Tricky I Shadow
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This x10 billion.
Uchikoshi is one of those people, lol. But she is also his favorite character in the series.
(VLR spoilers):
The Another Time end of VLR really explains a lot of that, and how people come to that conclusion. You can really tell from what Clover, Alice, and Tenmyouji think about basically only being a means to an end.
When Tenmyouji told the biker example, I wonder if it was actually a true story rather than just an example. The fact that he dresses more like a biker in ZTD leads me to believe that might be the case.
When Tenmyouji told the biker example, I wonder if it was actually a true story rather than just an example. The fact that he dresses more like a biker in ZTD leads me to believe that might be the case.
I don't think she's innocent. She's a morally grey character and that's what makes her one of the best.
What bothers me is when people pin her as evil without taking any of her actions and support into account.
We're talking about a character who was kidnapped and burned alive as a child in front of other children which includes her brother. She then has to find a way to avoid a paradox for her existence so she's assisted by her brother, Seven and Snake to setup the nonary game. Two of the participants are why this is happening in the first place and yet instead of repenting and avoiding death, they try to kill or take others with them. By the end Junpei doesn't blame Akane for the events and the only danger of death was from the sociopaths who caused this in the first place.
Then we move to VLR where half the participants are willing ones! We have Sigma, Phi, Junpei, Dio, Luna and K while the participants that were forced are Alice and Clover. She's trying to find a way to save the world after all she's done is experience death.
Then we move to VLR where half the participants are willing ones! We have Sigma, Phi, Junpei, Dio, Luna and K while the participants that were forced are Alice and Clover. She's trying to find a way to save the world after all she's done is experience death.
If she's supposed to be considered
bad then I guess Sigma and Phi are evil too.
grim-tales
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I agree. She's seen some scary, fucked up shit which has no doubt freaked her out and changed how she thinks. Ace/Hongou is the bad guy in this scenario, not her. Although she has grown colder but that was by the time of VLR
I don't think Snake had anything to do with the second Nonary game. That was all Akane, her brother, and Seven.
DrunkShogun
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100% agree. She's always seemed to me to be the character who has tried to prevent a disaster by committing to a cause that resulted in her not living her own life. She needs to apologise to junpei for walking out on him so casually.
Akane is not going to be reprimanded for attempting to save humanity. None of the characters seem to have animosity towards her either.
Question for people who played (And completed) 999 and VLR in japanese:
Was Snake's real name "Light?" Or was it the japanese word for light (Hikari?)? And was Brother's deceased sibling named "Left," or was it the japanese word for left?
Could we have an L ~= R situation here, where Light is Right, the Brother of Left?
Could we have an L ~= R situation here, where Light is Right, the Brother of Left?
He was in the ship so he knew she got out alive, so why would he lie to Junpei when he said that she was dead?
He was in it as well.
He was in it as well.
PurpleMaster
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Didn't play the game in jap, but I'm ALMOST sure that
Snake is Raito and Left is Refuto. I asked the same questions aeons ago! 
Didn't play the game in jap, but I'm ALMOST sure thatSnake is Raito and Left is Refuto. I asked the same questions aeons ago!
:O
Okay then. Snake it is
Poltergust
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Remember, Akane was both alive and dead up until the ending of 999. Him saying that she died would not be a lie, and neither would him saying that she lived. They are both true until Junpei either succeeded in saving Akane or failed. That's why Akane literally disappears in the Safe ending, because she truly died a decade prior and ceased to exist.
It's why I also think Seven was genuinely suffering from amnesia. I believe the overdose of the drug used to conk him out (he is a big guy, after all) and the paradoxical events of the first Nonary Game can actually just make him lose his memories of what transpired.
Besides, there really isn't any reason to include either Snake or Seven on the scheme. Akane had the whole thing planned out and Santa provided the financial backing. Snake and Seven had nothing to directly contribute to the Nonary Game. I also find it highly doubtful that Snake would put Clover in harm's way for the sake of Akane. When he goes berserk in the Safe ending, he didn't at all give the impression that the Nonary Game was a failed plan or anything like that.
It's why I also think Seven was genuinely suffering from amnesia. I believe the overdose of the drug used to conk him out (he is a big guy, after all) and the paradoxical events of the first Nonary Game can actually just make him lose his memories of what transpired.
Besides, there really isn't any reason to include either Snake or Seven on the scheme. Akane had the whole thing planned out and Santa provided the financial backing. Snake and Seven had nothing to directly contribute to the Nonary Game. I also find it highly doubtful that Snake would put Clover in harm's way for the sake of Akane. When he goes berserk in the Safe ending, he didn't at all give the impression that the Nonary Game was a failed plan or anything like that.
I don't think she was both alive and dead the whole time. In order to recreate the Nonary Game from Junpei's memories she had to be alive up until the beginning of 999. After that, she would start to feel pains if Junpei went astray from the path that would save her in the past, because that would create a paradox and thus, as you said, she would cease to exsit.
But if the Nonary Game was recreated in the first place, then she got out alive from the ship and Snake saw that.
If Snake had said that to Junpei in other endings, then I'd agree with you. In the Submarine/Axe/Knife endings, she'd cease to exist and Akane would truly have died in the past. But Snake says that during the True Ending, when young Akane was saved by Junpei. It's certainly a lie, and even Uchikoshi says so.
Just as Lotus' presence in the game, you could say that Snake's lie was something that Akane had to make it happen in order to recreate the events as faithfully as possible.
But if the Nonary Game was recreated in the first place, then she got out alive from the ship and Snake saw that.
If Snake had said that to Junpei in other endings, then I'd agree with you. In the Submarine/Axe/Knife endings, she'd cease to exist and Akane would truly have died in the past. But Snake says that during the True Ending, when young Akane was saved by Junpei. It's certainly a lie, and even Uchikoshi says so.
Just as Lotus' presence in the game, you could say that Snake's lie was something that Akane had to make it happen in order to recreate the events as faithfully as possible.
Tricky I Shadow
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I've been studying the scans and I'm dying to know what 'Fragment Select' is all about for each of the teams. Interstingly 'Flow' is at the bottom of the screen too.
Also, in one of the screenshots I thought Phi was shown on a monitor, but on a second look it seems like she's stuck in a small place ready for something nasty to happen to her.
Also, in one of the screenshots I thought Phi was shown on a monitor, but on a second look it seems like she's stuck in a small place ready for something nasty to happen to her.
I hope we can get a separate spoiler thread for this. The hype is beyond belief and it would be painful to enter the OT and be cautious due to overbearing white bars.
Unknown at this time, maybe it's all a lie!
In short, yes.
If no one else has, I will volunteer for it. Who knows when this thing is coming though, especially since OTs are on release day now.
Friend pointed this out to me, but Aksys_June follows a number of voice actors on Twitter. A lot of them have worked with the studio in the past, so there's not much out of the ordinary. However, she also follows Rena Strober, Keith Silverstein, and Evan Smith, who as far as I've been able to research, haven't worked on any Aksys games before. It might be nothing, but considering Evan is a relative newcomer, who I don't think has even been in a game before and who barely has a Twitter presence, it could mean they're all in the game, on top of DC Douglas.
Here's his video game demo reel. I think he could make for a good Carlos.
Here's his video game demo reel. I think he could make for a good Carlos.
Volcynika made the claim last year, and they're still planning to do it.
No, Seven definitely was involved. In the true ending, Junpei says to him in the car "You didn't really have amnesia, did you?" And Seven smiles and laughs. Actually, I think Seven may have been providing some of the investment capital to Akane and Santa. He appears to have been a very high profile federal detective/agent of some kind, yet he was dressed completely like a bum. So where was all of his money going? Answer: He was investing every penny in the plan to save Akane. He's been working the case tirelessly for years.
The Silver
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Where's Akane, they were practically sort of a family.
Can someone clarify something?
A few pages back someone said the Sigma in ZTD
So is the poster wrong or am I missing something?
Also I didn't understand why Sigma at the end of VLR, when he's talking to
A few pages back someone said the Sigma in ZTD
would be the old Sigma in young Sigma's body. But I thought young Sigma went back to the past in VLR and the whole point of VLR was to set up young Sigma to go through the Mars test site with his timeline jumping powers. The old Sigma does return to 2074 at the end of VLR. Phi said he was sleeping in his room to "?"
Also I didn't understand why Sigma at the end of VLR, when he's talking to
Akane in the past had already lost his arms and eye:
http://blog-imgs-51.fc2.com/y/u/u/yuunagitumige/20120606223316a89.jpg
I thought the Mars test didn't happen yet so how did he lose his body parts already?
http://blog-imgs-51.fc2.com/y/u/u/yuunagitumige/20120606223316a89.jpg
I thought the Mars test didn't happen yet so how did he lose his body parts already?
You're getting
the point Sigma jumped back to
Old Sigma jumps back to just after he got knocked out by Akane on Christmas, then goes through the Mars Mission Test Site, loses his limbs/eye, and then jumps back to post-VLR. At that point Young Sigma jumps back to his post-Mars Mission Test Site body.
The end of VLR where
Akane pulls the knife
get young Sigma back to the test site
get old Sigma back to Rhizome-9 and set young Sigma on the path to creating the events of VLR
The Silver
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Young Sigma after getting knocked out in his car(set up by Akane) ends up traveling into his older body in the future to take part in the VLR game, his older self at the same time traveled to his out young body to take part in the Mars test mission(he fails, losing his body parts)
When young Sigma went back to the past at the end of VLR it was after his older self(steering his body) had went through the Mars test mission, young Sigma's role now is to hang out with Akane on the moon and study science for decades so he can prepare the scenario for the ambidex game.
When young Sigma went back to the past at the end of VLR it was after his older self(steering his body) had went through the Mars test mission, young Sigma's role now is to hang out with Akane on the moon and study science for decades so he can prepare the scenario for the ambidex game.
OK so then young Sigma (or rather the mind of Sigma who we play as in VLR) is now going into research mode and living until he becomes an old man, goes back in time again once the "new" young Sigma is knocked out by gas, and with his enhanced timeline powers, he can finally (attempt to) succeed at the Mars test site?
But in this case it's still Sigma who we play as in VLR (young Sigma) who's going back in time, no?
But in this case it's still Sigma who we play as in VLR (young Sigma) who's going back in time, no?
Right, he's just way older now. Both old sigma and young sigma had esper powers - they are one and the same person, after all. However, old sigma had not perfected his powers in the AB game, and thus had failed at the Mars Test Site. "Young" sigma perfects his powers in the AB game, takes 40 years to research science and develop the AB game. The AB game and jump points are set up as a feedback loop so that Sigma continues to develop his powers until he is proficent enough to be able to find a path that saves humanity at the mars test site. He is not just jumping between different paths in the facility on the moon - he's honing his jumping skills for the mars test facility, failing countless times, but remembering none of it because there is only a "young" sigma and an "old" sigma, both of which are feeding the loop from both sides until they both can succeed
I think you might be on to something with that idea.
I played 999 in English but I just checked a niconico play-through of 999. Snake is called ライト (Raito) in 999. I think most people would read this as "light" without further context and the Aksys localizer went with "light" as well, BUT I checked a dictionary:
Is it possible that this was Uchikoshi's intention with the name? Pure speculation, I don't remember enough of the story and really need to replay the game.
(Snake's real name in 999): http://abload.de/img/sankein9991light2righquu9k.png
ライト (adj-na,n) (1) light; (2) right;
Is it possible that this was Uchikoshi's intention with the name? Pure speculation, I don't remember enough of the story and really need to replay the game.
(Snake's real name in 999): http://abload.de/img/sankein9991light2righquu9k.png
Left
I think you might be on to something with that idea.I did play VLR in Japanese though and still have that savegame, can you point me to the part in the story whereI played 999 in English but I just checked a niconico play-through of 999. Snake is called ライト in 999. I think most people would read this as "light" without further context and the Aksys localizer went with "light" as well, BUT I checked a dictionary:
Is it possible that this was Uchikoshi's intention with the name? Pure speculation, I don't remember enough of the story and really need to replay the game.
(Snake's real name in 999): http://abload.de/img/sankein9991light2righquu9k.pngis mentioned so I can check? It's been a whileLeft
It's in Dio's ending
thanks! I can confirm that
his name is Left (Refuto) in the Japanese version. Also, no other meaning for that one:
(Left in VLR) http://abload.de/img/screenshot2016-03-11aa1ujt.png
So there's a guy named "Light/Right" in part one and a guy named "Left" in part two,
レフト
(Left in VLR) http://abload.de/img/screenshot2016-03-11aa1ujt.png
So there's a guy named "Light/Right" in part one and a guy named "Left" in part two,
It's the only logical conclusion!
edit: haha, just realized that his last name is
"Field" so that might even be a pun for that third meaning: "Right Field"
Just finished the VLR true ending tonight. Excitement for ZTD went way up, and some things make a lot more sense now.
On the other hand, having viewed ALL of the novel segments, I'm pretty confused as to what just happened. Need some time to digest this...
Oh holy fuck I think I know who (super endgame spoiler)
Now it makes sense why
On the other hand, having viewed ALL of the novel segments, I'm pretty confused as to what just happened. Need some time to digest this...
Oh holy fuck I think I know who (super endgame spoiler)
Kyle is at the very end now.
Phi couldn't say anything. That is some fourth wall shit.
Imagine you played this game in 2012 and lived three years with the firm belief there would be no sequel.
Yeah, after I finished the game for the first time I immediately replayed the true ending to get a firm grasp of the story. You can also try the Zero Escape Wiki to clarify things.
All old Sigmas have the same power. It's a loop. Conciousnes of old Sigma we see in VLR also went through Ambidex game. Akane has said that they have to keep events of VLR in every loop exactly the same or they might lock themselves out of saving humanity in the past.
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
Love this!
**saves**
As much as I love Akane and Junpei I think I'm on #teamD. I'm very intrigued by Sigma, Phi and Dianna.
DrunkShogun
Member
Yeah I'm team sigma as well. Sigma and phi look like the two members who want to get things done from the get go.
Funyarinpa
Member
#teamQ
Eric is magnificent
Eric is magnificent
Somewhat off topic but if you like Zero Escape's music I would recommend listening to Labyrinthos from Xenosaga 2, also composed by Shinji Hosoe:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STGNIDZAT8s
Sadly this is like the only good Hosoe theme in the game. Man his work in Zero Escape is like waaaaaaaay better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STGNIDZAT8s
Sadly this is like the only good Hosoe theme in the game. Man his work in Zero Escape is like waaaaaaaay better.
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
Ya, I feel like #teamD has the most answers I want/need.
grim-tales
Member
#TeamD
That said Team Q looks interesting
WHO IS PHI?
Wonder who our kid will be? #TeamQ
That said Team Q looks interesting
WHO IS PHI?
Wonder who our kid will be? #TeamQ
Man, I really love how he remixed Unary Game from 999 into Ambidexterity in VLR. The way he just plays with the phrases and fragmentation of the main sequence materials was really fun to listen to.
Probably unimportant, but if their names were in Japanese,
Hikari and Hidari
grim-tales
Member
I must admit I'm not really up on some phrases used these days
What is bae? She's a babe?