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Batman v. Superman RT Thread: like standing ovations in rain

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Mrbob

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You guys have some good points about wb wanting a connected universe now but I feel the damage done here will hurt more long term. I'm in that casual market wb wants to attract but if Batman v Superman is garbage i won't care about their ancillary franchise movies. Back to being a Batman studio.
 
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Chariot

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Mrbob said:
I don't understand why DC had to rush into Batman vs Superman. They could have set this up through the next couple of years in various movies.
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The superhero bubble could burst at any moment and Marvel has absolute dominance in that area. Warner wants a bit of that cake before everything is eaten. So they rushed, trying to get straight to the big team up. But apparently it's not working out well. They can't make up all the time Marvel had to develop and maintain it's cinematic universe, no matter how much money they throw.

Their only chance are new angles, like Suicide Squad.
najehe said:
Despite being ~40% on RT, this movie is still going to put a lot of butts in the seats worldwide.
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Sure. So will Suicide Squad since it's something new in the current superhero era. But the movies after? If people disliked BvS, will they really go to see the other hero movies? Or will the majority just stay with the MCU. After all, a lot of people have limited time, money and would rather stay in one particular universe.
 
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Charcoal

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I enjoyed MoS on the big screen and I'm still really excited for this, but here's hoping that the films bad reception will get us a new director. I want to have hope for Justice League.
 
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PBY

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Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku! said:
moviebob going in
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I could more folks, I really could, but by now I think you get the point: BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE is a travesty wrapped in a disaster inside an obscenity. It is steaming, rotten, sunbaked, oozing shit. As a critic, I can’t conceive that we’ll see a worse major studio movie this year. As an observer of the film business, I’m perversely fascinated to know what happens next now that one of the biggest studios on the planet has built multiple Summers worth of release slates around follow-ups to what’s turned out to be a Hindenbergian catastrophe. And as a comic book fan I am… suddenly feeling very, very old. And tired. I imagine it won’t last, but… for now… “tired” would indeed be the operative fucking word.


Wow.
 
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Dash_Riprock

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SimleuqiR said:
An indefinite delay is what it will deserve.
They should let people forget all DC the movies of the past 7-8 years. Wait until 2020 to even start talking about it.
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Time and again WB has shown itself not only to be greedy (more so than most studios), but also impatient:

MoS was polarizing and its BO was also mediocre at best. Instead of taking a step back and seeing what needed to be fixed, WB doubled down, cramming a lot into the next film and keeping the same talent behind the camera except for Goyer, who, if the RT score is any indication, wasn't the main problem to begin with.

WB doesn't want to wait for 2 or 3 good solo films with which to build good will from the audience and make them interested in a crossover. No, they want that $1 Billion+ Avengers money NOW, even if that means releasing a sequel to a polarizing film and doing NOTHING to address the criticisms.

I would like to say WB will learn their lesson from this, but no, they'll probably Triple Down and keep Snyder.
 
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Sadist

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Garlador said:
DEADPOOL just outgrossed Man of Steel's domestic gross. DEADPOOL.

I think WB really just doesn't understand what they're doing anymore. They screw up on things like Green Lantern and Catwoman and Jonah Hex and, in their panic, they see that Batman is their one and only sure-fire bet so they built an entire universe in the tone of Batman... Only DARKER and EDGIER!
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Deadpool did?

Awesome.
 
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Pai Pai Master

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Mrbob said:
I've heard this before but I dont understand the reasoning. Why does DC need to catch up with Marvel? Separate universes you would think they could be on their own time table.
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Look at that bump that Iron Man got after Avengers. Iron Man, who was a fucking c-lister at best in the public eye before this whole MCU business. And Superman couldn't touch him in that respect.

Various reasons WB could have wanted to push for an active Justice League ASAP, but I'm sure part of it was to hopefully get similar results for their solo projects, and maybe get audiences more familiar with their lesser known properties and hope for a GOTG or Ant-Man like success.
 
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DrGonzo615

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Garlador said:
DEADPOOL just outgrossed Man of Steel's domestic gross. DEADPOOL.

I think WB really just doesn't understand what they're doing anymore. They screw up on things like Green Lantern and Catwoman and Jonah Hex and, in their panic, they see that Batman is their one and only sure-fire bet so they built an entire universe in the tone of Batman... Only DARKER and EDGIER!
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They just dont seem to be very concerned about the talent behind the camera. Ill be nice and say that Snyder makes 'OK' movies...not great ones.

I liked Watchment but its still way over the top visually
 
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Jarmel

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PBY said:
I could more folks, I really could, but by now I think you get the point: BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE is a travesty wrapped in a disaster inside an obscenity. It is steaming, rotten, sunbaked, oozing shit. As a critic, I can’t conceive that we’ll see a worse major studio movie this year. As an observer of the film business, I’m perversely fascinated to know what happens next now that one of the biggest studios on the planet has built multiple Summers worth of release slates around follow-ups to what’s turned out to be a Hindenbergian catastrophe. And as a comic book fan I am… suddenly feeling very, very old. And tired. I imagine it won’t last, but… for now… “tired” would indeed be the operative fucking word.


Wow.
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That level of vitriol...

I can't imagine it's that bad.
 
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Tabby

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Charcoal said:
I enjoyed MoS on the big screen and I'm still really excited for this, but here's hoping that the films bad reception will get us a new director. I want to have hope for Justice League.
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I'd love to see George Miller take over but Justice League begins shooting in early April, would they change plans so late?
 
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Liamario

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PBY said:
I could more folks, I really could, but by now I think you get the point: BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE is a travesty wrapped in a disaster inside an obscenity. It is steaming, rotten, sunbaked, oozing shit. As a critic, I can’t conceive that we’ll see a worse major studio movie this year. As an observer of the film business, I’m perversely fascinated to know what happens next now that one of the biggest studios on the planet has built multiple Summers worth of release slates around follow-ups to what’s turned out to be a Hindenbergian catastrophe. And as a comic book fan I am… suddenly feeling very, very old. And tired. I imagine it won’t last, but… for now… “tired” would indeed be the operative fucking word.


Wow.
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That's complete and utter hyperbole. Clearly the movie seems to be a disappointment, but he's making it out that it's going to bring down the whole film industry.
 
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Baron von Loathsome

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Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku! said:
moviebob going in
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This is gonna be fun and/or painful to read.

EDIT: Painful, really painful. I thought MovieBob could write better than this.

Liamario said:
That's complete and utter hyperbole. Clearly the movie seems to be a disappointment, but he's making it out that it's going to bring down the whole film industry.
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MovieBob does that with every adaptation of his favorite childhood things that he doesn't like.
 
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Sephzilla

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PBY said:
I could more folks, I really could, but by now I think you get the point: BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE is a travesty wrapped in a disaster inside an obscenity. It is steaming, rotten, sunbaked, oozing shit. As a critic, I can’t conceive that we’ll see a worse major studio movie this year. As an observer of the film business, I’m perversely fascinated to know what happens next now that one of the biggest studios on the planet has built multiple Summers worth of release slates around follow-ups to what’s turned out to be a Hindenbergian catastrophe. And as a comic book fan I am… suddenly feeling very, very old. And tired. I imagine it won’t last, but… for now… “tired” would indeed be the operative fucking word.


Wow.
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I can't believe it's that bad of a movie
 
The Hermit

The Hermit

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E the Shaggy said:
I've had time to sleep on it after seeing it last night and I just hate it more. This movie, if Man of Steel didn't do it already, will make you vehemently HATE Superman.

Movie spoilers:

At the beginning of the movie, following the horrific retelling of the events of Man of Steel from Bruce Wayne's perspective which is like 20 9/11s from the ground view, we're taken to Lois Lane in the desert, as shes captured by dudes with guns. Her photographer, who you think might be Jimmy Olsen, has his camera taken and is then shot violently in the head, no lie.

Lois is taken underground, Superman swoops in to save the day. How? By flying at the dude holding Lois at lightspeed and slamming him through about ten brick walls. There's absolute NO WAY that dude isn't paste.

In a later scene, Superman is standing in front of the senate and a man who lost his legs during Man of Steel's finale is sitting in the courtroom, Lex has strapped him with a bomb to detonate to make Superman look bad. Clark hears the click of the detonator, looks at the guy, and just lets the bomb go off. You see the fire just consume hundreds of people as Superman just stands there looking sad.

I can't believe people will take their kids to see this.
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holy shit

no wonder there is an unrated version.
good lord

Pai Pai Master said:
Less afraid of what he's gonna look like, and more afraid of how Snyder will fuck up his moral compass
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that's what meant! Batman and Superman are fucked beyond recognition, and with the amazing TV rendition this new "Barry Allen" will be much more painful to watch
 
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King Gilga

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I mean, I feel like some of these reviews are taking to too far, starting to reek of bandwagoning and hyperbole.

jon bones said:
what lies? if you're a DC fan you should be watching Supergirl, The Flash, Arrow & Legends of Tomorrow... it's all so good.
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I mean all those shows combined don't even deserve to lick DareDevil's shoes...

But yeah, first two seasons of arrow, and the first season of flash are good dumb fun, Legends is alright so far too.

Supergirl was straight trash though, don't know why anybody would recommend someone watch that unless you hated them.
 
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LSauchelli

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Chariot said:
The superhero bubble could burst at any moment and Marvel has absolute dominance in that area. Warner wants a bit of that cake before everything is eaten. So they rushed, trying to get straight to the big team up. But apparently it's not working out well. They can't make up all the time Marvel had to develop and maintain it's cinematic universe, no matter how much money they throw.

Their only chance are new angles, like Suicide Squad.
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I don't think this movie was really rushed? It was years in the making. Also, the whole 'they should make solo movies before they go on the big crossover movie' doesn't make much sense in a world where X-men was a hit on the last decade and the Justice League cartoon made it work perfectly fine in its first couple of episodes.
 
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shortsFortallPeople

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Garlador said:
DEADPOOL just outgrossed Man of Steel's domestic gross. DEADPOOL.

I think WB really just doesn't understand what they're doing anymore. They screw up on things like Green Lantern and Catwoman and Jonah Hex and, in their panic, they see that Batman is their one and only sure-fire bet so they built an entire universe in the tone of Batman... Only DARKER and EDGIER!
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They had Nolan help out with the DCU initially, someone who made gritty batman films, and then he selected Snyder, who made gritty slowmo action films.

I'm not saying this is nolan's fault entirely as i would've put snyder aside after the lukewarm critical and commercial reception to MoS but Nolan deserves to have a little bit of this blood on his hands, too.
 
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TS-08

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najehe said:
Despite being ~40% on RT, this movie is still going to put a lot of butts in the seats worldwide.
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This was always going to be a success, but poor critical reception can hurt the cinematic universe long term, assuming the word of mouth isn't hugely favorable. A movie like Suicide Squad depends much more on positive critical reception and a strong reputation for DC movies. So the critics' response is important even if it only has a small effect on BvS in terms of its legs.
 
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hamchan

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najehe said:
Despite being ~40% on RT, this movie is still going to put a lot of butts in the seats worldwide.
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Even I'm going to watch it and I know this movie has been rated badly. First for the novelty of actually seeing a Batman vs Superman fight on the big screen and secondly for the curiosity of how badly could actually screwed this up.
 
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Ahasverus

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PBY said:
I could more folks, I really could, but by now I think you get the point: BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE is a travesty wrapped in a disaster inside an obscenity. It is steaming, rotten, sunbaked, oozing shit. As a critic, I can’t conceive that we’ll see a worse major studio movie this year. As an observer of the film business, I’m perversely fascinated to know what happens next now that one of the biggest studios on the planet has built multiple Summers worth of release slates around follow-ups to what’s turned out to be a Hindenbergian catastrophe. And as a comic book fan I am… suddenly feeling very, very old. And tired. I imagine it won’t last, but… for now… “tired” would indeed be the operative fucking word.


Wow.
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No hyperbole here, no sir.
 
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MegaManTrigger

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ItsThatAsianBoy said:
I'd love to see George Miller take over but Justice League begins shooting in early April, would they change plans so late?
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Warners once killed off JLA despite having production sets, costume, and everything prepared.

I won't be surprised if JL is shelved or delayed if WB wants to kill the creative team.
 
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CosmicGroinPull

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Topher said:
Nah, I disagree. I enjoyed TDK trilogy immensely -- I enjoyed it for what it was, but I'm ready for a more fantastical world. I'm not looking for a grounded explanation for every silly comic book quirk. As much as I enjoyed Nolan's movies, it did seem like it was at times apologizing for being a comic book movie.
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But it seems this movie could use a trademark batnolan ending though - profound narration over a gradually rising orchestral soundtrack, culminating in a final, awesome shot for the movie that leaves the audience with much positive feelings and anticipation for more. In this case, maybe it could be Batfleck in a small cafe in Italy who bumps into various justice league members and they all give small nods to each other. Then someone 'drops in' from the sky and says 'sorry i'm late', but we dont see his face and the film ends there. Eh? Eh?
 
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Sephzilla

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E the Shaggy said:
I've had time to sleep on it after seeing it last night and I just hate it more. This movie, if Man of Steel didn't do it already, will make you vehemently HATE Superman.

Movie spoilers:

At the beginning of the movie, following the horrific retelling of the events of Man of Steel from Bruce Wayne's perspective which is like 20 9/11s from the ground view, we're taken to Lois Lane in the desert, as shes captured by dudes with guns. Her photographer, who you think might be Jimmy Olsen, has his camera taken and is then shot violently in the head, no lie.

Lois is taken underground, Superman swoops in to save the day. How? By flying at the dude holding Lois at lightspeed and slamming him through about ten brick walls. There's absolute NO WAY that dude isn't paste.

In a later scene, Superman is standing in front of the senate and a man who lost his legs during Man of Steel's finale is sitting in the courtroom, Lex has strapped him with a bomb to detonate to make Superman look bad. Clark hears the click of the detonator, looks at the guy, and just lets the bomb go off. You see the fire just consume hundreds of people as Superman just stands there looking sad.

I can't believe people will take their kids to see this.
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I refuse to believe this is real. There's no way they could fuck it up this badly, right.... right?
 
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vareon

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PBY said:
I could more folks, I really could, but by now I think you get the point: BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE is a travesty wrapped in a disaster inside an obscenity. It is steaming, rotten, sunbaked, oozing shit. As a critic, I can’t conceive that we’ll see a worse major studio movie this year. As an observer of the film business, I’m perversely fascinated to know what happens next now that one of the biggest studios on the planet has built multiple Summers worth of release slates around follow-ups to what’s turned out to be a Hindenbergian catastrophe. And as a comic book fan I am… suddenly feeling very, very old. And tired. I imagine it won’t last, but… for now… “tired” would indeed be the operative fucking word.


Wow.
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This is hyperbole. The movie tried a lot of things and fell short, but it's not a "steaming, rotten, sunbaked, oozing shit". Don't worry about that if you're planning to see this movie later.
 
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Tabby

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MegaManTrigger said:
Warners once killed off JLA despite having production sets, costume, and everything prepared.

I won't be surprised if JL is shelved or delayed if WB wants to kill the creative team.
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I hope we get a creative team that makes GL a founding member. If this goes through and GL isn't on the team I'll be forever salty.
 
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Chariot

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LSauchelli said:
I don't think this movie was really rushed? It was years in the making. Also, the whole 'they should make solo movies before they go on the big crossover movie' doesn't make much sense in a world where X-men was a hit on the last decade and the Justice League cartoon made it work perfectly fine in its first couple of episodes.
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Not the production of the movie itself, the position of the movie as a team-up as second movie. Marvel took time to build up and to Avengers and it worked out pretty good (even if you don't like it, it was received very positively and earned lotta money).

X-Men is a team comic book in the first place and Justice League is a series that took it's time to give characters their own little stories. One of the biggest benefits of Justice League were all the non-A-Listers that got time to shine.
 
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RBelong2Us

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The thing about Snyder is not only are the reception to most his movies polarizing but most of his films haven't even been that successful besides 300 and all those movies came out of WB. Dude must be charming as all f*cks.
 
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Blade30

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ItsThatAsianBoy said:
I'd love to see George Miller take over but Justice League begins shooting in early April, would they change plans so late?
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Well it happened with "The Death of Superman", which was cancelled three weeks before shooting. I'm not saying it will happen (putting it on-hold) with Justice League, just mention it that anything could happen (see Sony & Marvel).
 
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