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[Cuburt]

Can't wait for the Cinemascore thread title.

'It's not a D. On my planet it means NOPE'

lol Bravo

 

[- J - D -]

the only problem with RT scores is that if 3 out of 6 friends tell me to go see a movie at the theatre, I would

but If it has lower than a 50 percent on RT, that'd have a more negative effect

some great, great movies line True Romance or Speed Racer (fuck you) have low scores

but

none of this matters cause its fuckin 35 percent lol

Zack Snyder is no Tony Scott or The Wachowskis.

 

[Shaanyboi]

Snyder is the antithesis of Singer when it comes to their respective superhero franchises.

Snyder:
Movies make for amazing trailers
Great visuals and overdone but beautiful fight scenes
Comic accurate aesthetic
Horrible storytelling
Horrible pacing

Singer:
Movies make for poorly done trailers, not so hype
Okay visuals, limited fight scenes
Not comic accurate at all for the most part, aesthetically
Great storytelling
Great pacing

Superman Returns was not great storytelling.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

I didn't hate Batman Forever.

It was Batman and Robin that made me hate Joel Schumacher.

 

[element]

Curious if something is happening with Snyder with him talking about a new 300 movie and him wanting to do The Fountainhead. Makes me think that he and WB have already have had talks to steps away from the series.

 

[Iceternal]

What seems to be the most infuriating about the movie is that it gets the characters completely wrong, like the opposite of their comic book essence ...

Superman

Spoiler

is a condescending dick and questions his own heroic actions ? WTH ? he's supposed to be a adamant defender of justice , not a brooding asshole... Why picture his actions as irresponsible and dangerous ? Isn't Superman the epitome of a super hero, saving lives ?

And Batman

Spoiler

KILLS ? Holy fuck ?! It's the worst thing they could have done. Lol MCU Daredevil is a better Batman than this one ...

 

[Salsa]

Zack Snyder is no Tony Scott or The Wachowskis.

the wachowski sisters are gettin Snyder-ific

but yeah it was to make a point on RT is all

 

[SteveO409]

http://comicbook.com/2016/02/25/exclusive-regal-theaters-announces-batman-v-superman-ultimate-ti/

going to feel so bad for the people who bought this...

 

[roflwaffles]

Superman Returns was not great storytelling.

I meant for his X-Men films.

 

[flaxknuckles]

Wait, what? We can watch it on Vudu beginning Friday?

No. I'm just gonna wait. My hype has been shattered.

 

[Frozenprince]

Bruh that edit.

Top notch.

 

[Das Ace]

Hooooly shit.

Each scene is ponderous in its attempt to be meaningful and iconic, rendering every moment in the movie a phony pose.

I don't get this. 300 is great because it's about awesome dudes doing awesome things, awesomely. Watchmen is great for the same reason, and the fact that it got to piggy back off the greatest graphic novel ever written. I'd be satisfied with Batman and Sups just beating the shit out of each other.

Were they scared of following up Nolan's heavy-handed themes? :/

 

[kurahador]

Snyder is the antithesis of Singer when it comes to their respective superhero franchises.

Snyder:
Movies make for amazing trailers
Great visuals and overdone but beautiful fight scenes
Comic accurate aesthetic
Horrible storytelling
Horrible pacing

Singer:
Movies make for poorly done trailers, not so hype
Okay visuals, limited fight scenes
Not comic accurate at all for the most part, aesthetically
Great storytelling
Great pacing

 

[Shaanyboi]

I meant for his X-Men films.

We'll see how Apocalypse goes, costume complaints aside.

 

[WhiteRabbitEXE]

Iron Man 3 sucked because there isn't really any Iron Man in it.

There's like 40 Iron Men in it.

 

[Sölf]

This thread just managed nearly 50 pages while I was asleep. Is GAF in the acceptance stage yet?

 

[Jack Remington]

There's like 40 Iron Men in it.

This is actually part of what made it suck. One Iron Man can hold his own against Thor, the God of Thunder, in a fistfight. 40 Iron Men are getting cut to pieces by dudes who can make their hands get really hot. It's basic conservation of ninjutsu, but applied to the hero in this case.

the only problem with RT scores is that if 3 out of 6 friends tell me to go see a movie at the theatre, I probably would

but If it has lower than a 50 percent on RT, whih is statistically a similar concept, unless im very interested beforehand I wouldnt

some great, great movies like True Romance or Speed Racer (fuck you) have low scores

but

none of this matters cause its fuckin 35 percent lol

True Romance is at 92%, breh.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/true_romance/?search=True%20Romance

 

[unpopularblargh]

the wachowski sisters are gettin Snyder-ific

but yeah it was to make a point on RT is all

IMO they redeemed themselves with Sense8. Still have no intention of watching Jupiter.

 

[Alandrus Sun]

 

[Shadow Ranger]

I think my brother is gonna be devastated with these scores...meanwhile I'm just laughing at how low they actually are.

Is the soundtrack at least good though?

 

[BudokaiMR2]

I don't blame you for blocking out the worst scene in MCU history.

Worst quality video to match my feelings about this scene.

Only thing that scene really did right is convey that Tony is in a downward spiral and his drinking is only accelerating that.

Okay, yeah that is starting to come back.Thanks, I guess? =/
Why in the hell was he in a downward spiral again? Hostile takeover of his Stark Industries by Hammer or something?

I guess that was supposed to be a take on the Demon in a Bottle storyline but they just botched it....

 

[Liamario]

Bruh that edit.

Top notch.

I accept nothing less than flawed perfection

 

[StopMakingSense]

IMO they redeemed themselves with Sense8. Still have no intention of watching Jupiter.

Jupiter is worth watching at some point. It's the definition of hot mess.

 

[Salsa]

True Romance is at 92%, breh.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/true_romance/?search=True%20Romance

those reviews newer?

what the hell am I thinking of then

 

[sol_bad]

Can we please add a rule to NeoGAF?
No Rotten Tomatoes review percentages in titles????

I wanted to see this film with no tampered expectations, this is obviously impossible now.

 

[- J - D -]

the wachowski sisters are gettin Snyder-ific

but yeah it was to make a point on RT is all

Yeah I gotcha. What I meant was that at this point people can pretty much expect what to expect from a Zack Snyder film. The Wachowskis or Tony Scott have at least put out films that vary wildly at both ends of the spectrum of quality, which keeps people guessing. I would've said that people who like Zack Snyder movies obviously don't care about RT scores, but a movie with Batman in it (and Superman too I guess) might not have that same guarantee, due to how huge it is. But I guess time and box office results will tell.

 

[Frozenprince]

To an extent I understand the "it's just 'critics' whatever they don't speak for everybody".

But at the end of the day, the people who's JOB IT IS is to review and watch films critically, RT's aggregate right now is almost 60 critics, and sitting at 36% with a 5.4 average rating.

You kinda can't argue "It's good because objective thought" because that's dumb. In that case I think this road full of potholes is fine because I don't so much mind them. And obviously, the road is therefor fine because I think it is.

 

[neorej]

I think my brother is gonna be devastated with these scores...meanwhile I'm just laughing at how low they actually are.

Is the soundtrack at least good though?

It's Junkie XL. Of course it's good.

 

[Slayer-33]

This thread is the most delicious thread on gaf atm.

 

[Divvy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoDGX0b5lzo

Chris Stuckmann review

 

[Staf]

Got a question for those who have seen the movie. Do they actually call superman 'superman' or wonder woman ' wonder woman'? Or is it like in MOS where it almost seemed like they were ashamed of saying that name and worked around it?

 

[Lightning Count]

It will probably still rake in a ton of money. If anything it would be good for this to tank badly and slow down the superhero movie trend.

 

[Slaythe]

Gonna go see it now. Please have mercy.


Wish me luck guys.

 

[Salsa]

Got a question for those who have seen the movie. Do they actually call superman 'superman' or wonder woman ' wonder woman'? Or is it like in MOS where it almost seemed like they were ashamed of saying that name.

"woah! amazon woman hat was Wonderful!"

"wait... say that again"

 

[Shredderi]

Oh shit. I was really really hoping for this one to be really good because the subject matter is pretty dope and deserves a good movie. Guess I'll just stick to my plan and see for myself since I have free tickets anyway.

 

[KingBroly]

Man...I was close on the RT rating in the prediction thread.

It seems like they got everything wrong while also trying to rush it to get that Avengers money.

 

[Oddduck]

Man some of these critics are really taking shots at Jesse Eisenberg's performance as Lex Luthor.

Telegraph

Eisenberg gives a catastrophic performance here, all itchy and spasmodic, and built on mumbled rants about Copernicus and Nietzsche.

Metro

Jesse Eisenberg’s Lex Luthor — reconfigured as a coked-up ham who acts like a demented children’s show host or, worse, Johnny Depp — wants to get them together so that…well, it’s not clear.

Sydney Morning Herald

Eisenberg is the gamble that doesn't pay off, although you can see what the filmmakers had in mind: he doesn't directly imitate Ledger's Joker, but his manic gestures and agitated, squeaky delivery are in the same general vein. The trouble is that Eisenberg, unlike Ledger, isn't a transformative actor, and struggles to register as anything more menacing than a petulant kid.

Hollywood Reporter

But the villain here, Jesse Eisenberg's Lex Luthor, is so intensely annoying that, very early on, you wish Batman and Superman would just patch up their differences and join forces to put the squirrelly rascal out of his, and our, misery.

Screencrush

If nothing else, Batman v Superman makes you excited to see Gadot take center stage in her solo Wonder Woman movie, due out in theaters next summer. (It definitely doesn’t make you hope Lex Luthor gets his own spinoff; Eisenberg’s broad, Schumacheresque performance belongs to an earlier, goofier era of superhero movies.

Entertainment Weekly

It’s overstuffed, confusing, and seriously crippled by Eisenberg’s over-the-top performance. As the megalomaniac tech mogul hell-bent on bringing our heroes to their knees, the actor is a grating cartoon of manic motormouth tics. He might as well be wearing a buzzing neon sign around his neck that says “Crazy Villain.”

Birthmoviesdeath

Eisenberg is next-level terrible as Luthor. He’s a twitchy lunatic pretty much from the start, and if there are any events in the story that lead to him escalating his plot to the point of creating an unstoppable monster I missed them. Eisenberg delivers every line like he thinks the villains on the 1966 Batman show were too nuanced. His face is a collection of tics, and his eyes burn with the power of a thousand ham actors. Not only is his performance unmodulated, he’s generally irritating at all times - while I don’t understand why Lex Luthor wants to unleash an unstoppable monster on the world, I do fully understand why Batman wants to fucking hit him.

Irish Times

One rather wishes that Jesse Eisenberg had slightly less to do as a younger, hairier Lex Luthor (the film could have been titled: How Luthor got Shorn). Offering us his first properly bad performance, Eisenberg twitches, pauses and jabbers like a ham doing a one-man show above a pub about a teenage lunatic who thinks he’s Lex Luthor.

IGN

Jesse Eisenberg's performance as Lex Luthor, though, was inconsistent. His worldview and motives are quite interesting and heady, with a more theological bent than moviegoers are accustomed to seeing Lex have. But Eisenberg’s performance can be too obvious at times; his Lex is crazy, clearly suffering from a psychological disorder rather than just being greedy, evil, or driven by ego. That choice makes his Lex a bit too tic-y and manic at times, but you certainly buy he’s a genius with a deep disdain for what Superman represents.

 

[jelly]

Still have hope for Suicide Squad which looks fun. Batman and Wonder Women could be a pallet cleanser too.

Don't know how they'll salvage Justice League if there are starting it soon unless it's nothing like BvS and Snyder is given the boot. Maybe the billions BvS makes won't put WB off and they'll hope for the best.

 

[CaviarMeths]

Okay, yeah that is starting to come back.Thanks, I guess? =/
Why in the hell was he in a downward spiral again? Hostile takeover of his Stark Industries by Hammer or something?

I guess that was supposed to be a take on the Demon in a Bottle storyline but they just botched it....

He was dying. The alloy he used in the arc reactor in his chest was toxic and slowly killing him. The bigger subplot of the movie is him dealing with dying very, very poorly, drinking, and ruining all of his relationships. Then Nick Fury shows up and does his "Hey guys! Remember to check out The Avengers coming Summer 2012!" bit as well as drop some fortune cookie wisdom on Tony, inspiring him to fix his own problem in time for the 3rd act.

Like, there's some good in there, but that party scene was just the worst.

 

[Discotheque]

funny that they mention johnny depp as a criticism, i think he would have crushed it as lex in burton's superman back in the day.

dude showed in black mass that a real menacing villain role is easy for him

 

[Bearthgar]

Snyder is the antithesis of Singer when it comes to their respective superhero franchises.

Snyder:
Movies make for amazing trailers
Great visuals and overdone but beautiful fight scenes
Comic accurate aesthetic
Horrible storytelling
Horrible pacing
Everyone thinks his movies will be good beforehand despite a bad track record

Singer:
Movies make for poorly done trailers, not so hype
Okay visuals, limited fight scenes
Not comic accurate at all for the most part, aesthetically
Great storytelling
Great pacing
Everyone thinks his movies will be bad beforehand despite having a decent track record (a great one when it comes to X-Men though).

I dig it

 

[ArtHands]

I think if we give it enough time, it may get a higher percentage than MCU's lowest film

 

[PayOffWizard]

At the start of the year i did not see this flopping and deadpool breaking records.

What happened?!

Edit: well i guess it will probably still do well at the boxoffice, but more of a critical flop.

 

[ponpo]

Man some of these critics are really taking shots at Jesse Eisenberg's performance as Lex Luthor.

From the trailer, he reminded me of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ViOAUNuq58

 

[KingBroly]

At the start of the year i did not see this flopping and deadpool breaking records.

What happened?!

They jammed too much crap into it, got Batman, Superman and Lex Luthor wrong (Probably WW as well) and...probably 8 other things as well.

 

[Beren the Empty-Handed]

I think MoS made it clear that Snyder does not like Superman.

Unfortunately, I don't think we will ever see this kind of Superman with Snyder at the helm.

I was hoping it was a fluke, or a misunderstanding... I was being too optimistic I guess.

 

[spindoctor]

Can we please add a rule to NeoGAF?
No Rotten Tomatoes review percentages in titles????

I wanted to see this film with no tampered expectations, this is obviously impossible now.

The movie would still suck regardless of whether or not you knew it so...

 

[CaviarMeths]

From the trailer, he reminded me of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ViOAUNuq58

I made it less than a minute.

"I find the intellectual intelligence of others to be far less superior to that of my own."

Where's my red pen...

 

[Salsa]

At the start of the year i did not see this flopping and deadpool breaking records.

What happened?!

you didnt look at the people behind them being on one hand Hack Snyder and in the other an actor lobbying for the role for more than a decade and gettin the right people together to make it happen

every single sign was there. for the most part it always is

people just dont want to see them cause they want shit that deserved to be good, to be good

but thats not how it works

 

[Ben Morales]

I wonder if Eisenberg's Lex was written to be manic from the beginning. He was so jarring in the trailer.