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[Boneless]

The industry is booming mainly due to mobile games and the top 5 gaas games, not because traditional AAA Singleplayer games are doing great. Since I dont care about gaas or mobile games, yes, for me the industry is in shambles.

And regarding loads of great games, dunno, which ones...overrated stuff like Sony sad dad simulators ? Alan Wake 2 which was praised but it is worse than 1st and lost the fun and charm of that game? The endless remakes and remasters cause they are either out of ideas or so risk averse they cant greenlight something else? The many games that are in endless dev like the new Bioshock by Cloud Chamber announced in 2019 and nothing else since then ?

Nah.

Ehh, no. Mobile games decreased in 2024. Are you living in a shitty Playstation bubble? That would explain the limited perspective. Go out and grab a PC and look at the wonders that are out there. It's been a great time for single player games.

 

[FewRope]

Literally who asked for this game, just baffling

 

[Kamina]

If it cost that much and is still years away then just cancel it and take the L. Nobody asked for the game anyway,

 

[Shubh_C63]

I will never understand people with the claim Who asked for this.

Sexy looking female MC having Arkham freeflow combat with Nemesis system in a Single player semi-open world setting.
And people are allergic to this ?

 

[Black_Stride]

Literally who asked for this game, just baffling

Hot demi-god Wonder Woman using the freefliw combat system and possibly a good nemesis system?

And you are wondering who asked for this?

Shadow of mordor and Shadow if war were both goty material with a literally unknown lead.....make the same game with a popular character like Wonder Woman and in theory the game should sell itself.

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

When was the last time a Western dev made a likable female lead character?

 

[FewRope]

Hot demi-god Wonder Woman using the freefliw combat system and possibly a good nemesis system?

And you are wondering who asked for this?

Shadow of mordor and Shadow if war were both goty material with a literally unknown lead.....make the same game with a popular character like Wonder Woman and in theory the game should sell itself.

Are you trying to gaslight me into thinking this game is a genius move or something?

 

[Madflavor]

Are you trying to gaslight me into thinking this game is a genius move or something?

Who’s saying “genius move”? It’s just a good idea for a game. Wonder Woman is a very recognizable character, has an arsenal of magic weapons, and she’s a warrior who fights mythological creatures and other supervillains. The blueprints for a fun video game are right there. I don’t know why some people here are acting like nobody would play this game or that it wouldn’t be successful.

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

Wonder woman was created to be sexy in the comics. And she was also sexy in the famous live action TV show.

But i doubt she would have been sexy in the videogame in this day and age.

 

[Hypereides]

These gigantic, stupid failures will never stop being funny and sad, at the same time.

Its amazing how there are so many CEOs that are completely incompetent.

Most of these suits got/bought themselves into a hobby market they have little care for. Look no futher than Andrew Wilson or Strauss Zelnick for examples. Its one of the reasons these budgets are getting ridiculously bloated.

 

[Black_Stride]

Are you trying to gaslight me into thinking this game is a genius move or something?

Gaslight?

Wonder Woman is a popular character. (Literally only behind Spider-man(who has a game), Superman(who everyone is scared of) and Batman(who should be getting a new game soonish).
Free Flow is a popular fighting system.
The Shadow of Games were fan favorites.
Wonder Woman has a huge gallery of allies and foes.
Wonder Woman has an amazing arsenal.
Greek Mythology and/or New Gods would be an amazing setting with varied enemies/allies.
Assuming it uses the nemesis system for both enemies and allies, this could be a legit GOTY contender.



If Monolith get this right, it could very easily fill the hole that classic God of War left with God of War '18.

 

[VulcanRaven]

Gaslight?

Wonder Woman is a popular character. (Literally only behind Spider-man(who has a game), Superman(who everyone is scared of) and Batman(who should be getting a new game soonish).
Free Flow is a popular fighting system.
The Shadow of Games were fan favorites.
Wonder Woman has a huge gallery of allies and foes.
Wonder Woman has an amazing arsenal.
Greek Mythology and/or New Gods would be an amazing setting with varied enemies/allies.
Assuming it uses the nemesis system for both enemies and allies, this could be a legit GOTY contender.



If Monolith get this right, it could very easily fill the hole that classic God of War left with God of War '18.

I would say many of the Avengers are more popular. Iron Man, Hulk and Captain America at least.

 

[Black_Stride]

I would say many of the Avengers are more popular. Iron Man, Hulk and Captain America at least.

You dont have to guess.
Absolute Wonder Woman was the 5th best selling comic of 2024 forth if we dont count Absolute Batman twice.

1. Absolute Batman #1
2. Ultimate Spider-Man #1
3. Absolute Superman #1
4. Absolute Batman #2
5. Absolute Wonder Woman #1
6. X-Men #1
7. Ultimate Spider-Man #2
8. Uncanny X-Men #1
9. Ultimate Spider-Man #3

Wolverine, Hulk, Ironman, Captain America didnt even chart in the top 10.
Her books consistently beat most of the Avengers sans event The Avengers books and Spider-Man.
Venom had a huge event, popular movies but even he doesnt touch Wonder Woman.
She is consistently well written to the point I can recommend basically any of her books and youll have a good time.......even Spider-Man has bad runs.
Even her New 52 books were considered good......that universe was erased yet WW kept quite a bit from that universe in Rebirth.

Wonder Woman very very rarely has bad runs......DC cherish the trinity which consists of Wonder Woman, Batman and Superman.

I dont know which universe they are basing this game on but id love for them to have Grail as the big bad of the game, which opens the door for Darkseid as the big bad for a sequel.

 

[VulcanRaven]

You dont have to guess.
Absolute Wonder Woman was the 5th best selling comic of 2024 forth if we dont count Absolute Batman twice.

1. Absolute Batman #1
2. Ultimate Spider-Man #1
3. Absolute Superman #1
4. Absolute Batman #2
5. Absolute Wonder Woman #1
6. X-Men #1
7. Ultimate Spider-Man #2
8. Uncanny X-Men #1
9. Ultimate Spider-Man #3

Wolverine, Hulk, Ironman, Captain America didnt even chart in the top 10.
Her books consistently beat most of the Avengers sans event The Avengers books and Spider-Man.
Venom had a huge event, popular movies but even he doesnt touch Wonder Woman.
She is consistently well written to the point I can recommend basically any of her books and youll have a good time.......even Spider-Man has bad runs.
Even her New 52 books were considered good......that universe was erased yet WW kept quite a bit from that universe in Rebirth.

Wonder Woman very very rarely has bad runs......DC cherish the trinity which consists of Wonder Woman, Batman and Superman.

I'm not sure if comic sales are good indication of what characters are popular anymore. Hasn't been in a long time. Most only watch the movies.

 

[vagabond-]

Wonder woman was created to be sexy in the comics. And she was also sexy in the famous live action TV show.

But i doubt she would have been sexy in the videogame in this day and age.

agree. cant see they/them/whose making her faithful to her good old looks

 

[Black_Stride]

I'm not sure if comic sales are good indication of what characters are popular anymore. Hasn't been in a long time. Most only watch the movies.

Comicbooks sales arent a good indication of how popular a comicbook character is???

Well either way, her features in DC animated is super well regarded and her first movie was a massive success.
1984 can go fuck itself.
If anything having a good movie drives people to read up on the characters.......she was doing well before her movie and has been doing well since even with the disappointment that is 1984......how exactly is she NOT popular?

If we were to meta gauge her popularity across mediums she would be charting in the top 5 easy work.
DCEU Aquaman was super popular (thanks Jason) but literally everywhere else he aint shit.



Now I will give you this......in the genpop as in people who dont actually care about comics she may be further down the list, probably Cap A)(Steve), Ironman and Wolverine deck her, but she would still be a top 10 character who is so easily recognizable im actually surprised people are surprised shes an option for a videogame?







<----Clearly a Comicbook nerd and Wonder Woman fan.
<----Favorite character isnt Wonder Woman........its the Silver Surfer.....and the Hulk.

 

[Gaiff]

Gaslight?

Buzzword that none seems to use correctly.

 

[Black_Stride]

agree. cant see they/them/whose making her faithful to her good old looks

This is Shelob:

This is Shelob according to Monolith (Developers of Wonder Woman).

Yes I purposely chose the cutscene version because the graphics of this game didnt age as well as I thought and im too lazy to reinstall it to take some high res shots.

 

[VulcanRaven]

Comicbooks sales arent a good indication of how popular a comicbook character is???

Well either way, her features in DC animated is super well regarded and her first movie was a massive success.
1984 can go fuck itself.
If anything having a good movie drives people to read up on the characters.......she was doing well before her movie and has been doing well since even with the disappointment that is 1984......how exactly is she NOT popular?

If we were to meta gauge her popularity across mediums she would be charting in the top 5 easy work.
DCEU Aquaman was super popular (thanks Jason) but literally everywhere else he aint shit.



Now I will give you this......in the genpop as in people who dont actually care about comics she may be further down the list, probably Cap A)(Steve), Ironman and Wolverine deck her, but she would still be a top 10 character who is so easily recognizable im actually surprised people are surprised shes an option for a videogame?







<----Clearly a Comicbook nerd and Wonder Woman fan.
<----Favorite character isnt Wonder Woman........its the Silver Surfer.....and the Hulk.

I'm not saying that she isn't popular. I hope the game does well but I feel like they should have released it a long time ago when DCEU was still alive. I think The Avengers game could have been huge if it had been released around the same time as Infinity War or even before that. Licensed games are often too late nowdays.

Edit: I meant that she is popular. Fixed typo.

 

[Black_Stride]

I'm saying that she isn't popular.

And empirically you are wrong.


Wonder Woman is popular.......is she the most popular comicbook character......No and im not championing that.
But she is def in the top 10.
And def higher on the list of videogame options than Hulk or even Ironman.
Both who have had huge boosts in popularity due to the MCU.


Without RDJ Ironman would still be obscure and a game around him, again without RDJ, would be more puzzling than this.

 

[RetroGamingUK]

TES VI, Mass Effect 5, and now Wonder Woman. Am I missing any? This trend of announcing games 5 to 10 years before they realistically release has got to fucking stop.

Dude the AAA Game Industry is actually fucked if it takes this long to make games now.

More to do with Bethesda, EA and Warner being poorly managed.

 

[RetroGamingUK]

Does any other industry actively spend 100s of millions of dollars on shit that their customers repeatedly tell them they don’t want?

It’s baffling

Hollywood

 

[Kacho]

And empirically you are wrong.


Wonder Woman is popular.......is she the most popular comicbook character......No and im not championing that.
But she is def in the top 10.
And def higher on the list of videogame options than Hulk or even Ironman.
Both who have had huge boosts in popularity due to the MCU.


Without RDJ Ironman would still be obscure and a game around him, again without RDJ, would be more puzzling than this.

He edited his post to correct what he meant to say 30 minutes ago. Why would you purposely quote him to argue what he wasn't saying?

 

[VulcanRaven]

And empirically you are wrong.


Wonder Woman is popular.......is she the most popular comicbook character......No and im not championing that.
But she is def in the top 10.
And def higher on the list of videogame options than Hulk or even Ironman.
Both who have had huge boosts in popularity due to the MCU.


Without RDJ Ironman would still be obscure and a game around him, again without RDJ, would be more puzzling than this.

Sorry that was a typo. I meant that she is popular. I edited it.

 

[Hypereides]

I recall when WB shut down "This is Vegas" shortly after they acquired Midway's portfolio post bankruptcy. Why? Apparently, among other reasons, it dared to caricaturize/satirise of some famous people the board of directors were closely acquainted with (link). That portrayal was apparently going a step too far. That's the kind of humourless people sitting in the WB conference room making decisions on what you get to play.

 

[Madflavor]

The sentiments on here about nobody wanting a Wonder Woman game seem to be a bit out of touch. Even after the huge back to back stinkers of Batman v. Superman and Suicide Squad, Wonder Woman did great at the box office. Her newest comic book run has been consistently cracking the Top 5 these past few months. She's one of the most iconic female characters ever, and we've never had a proper Wonder Woman game. Was there a "demand" for one? No, but it's crazy to think that if they did make a Wonder Woman game and it looked good, that it wouldn't be a commercial success.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I recall when WB shut down "This is Vegas" shortly after they acquired Midway's portfolio post bankruptcy. Why? Apparently, among other reasons, it dared to caricaturize/satirise of some famous people the board of directors were closely acquainted with (link). That portrayal was apparently going a step too far. That's the kind of humourless people sitting in the WB conference room making decisions on what you get to play.

A lot of people at work have zero sense of humour. You'd think the higher level someone is (or famous people) would have the biggest tolerance for funny jabs since they are already at a point in life they are doing well. Guess not. Ego too big.

It's like half the people at the office are chill, can take a joke, can do self deprecating humour they are fat or bald, and everyone has a laugh. Not in a mean spirited way. But just grown adults having a chuckle because everyone has something funny about them. Fuck, I never care when people have made fun of some clothes I wear that have zero style or I am overweight. Who cares. And guess what? They are right! I am chubby and sometimes I dont care and buy some golf shirts at Walmart for $19.99 which you can tell arent as snazzy as a Nike one. Big deal.

But then the other half, you got to watch what you say because they'll storm off to HR like crybabies.

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

The sentiments on here about nobody wanting a Wonder Woman game seem to be a bit out of touch. Even after the huge back to back stinkers of Batman v. Superman and Suicide Squad, Wonder Woman did great at the box office. Her newest comic book run has been consistently cracking the Top 5 these past few months. She's one of the most iconic female characters ever, and we've never had a proper Wonder Woman game. Was there a "demand" for one? No, but it's crazy to think that if they did make a Wonder Woman game and it looked good, that it wouldn't be a commercial success.

For a 150M budget game to be a commercial success it should sell 4-5 million copies. WW is not selling that, even if it turned out great, which I highly doubt.

 

[diffusionx]

This industry just fell apart in the 2017-2022 time frame where these studios just bloated up to an insane degree, started pushing all these political and DEI initiatives, and simultaneously lost the ability to make a good game.

I know the Shadow of War game isn't perfect but it is huge, deep, has tons of content, and very advanced systems. It's a game built around a license as well (although it does take a lot of liberties with it). The game came out in 2017. The idea that immediately after this studio somehow lost the ability to make a similar game and EIGHT YEARS later is not even close doesn't make sense. Something very clearly happened with this studio in terms of staffing, priorities, management, etc. and they can't do it anymore. But we've seen this throughout the industry, there are tons of examples.

 

[Madflavor]

For a 150M budget game to be a commercial success it should sell 4-5 million copies. WW is not selling that, even if it turned out great, which I highly doubt.

I don't agree, 4-5 million copies sold is a totally achievable number for a multiplatform AAA Wonder Woman game.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

This industry just fell apart in the 2017-2022 time frame where these studios just bloated up to an insane degree, started pushing all these political and DEI initiatives, and simultaneously lost the ability to make a good game.

I know the Shadow of War game isn't perfect but it is huge, deep, has tons of content, and very advanced systems. It's a game built around a license as well (although it does take a lot of liberties with it). The game came out in 2017. The idea that immediately after this studio somehow lost the ability to make a similar game and EIGHT YEARS later is not even close doesn't make sense. Something very clearly happened with this studio in terms of staffing, priorities, management, etc. and they can't do it anymore. But we've seen this throughout the industry, there are tons of examples.

Who knows.

The root cause definitely shouldnt be money as costs and budgets have skyrocketed. Now if they think it's still too cheap because budgets have to got to get even bigger to be good, forget it. stop grifting for more resources. And most big games probably take twice as long as old gens to make. So time shouldnt be an issue either.

Now if game studios claim they need even more money and more time than before because games are so big and detailed that's the company's issue. They cant do their projects on time and cost effective. Instead go balls to the ball maxing it out. That's their problem.

To me, I think gaming got so big with budgets, money and employee count it's become too unmanageable. Ok, maybe R* can handle it making great GTA and RDR games with a million workers and 10 years to make, but many studios cant.

And when you got too many people, that means more possibility for political weirdos influencing the product with their life stories and more bosses who cant manage the department. Or perhaps it's too hard to find good talent. If a team 10-20 years ago was 50 core people and now it's 150. Who says those extra 100 people are all awesome?

Out of all the employees at a game company, I dont get a sense the sales, finance, or marketing employees are the ones fucking up the game or being overbudget. It's the game making teams.