget all those fantasy games and novels) that there's nothing more to gain from it. Like, what would you even do with it nowadays that's new and interesting? I mean, I avoid fantasy games and novels like the literal plague at this point. Demons Souls / Dark Souls is the only exception because it does something different (at the time), as well as back on the movie end something like Valhalla Rising, which is more an art movie then a 'Viking' movie, but I really need something new from it in order to be even remotely interested.

And in that context, Van Helsing (2004) grew on me with time as the best that material had left in it as a 'big budget action schlock movie'. How you feel about that movie, or any other, is besides the point of whether it's profitable to make them. Transformers movies are profitable, despite being abominations of cinema. Myth movies played straight apparently are not anymore, even if the upcoming Bay-dump actually does use that. I do wonder if that's going to work against it in the BO, which will be interesting to see. If anything, that should demonstrate a negative relation if it actually exists on its own as a factor.


edit: also, the thing I actually bet on as 'biggest bomb' is a remake of the Six Million Dollar Man featuring Mark Wahlberg, which apparently is a thing that's supposed to come out at the end of this year, that nobody in the right mind asked for.
 
C'mon, man.

That isn't the classic Cameron photo we used to post all the time. :(

Still bearded Cameron. The most badass of Camerons. Sadly, he isn't bearded lately. But still badass.


And while I don't see Avatar 2 surpassing the original's box office, it will still be a monster.
Of course, we never thought Cameron would top Titanic's gross before he came and curb stomped it.
 
Are the Smurfs movies a huge money laundering scheme? How do they keep making more when they've appeared to be universally panned. Do they even make a lot of money?
 
Van Helsing has the distinction of being the only film I fell asleep watching in the theater.

Have fallen asleep during:
Braveheart (11pm screening, 3 hour movie)
Fellowship of the Ring, twice (midnight screening, then 11am screening the same morning, 3 fucking hour movie)
San Andreas (just that awful)

I think I need to stop watching 3 hour movies. This does not bode well for Avatar 2: The Dark World.
 

tomtom94

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Van Helsing has the distinction of being the only film I fell asleep watching in the theater.
I watched it on Netflix and barely made it to the end. It speaks volumes when the best thing in it is Hugh Jackman's English accent.

Also, I must be one of the few people actually rooting for the Universal Monsters universe to be half-decent. There's so much potential in there.
 

Chumley

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The movie made 2 billion dollars

Anyhow, Congrats to Ghost in the Shell for being the highest grossing live action anime of all time!

I can't believe there are still people on this forum who see money earned as the decider of quality.
 
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