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[ryutaro's mama]

Is the appeal of Trump that he is against money in politics? Admittedly I don't know much about him. Aside from his tax plan, the wall, and hate speech.

And his penis.

 

[BennyBlanco]

I don't think its fair to say that anyone who doesn't vote for Hillary hates minorities. Some people have a really bad financial situation, and to them democrats are the ones keeping them from having a better life. They could either vote for someone that will improve their life, or they could vote for someone who improves the lives of others. I'm sure they don't want to make other people's lives worse, but sometimes you don't have any other choice then to vote for the candidate that you believe will help you and your family the most.

I personally don't think that conservative fiscal policies are best, but some people do. Will voting for a republican help their financial situation? Maybe, maybe not. But it doesn't mean that they hate minorities.

You may think that people like Huelen are ignorant or stupid, and you're free to believe that. However, please don't automatically accuse them of being racists who want to ruin America.

Good post.

 

[VendettaRed07]

I don't think its fair to say that anyone who doesn't vote for Hillary hates minorities. Some people have a really bad financial situation, and to them democrats are the ones keeping them from having a better life. They could either vote for someone that will improve their life, or they could vote for someone who improves the lives of others. I'm sure they don't want to make other people's lives worse, but sometimes you don't have any other choice then to vote for the candidate that you believe will help you and your family the most.

I personally don't think that conservative fiscal policies are best, but some people do. Will voting for a republican help their financial situation? Maybe, maybe not. But it doesn't mean that they hate minorities.

You may think that people like Huelen are ignorant or stupid, and you're free to believe that. However, please don't automatically accuse them of being racists who want to ruin America.

No one is saying they are racists who want to ruin America

It's just they are ok with being governed by racists who want to ruin America.

 

[...Scatter...]

I don't think its fair to say that anyone who doesn't vote for Hillary hates minorities. Some people have a really bad financial situation, and to them democrats are the ones keeping them from having a better life. They could either vote for someone that will improve their life, or they could vote for someone who improves the lives of others. I'm sure they don't want to make other people's lives worse, but sometimes you don't have any other choice then to vote for the candidate that you believe will help you and your family the most.

I personally don't think that conservative fiscal policies are best, but some people do. Will voting for a republican help their financial situation? Maybe, maybe not. But it doesn't mean that they hate minorities.

You may think that people like Huelen are ignorant or stupid, and you're free to believe that. However, please don't automatically accuse them of being racists who want to ruin America.

Who made more money during the recession that Bush brought on? Besides Halliburton, Boeing, Lockheed Martin? I never understand this argument. Clinton's 8 years economy was great. Bush's 8 years economy was terrible. Obama's 8 years economy recovered.

 

[ThisGuy]

And his penis.

Ahhh yeah. He says it's no problem. But I dunno, he squints a lot.

 

[Big Baybee]

I don't think its fair to say that anyone who doesn't vote for Hillary hates minorities. Some people have a really bad financial situation, and to them democrats are the ones keeping them from having a better life. They could either vote for someone that will improve their life, or they could vote for someone who improves the lives of others. I'm sure they don't want to make other people's lives worse, but sometimes you don't have any other choice then to vote for the candidate that you believe will help you and your family the most.

I personally don't think that conservative fiscal policies are best, but some people do. Will voting for a republican help their financial situation? Maybe, maybe not. But it doesn't mean that they hate minorities.

You may think that people like Huelen are ignorant or stupid, and you're free to believe that. However, please don't automatically accuse them of being racists who want to ruin America.

How in the hell can you not call anyone who votes for someone being openly fucking racist, well, a racist?

 

[akira28]

The two types I know:

1. Old misogynists

2. Young Bernie-ites who seriously don't understand what 8 years of Bush did to this country.

I like Hillary but dislike Hillary. I remember the good Hillary and the bad Hillary. Like when Hillary was trying to steal delegates she lost fair and square in 2008 because Obama was unqualified and she was so qualified? This isn't to be a retread of her greatest hits, but people have legitimate reasons to think there are other people who would be better as President than her.

But not so much to vote for Trump or abstain. That's a losing move, but *shrug* people gonna rebel, rebel.

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

I don't think its fair to say that anyone who doesn't vote for Hillary hates minorities. Some people have a really bad financial situation, and to them democrats are the ones keeping them from having a better life. They could either vote for someone that will improve their life, or they could vote for someone who improves the lives of others. I'm sure they don't want to make other people's lives worse, but sometimes you don't have any other choice then to vote for the candidate that you believe will help you and your family the most.

I personally don't think that conservative fiscal policies are best, but some people do. Will voting for a republican help their financial situation? Maybe, maybe not. But it doesn't mean that they hate minorities.

You may think that people like Huelen are ignorant or stupid, and you're free to believe that. However, please don't automatically accuse them of being racists who want to ruin America.

Sigh.

If you go from Bernie to Trump; you are what Angelus Errare describes. Please, explain it otherwise.

 

[DarkKyo]

Who says we don't want more? I sure want a fuck more out of our electoral system. I want a lot of Sander's platform to become reality. Universal healthcare? Higher education? Sign me the fuck up.

But not voting doesn't have any utility. It doesn't meaningfully shift the field in the direction you want. It doesn't. You staying home because Bernie isn't the nominee and a possible Cruz election as a result just tells people the country wanted Cruz. What Bernie has done, actively campaigning, that has shifted the field. No future presidential election will be untouched by the way rhetoric and perceptions of liberal voting bases have been adjusted in the last 12 months. Sitting out in November is just grandstanding.

I get what you're saying, and I'll vote for who I'm being told to vote for if I feel like we truly are in danger of getting a Trump presidency. It's just pathetic that this is our modern interpretation of democracy. Vote for X because Y sucks harder. What good is a democracy if I'm shoe-horned into voting for candidates that don't represent my values?

 

[You Are Viewtiful]

I voted Liberal too, and I oscillate between NDP and Liberal depending on who best represents me at the time. The glory of the parliamentary system! And Harper wasn't as bad as any GOPer this election.

I would rather live in Canada under Harper than America under Clinton.

He ran an extremely Islamophobic campaign and used dog-whistle politics. He's practically Trump-lite. Imagine the kind of endorsement of that brand of politics it would be if he won.

 

[Alucrid]

I don't think its fair to say that anyone who doesn't vote for Hillary hates minorities. Some people have a really bad financial situation, and to them democrats are the ones keeping them from having a better life. They could either vote for someone that will improve their life, or they could vote for someone who improves the lives of others. I'm sure they don't want to make other people's lives worse, but sometimes you don't have any other choice then to vote for the candidate that you believe will help you and your family the most.

I personally don't think that conservative fiscal policies are best, but some people do. Will voting for a republican help their financial situation? Maybe, maybe not. But it doesn't mean that they hate minorities.

You may think that people like Huelen are ignorant or stupid, and you're free to believe that. However, please don't automatically accuse them of being racists who want to ruin America.

I would pay more in taxes if that would help to reduce the persecution minorities face in this country and I certainly wouldn't want to pay less at their expense.

 

[IJoel]

1. The lot of you are crying about how you can't vote for a politician who doesn't truly represent you. Boo fucking hoo, minorities, LGBT, and women have had to deal with that for decades. There is a political party that is actively trying to fuck their lives up in so many ways. They never get a politician who that truly represents them but you don't see them saying "Fuck the system lololol, I'll vote republican for the lulz!" They still vote for the closest politican they can find.

You don't worry about that because you're a white male, and because of such the policies the right will enact will affect you much less than the non white groups of America. It's white privilege to be able to vote for a repressive party because you didn't get your way. The rest of us don't have such a luxury. We have to vote for whoever is trying to fuck us over the least. Many upon many Americans stand to loss much with Trump/Cruz in office. They stand to lose insurance via ACA, which probably doesn't affect you because you have a decent paying job that provides adequate insurance. LGBT stand to lose the right to get married, again this doesn't bother/concern you because you're a straight white male, you've been able to get married since this country's inception.

2. With number one stated, it's clear that none of you actually ever gave a fuck about Bernie's platform and what he stands for because if you did then you'd have long realized how selfish and arrogant to vote against what he stands for. Hillary is corporate yes but even Bernie himself has acknowledged on more than one occasion that they both have the same goals in mind in regards to making America a place more tolerable for those who didn't hit the genetic lottery to be born middle class, white, and male. Bernie Sanders himself will vote this election and I can promise you he'll vote for Hillary.

Bernie's policies and platform were never the reason you people were voting for him. You were voting for him because most of you are to put it bluntly...fucking hipsters and Bernie Sanders/Feel the Bernie was the newest fad that you jumped on to show all your twitter/Facebook friends that you're "socially woke" and to pretend that you give a damn about the country or the people. It was an shallow act, and now that Bernie has lost you've dropped the fad and are on to the next one. You people heard the buzzword "anti-establishment" and jumped on the hype train, went to your social networks and blogs and posted links and articles about the sad state of America telling your friends to "wake up" like you were this social justice warrior but the entire thing was a damn act. You never gave a damn about the state of America or how it's people are being treated, and I mean ha why should you? It would barely affect you in the end. You're not poor, you're not LGBT, you're not a minority. At most you'll lose a dollar or two because of tax but hey life is still good.

Then when Trump/Cruz is elected and the put some ridiculously conservative judges on the SCOTUS and rollback all the progress America made, you'll sit in your ivory tower of white privilege and go "If only you people voted for Bernie! we could have avoided this!" Not once realizing that you directly contributed to the shit state of affairs when you decided to pout that your politician didn't get elected.

It's like you people don't understand a thing about politics, politics is all about compromising, even voters have to compromise. I personally would like the next 5 Presidents to be socially progressive minorities but I can't get that, but I am presented a politician who while I don't agree with all of her stances on things, she's the closest thing I've got to my ideal politician, and she's also the one who will fuck over us non white males the least and at the very least protect some of the laws that keep us safe and rollback others that hurt us. And that's the crux, you weren't "added" as a clause to be considered equal or worth protecting. We were and we'd like to see the clauses stay as they are and not eroded or removed completely because a segment of America deems us to be lessers.

But hey, take your ball and pout. That's the privilege granted to you. It must be nice.

This. At best, it's naiveté; that some haven't had enough life experience to know how fucking good they've had it, and how quickly it could go down the drain with someone like Trump or Cruz as president.

What's worse is how.obvious it is that they're acting exactly like the republican obstructionists in congress that want it their way or the highway.

 

[Nickle]

Who made more money during the recession that Bush brought on? Besides Halliburton, Boeing, Lockheed Martin? I never understand this argument. Clinton's 8 years economy was great. Bush's 8 years economy was terrible. Obama's 8 years economy recovered.

I agree with all of this.

Other's don't, and they shouldn't be called monsters just because they do.

I would pay more in taxes if that would help to reduce the persecution minorities face in this country and I certainly wouldn't want to pay less at their expense.

I'd be willing to also, but money really isn't an issue with me at the moment. Some other people couldn't afford it, and I'm not going to hate them because of it.

 

[fade_]

All these people will change their tune when she announces Elizabeth Warren as her VP.

 

[PeskyToaster]

I don't think Hillary is a progressive pick. She's just not regressive. People are awfully dismissive of other people's reasons for voting how they want. The thing about a democracy is that shit won't always go your way. Seems every time one side doesn't get their way it's the fall of the Roman Empire and time to move to Canada.

 

[not psycho]

I find it abhorrent that anyone would strive to keep our choices to just two parties who work to keep it that way for their own mutual benefit.

I don't like the two party system either, but Trump proves that the system is more flexible than you might think. The party doesn't want him, nobody thought he could win, and he's still winning.

There are things like superdelegates that make primaries unfair, but with some tweaks you could have a primary where the public could choose who they wanted.

I don't believe it is justified to say that primaries are completely fixed, and therefore you have no chance to ever support someone you like.

 

[Sami+]

I don't think its fair to say that anyone who doesn't vote for Hillary hates minorities. Some people have a really bad financial situation, and to them democrats are the ones keeping them from having a better life. They could either vote for someone that will improve their life, or they could vote for someone who improves the lives of others. I'm sure they don't want to make other people's lives worse, but sometimes you don't have any other choice then to vote for the candidate that you believe will help you and your family the most.

I personally don't think that conservative fiscal policies are best, but some people do. Will voting for a republican help their financial situation? Maybe, maybe not. But it doesn't mean that they hate minorities.

You may think that people like Huelen are ignorant or stupid, and you're free to believe that. However, please don't automatically accuse them of being racists who want to ruin America.

A Republican vote is a vote supporting institutionalized racism. If you prefer their fiscal and economic policies to such an extent that it outweighs their social stances then more power to you. But know you're still supporting racism.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

I get what you're saying, and I'll vote for who I'm being told to vote for if I feel like we truly are in danger of getting a Trump presidency. It's just pathetic that this is our modern interpretation of democracy. Vote for X because Y sucks harder. What good is a democracy if I'm shoe-horned into voting for candidates that don't represent my values?

It is pathetic, but it's what we have until real, large scale push for change comes and people are affected by the choices made regardless.

All these people will change their tune when she announces Elizabeth Warren as her VP.

That would be nice, but I don't see that happening.

 

[Zocano]

I'm still trying to figure out who is who in this Watchmen analogy

I feel like people missed the point of Rorschach's character in Watchmen.

___

Also, Angelus, your post is fabulous.

 

[pgtl_10]

Reading this thread it amazes me how many people think they are entitled to another person's vote and don't like when people don't follow their beliefs.

It is scary. What's worse is that post claiming that one is racist if people don't accept their beliefs.

Neogaf has replaced religious extremism with political extremism.

 

[Angelus Errare]

All these people will change their tune when she announces Elizabeth Warren as her VP.

Warren doesn't want to be VP and for good reason. She's more useful in her current position than as VP. VP really is just there as a "just in case the President dies".

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

I don't think Hillary is a progressive pick. She's just not regressive. People are awfully dismissive of other people's reasons for voting how they want. The thing about a democracy is that shit won't always go your way. Seems every time one side doesn't get their way it's the fall of the Roman Empire and time to move to Canada.

If I was homosexual or Muslim I think I would try to move to Canada if Trump/Cruz were elected.

We aren't talking about the typical banter there. Those individuals are going to lose rights under a Trump/Cruz presidency.

 

[ryseing]

That shit was designed because "We The People" couldn't be trusted to know what was good for us.

What's a republic?

I'd be fine with going back to state legislature election of senators if only to get people to care about the state legislature.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

What good is a democracy if I'm shoe-horned into voting for candidates that don't represent my values?

The presidential election isn't the be-all/end-all of democracy, though.

There are multiple opportunities for every voter in America to vote for candidates that represent their values on city, congressional district, and state levels.

This makes it a hell of a lot easier to vote for candidates years down the line, as you've done your part to help stock the potential pool of future presidents with people who represent your interests.

When generations of voters (and I think it's correct to say it's generations at this point) only really perk up during presidential elections, and treat them as not much more than another competitive reality show, it shouldn't be a surprise when a reality show host playing by reality show rules makes it way farther than they should.

 

[HylianTom]

Mmm hmm.

 

[POWERSPHERE]

Vote against Trump. That's all you need to do. Don't throw away the only chance you've got to not have Trump as your President. You'll be in the middle of hell within 2 years.

 

[VendettaRed07]

Being ok with Obama being kicked out of the White House by a racist who accused him infront of the entire world of being a secret Kenyan Muslim who was born outside the country and not a legitimate president doesn't make me a racist, it makes me a special snowflake who's above the system.

 

[IrishNinja]

Reading this thread it amazes me how many people think they are entitled to another person's vote and don't like when people don't follow their beliefs.

It is scary. What's worse is that post claiming that one is racist if people don't accept their beliefs..

How in the hell can you not call anyone who votes for someone being openly fucking racist, well, a racist?

i sure hope dude wasn't holding his breath on an answer for that one

When generations of voters (and I think it's correct to say it's generations at this point) only really perk up during presidential elections, and treat them as not much more than another competitive reality show, it shouldn't be a surprise when a reality show host playing by reality show rules makes it way farther than they should.

damn, i always default to a WWE frame of reference (this works really well for the obvious ted dibiase/trump analogy), but that's a pretty interesting way of putting it too

 

[Big Baybee]

Reading this thread it amazes me how many people think they are entitled to another person's vote and don't like when people don't follow their beliefs.

It is scary. What's worse is that post claiming that one is racist if people don't accept their beliefs.

Neogaf has replaced religious extremism with political extremism.

Can you explain to me how going from Bernie to Trump isn't racist? Can you explain how not voting in such a pivotal election with the other parties leading candidate being openly racist doesn't fuck over the minorities whose side you claim to be on?

 

[...Scatter...]

It is pathetic, but it's what we have until real, large scale push for change comes and people are affected by the choices made regardless.

I don't think it's pathetic at all. It's the end game of democracy where people will group together to ensure victory for their grand viewpoint. A multi party system is nothing to brag about. It's not like shit is better in Britain politically. I think there is plenty of nuance between candidates in both parties and that's why we have primaries. We basically vote first for the top two and then have a runoff between those two to get an overall winner. You have to win in the playoffs to get to the SuperBowl.

 

[MIMIC]

It's amazing how many people think Hillary is entitled to everyone's vote. It's a shame she even wasted her time campaigning.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

I mean

http://www.nytimes.com/times-insider/2015/07/30/1973-meet-donald-trump/?_r=0

Nothing about Trump is new, and that he even gets a shot at the chair is pretty damn sad.

I don't think it's pathetic at all. It's the end game of democracy where people will group together to ensure victory for their grand viewpoint. A multi party system is nothing to brag about. It's not like shit is better in Britain politically. I think there is plenty of nuance between candidates in both parties and that's why we have primaries. We basically vote first for the top two and then have a runoff between those two to get an overall winner. You have to win in the playoffs to get to the SuperBowl.

I don't mean the physical system so much as the corruption and power grubbing that have come to define it now.

 

[VendettaRed07]

Mmm hmm.

The Supreme Court doesn't matter because I have feelings

 

[HUELEN10]

Reading this thread it amazes me how many people think they are entitled to another person's vote and don't like when people don't follow their beliefs.

It is scary. What's worse is that post claiming that one is racist if people don't accept their beliefs.

People forget this. But we are human, and thus need to hear words like these...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVZe2qd6xPY

We can admire some aspects of someone and condemn them all at the same time. Feelings and opinions on candidates do not necessarily need to define us. That is actually a great thing about being human, we can be against injustice and admire certain aspects of someone all at the same time.

Like, I can't stand Clinton and won't vote for her, but I do like what she's said on Planned parenthood, I think it is agreeable and sound. Voting for Bernie doesn't make you a commie, voting for Arlington doesn't make you a saint, and voting for Trump doesn't make you a racist; communist views make you a commie, penance makes you a saint, and racism and bigotry and fear and close-mindedness makes you a racist, not voting.

We need to let go of this fear, assumption and hate. Hell, I was attacked by a minority in this thread when I myself am a minority, simply because our viewpoints weren't exact. We can't keep doing this as a nation, yet it still happens.

 

[TyphoonStruggle]

Man, Hillary voters whine a lot.

 

[Angelus Errare]

Reading this thread it amazes me how many people think they are entitled to another person's vote and don't like when people don't follow their beliefs.

We talkin about Bernie Sanders supporters now?

 

[GameAddict411]

Because they are bit salty and butthurt that their delusional nominee won't win. He is promising so many things that will never happen, and is so extremely left leaning that apparently he going to tax you to death. America is not ready for that anytime soon, and certainly not in the current political climate. Polls are showing it, and Clinton is far ahead of him he can't even see the tail lights anymore.

I think people are too emotional to realise what they are about to do if they don't vote. Most would come around when the general election hits. But whoever doesn't vote because Sanders doesn't win is just being childish.

 

[pgtl_10]

People forget this. But we are human, and thus need to hear words like these...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVZe2qd6xPY

We can admire some aspects of someone and condemn them all at the same time. Feelings and opinions on candidates do not necessarily need to define us. That is actually a great thing about being human, we can be against injustice and admire certain aspects of someone all at the same time.

Like, I can't stand Clinton and won't vote for her, but I do like what she's said on Planned parenthood, I think it is agreeable and sound. Voting for Bernie doesn't make you a commie, voting for Arlington doesn't make you a saint, and voting for Trump doesn't make you a racist; communist views make you a commie, penance makes you a saint, and racism and bigotry and fear and close-mindedness makes you a racist, not voting.

Agreed but this thread is scary.

 

[Big Baybee]

Man, Hillary voters whine a lot.

Bernie supporters sure do crazy a lot.

 

[Dai101]

Mmm hmm.

Yup.

 

[Azzanadra]

We talkin about Bernie Sanders supporters now?

Some of them do it, sure. Though ever since the first Super Tuesday, there has been a lot more from Hillary Supporters. "If you don't vote Clinton you are evil and racist and hate minorities and not real Liberal grumbelgrumble."

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

It's amazing how many people think Hillary is entitled to everyone's vote. It's a shame she even wasted her time campaigning.

We don't think she is fucking entitled, we are having a primary...voting for Bernie (yay!)

If he doesn't win and my choice is Hillary v. Trump, yah I'm voting Hillary. It isn't that complex.

People forget this. But we are human, and thus need to hear words like these...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVZe2qd6xPY

We can admire some aspects of someone and condemn them all at the same time. Feelings and opinions on candidates do not necessarily need to define us. That is actually a great thing about being human, we can be against injustice and admire certain aspects of someone all at the same time.

Like, I can't stand Clinton and won't vote for her, but I do like what she's said on Planned parenthood, I think it is agreeable and sound. Voting for Bernie doesn't make you a commie, voting for Arlington doesn't make you a saint, and voting for Trump doesn't make you a racist; communist views make you a commie, penance makes you a saint, and racism and bigotry and fear and close-mindedness makes you a racist, not voting.

We need to let go of this fear, assumption and hate. Hell, I was attacked by a minority in this thread when I myself am a minority, simply because our viewpoints weren't exact. We can't keep doing this as a nation, yet it still happens.

Wut. What parts of Trump do you admire that would get you to vote for him over Hillary?

Still waiting for you to explain how you went from Bernie to Trump.

 

[VendettaRed07]

It's amazing how many people think Hillary is entitled to everyone's vote. It's a shame she even wasted her time campaigning.

Yeah, I don't get why she's even bothered. She's only saying the exact same things Trump has been saying. What's the point ?

 

[...Scatter...]

Man, Hillary voters whine a lot.

Ok. But we still need your vote in the general for a healthy America. Thank you in advance!

 

[Mushroomer25]

You're missing what I'm getting at. It's their vote. If they don't see anything about Hillary they like/support (and this has nothing to do with Bernie's policies being similar to Hillary), why should they vote/support her? I'm not even talking about Trump or voting for him over Hillary. If they don't see either candidate worth supporting, why should they go and vote and voice "support" for either? Just because you tell them to?

No, because they've spent months preaching Sanders and his associated values. It's less about doing what somebody else says, but rather following through on your own statements.

 

[ugaboga232]

We talkin about Bernie Sanders supporters now?

We are talking about humans, no group of voters is magically perfect or magically imperfect. Figure out why people are doing the non-obvious (to you) choice (combination of selfishness, accelerationism, and misinformation based on emotion I wager), and try to use arguments that contend with those reasons. Research shows that telling people, other people have it worse generally makes them feel worse.


I also think hillary is the smart choice over trump. Here is a good semi-related article for all to read http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/30/i-can-tolerate-anything-except-the-outgroup/

 

[akira28]

severe Love Revolution spill-over, I think.

 

[IrishNinja]

Man, Hillary voters whine a lot.

wait till you hear those babies under a trump presidency! oh man, buncha crybabies

Agreed but this thread is scary.

i find stuff like ferguson & the chance at more scalias at the bench actually scary, but different strokes!

We don't think she is fucking entitled, we are having a primary...voting for Bernie (yay!)

If he doesn't win and my choice is Hillary v. Trump, yah I'm voting Hillary. It isn't that complex.

yet here we are

 

[Angelus Errare]

Honestly I think the argument of "I can't vote Hillary because her policies are too centralist/compromising"...as if Bernie would be able to pass ANY of his policies without compromise. It's like they don't understand how checks and balances work or who controls the House and Senate, or worse they've deluded themselves into thinking Republicans would just step aside and let Bernie pass all his policies with no push back because they're feelin the bern and the revolution is not being televised.

Meanwhile back in the real world, in order for Bernie to pass any of his policies he's going to have to water them down severely and give up on others completely which means in the end...his polices would damn near be clones of Hillary's. What's even more sad is how many people talk about how Obama promised change and nothing happened but if you want real progress/change vote Bernie like...uh he's going to run into the same issue as every other President does...having to compromise.

It's like the entire concept of compromise is foreign to many of these people.

 

[Spoiled Milk]

So, why do some people here & overall feel like you have the right to tell someone else who they should vote for? You get 1 vote during primary & GE, they get 1 vote and I get 1 vote. Each person should be making up their own mind, and should be voting for who they think is best for them self, their family and the country/world. If they want to write-in Sanders, vote for Trump or 3rd party or Hillary, it should be up to them.

If a friend was telling me I was wasting my Michigan primary vote by voting for Hillary, I would fight back, maybe tell them something not nice & ignore them for a while. I personally do not trust Sanders and would not vote for him if he was the Dem nom.

I do wish everyone would go out & vote, regardless if it is for Hillary.

Imagine you are in a room with 10 people. You have all decided that you are going to come up with a policy for dealing with X. X is a problem that affects everyone. Of course, some people do not think it is a problem at all, and they're here to tell you so! So you all sit down and begin to deliberate.

You and another person are of the opinion that X can be solved with heavy state funding and you are enamored with the idea. You could not possibly support something else! It is the right solution.

But 5 other people believe that it would be way too hard to get the state to fund the anti-X. They think it'd be easier to use local resources and get community funding. The plan is way more attainable, in their opinion.

What a horrid mess! Sure, they agree with you on solving the problem, but they're obviously dead wrong about it. You could never see yourself supporting them.

Oh, but there's more. The remaining 6 have convinced themselves that X is either not a problem or is just completely outside of the community's control. You normally respect other people's opinions, but you think these men might be time travellers from the 1600s.

Yes, none of these people have any idea how wrong they are! So you stick to your guns. Your bestie and yourself vote the way you believe because this is a country.

The vote is 2 for plan fed, 5 for plan local, and 6 for the DoNothings. They win! Huzzah, democracy. :^]