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Batman v. Superman RT Thread: like standing ovations in rain

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jelly

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Welp, looks like I'll be going to see an awful movie this weekend "/

I'm sure it's been asked a million times but what has Zack Snyder done in the last ten years that made WB think he was capable of helming this franchise?

Willing to put in the hard work quickly then even more with the Universe and box office success with MoS and likely the same with BvS. I imagine they could have got another director but one to do it all like Snyder has done, probably slim pickings to none. WB screwed it up by not taking a break after MoS, sending Snyder packing and trying to create a Universe in a couple of years. I've said before but directors can get lucky and I doubt BvS will flop so will WB just look at short term profits and continue with Snyder, very possible.

What they should have done, bet on the winner with Batman again in a new film. Recast Superman. Introduce Wonder Women. Can we get a Lex like the animated series or Rosenbaum. Take it slow, no world endings. Three films with those main characters and maybe some other introductions then Justice League.
 

guek

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The only character moment that you could give 2 shits about was the one the director fought tooth and nail to add, and then had to include random Thor scene because that was the ultimatum set on the movie. Marvel has its shtick and it works well but all those movies follow almost the exact same formula. All look like they were made from a suit checklist on things that worked on Ironman 1. Other than Winter Solider, but that movie was amazing. Don't try to sell me this bridge shit with Marvel being new evolving and different, c'mon now

Those beats are totally there even if you didn't notice them or if the execution was clumsy. They're easily overshadowed by the movie's other problems but like I said, they're there.

I'm not saying Marvel is perfect or they fix all their problems, I'm saying they seem to at least recognize they have weaknesses and try to remedy them.
 

Toa TAK

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We have different opinions on what's good or bad. That's been established plenty. Personally I think ultron is pretty bad in its own way. My worst theater experience last year (that doesn't mean worst movie of the year so calm down before anybody bites. But the worst I saw last year? Yah)

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Well, at least you didn't see Fan4tastic. THAT was the worst film experience of the year. And I saw it for free.

I want my money back for the gas it took for me to get to the theater.
 

Interfectum

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It never ceases to amaze me that, even with hundreds of millions of dollars at play, they can't find a way to manufacture a satisfying, functional story in so many of these blockbuster movies. These massive projects, and yet they can't find the right words in the right order.

It's especially strange when you're dealing with characters that have such long histories. There are literally thousands of stories with these characters to work from.

More cooks in the kitchen, more ingredients to work with, more expensive pots and pans doesn't always lead to better food.

What's missing here is raw talent... the kind of talent that usually isn't interested in or isn't wanted for these types of movies.
 

B33

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We have different opinions on what's good or bad. That's been established plenty. Personally I think ultron is pretty bad in its own way. My worst theater experience last year (that doesn't mean worst movie of the year so calm down before anybody bites. But the worst I saw last year? Yah)

I'd rank it below man of Steel personally

I find this hard to believe when Jurassic World and Fantastic Four came out in 2015, too.
 

Mengy

wishes it were bannable to say mean things about Marvel
As a fan of Superman, I'm going to hate this movie ain't I?

It sounds like it, yeah, just like a lot of older Superman fans didn't like MoS either. But then same director and writer (at least originally) so we really shouldn't be too surprised I suppose. Still, I'm expecting to be let down again and upset after I see BvsS this weekend, just like I was with MoS. :(
 

Bad_Boy

time to take my meds
I've had time to sleep on it after seeing it last night and I just hate it more. This movie, if Man of Steel didn't do it already, will make you vehemently HATE Superman.

Movie spoilers:

In a later scene, Superman is standing in front of the senate and a man who lost his legs during Man of Steel's finale is sitting in the courtroom, Lex has strapped him with a bomb to detonate to make Superman look bad. Clark hears the click of the detonator, looks at the guy, and just lets the bomb go off. You see the fire just consume hundreds of people as Superman just stands there looking sad.

I can't believe people will take their kids to see this.

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Garlador

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It never ceases to amaze me that, even with hundreds of millions of dollars at play, they can't find a way to manufacture a satisfying, functional story in so many of these blockbuster movies. These massive projects, and yet they can't find the right words in the right order.

It's especially strange when you're dealing with characters that have such long histories. There are literally thousands of stories with these characters to work from.

Exactly. These aren't new characters with a limited history. There are DECADES of history to draw from, including dozens of universally acclaimed and celebrated incarnations.

I swear, these versions are straight out of the Injustice: Gods Among Us universe...

I'm not even joking anymore; these incarnations feel exactly like the ones Zack Synder would celebrate... without understanding these are meant to be the VILLAINOUS incarnations of our heroes.
 

Screaming Meat

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Sorry that you feel I was being rude. You seemed slighted by his comments, but seemingly ignorant of Miller's history in Hollywood.

It hasn't been good.

I wasn't slighted by him, hence the :) at the end of the post. Your opening gambit about age/comic ignorance? Yeah, I was slighted by that a bit. Terrible way to start a conversation, if you ask me. But hey ho.

The reason I said what I said to the other poster was because I feel this revisionism about Miller's importance to the Bat legacy (or indeed comics in general) is somewhat unfair. It's entirely rooted in the lack of quality in his post-TDKR work and generally disgusting political commentary of late. That doesn't change anything though. His origin story in Year One became the quintessential take on it. TDKR is one of the three books that kick-started mainstream acceptance of comics and reshaped the public's perception of the character. Regardless of his faults, he's an important figure.

ASBAR was the one with the yellow room and Green Lantern right? Yeah, that bit actually made me laugh.

That's the one!
 
I find this hard to believe when Jurassic World and Fantastic Four came out in 2015, too.

What makes you think I saw F4? To hell with that. Couldn't even finish it

And yeah as much as I've shat on jurassic world it was a more enjoyable experience than AoU and that aint much of a compliment if you saw my whinging about it

Was nice to see the tRex again tho no doubt
 

Anth0ny

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Because Dini is a TV guy with no actual experience when it comes to producing major motion pictures. Asking him to take on an entire universe of the biggest budget movies in cinema history as his first job sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. And Timm is an artist.

well maybe they could, you know, let Dini produce a major motion picture

and go from there

How did Feige get his start?

Also, you phrase the bolded like I'm insane for suggesting Dini handle the DC universe. Give me a fucking break. Who's the no name in charge of the DC CU right now? You're telling me he/she is more qualified than Dini?

Dini is a TV guy with no actual video game experience, right? I'm sure he can't write a great video game? Or two?

smh
 
It would never be allowed by the feds as Marvel and DC would be too dominant in the marketplace.

I'm pretty sure that monopoly laws wouldn't apply, actually.

Also, if I remember correctly, Timm was approached by some WB execs way back about maybe advising or producing a live-action slate, and he turned it down. Or maybe that was the comics? Maybe they asked him to oversee the comics side of things instead of the movie side? Either way, he actually DID get approached, but he declined.

There's been such a long, long twisted story about Warners trying to get this shit off the ground that the details start to get muddy after a certain point.
 
The superhero bubble could burst at any moment and Marvel has absolute dominance in that area. Warner wants a bit of that cake before everything is eaten. So they rushed, trying to get straight to the big team up. But apparently it's not working out well. They can't make up all the time Marvel had to develop and maintain it's cinematic universe, no matter how much money they throw.

Their only chance are new angles, like Suicide Squad.Sure. So will Suicide Squad since it's something new in the current superhero era. But the movies after? If people disliked BvS, will they really go to see the other hero movies? Or will the majority just stay with the MCU. After all, a lot of people have limited time, money and would rather stay in one particular universe.

Is it really a "bubble" if it's been going on for 16+ years? At this point "superhero" is just another genre like "sci fi" or "western". Doubtful it will ever actually go away, though you may get a couple lean years here and there.
 

Magwik

Banned
Exactly. These aren't new characters with a limited history. There are DECADES of history to draw from, including dozens of universally acclaimed and celebrated incarnations.

I swear, these versions are straight out of the Injustice: Gods Among Us universe...


I'm not even joking anymore; these incarnations feel exactly like the ones Zack Synder would celebrate... without understanding these are meant to be the VILLAINOUS incarnations of our heroes.
Oh yeah I loved the part of the movie where Supes throws him arm brutally through the joker
 

Tansut

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It's especially strange when you're dealing with characters that have such long histories. There are literally thousands of stories with these characters to work from.
Seriously. Do you know how happy many of us would have been with a simple live action remake of this?

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Nesotenso

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Because Dini is a TV guy with no actual experience when it comes to producing major motion pictures. Asking him to take on an entire universe of the biggest budget movies in cinema history as his first job sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. And Timm is an artist.

You could at least get guys like Dini and Timm to map out story beats.
 

Screaming Meat

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It took a while for the mainstream to catch on, but Batman's image was changed by better writers before Miller.

Got an example?

I'd argue that TDKR's success (and it was a success, whatever you think about it) helped Burton's Batman get greenlit (the other big game changer in mainstream perception of the character).
 
They're referring to the comic space, I think.

I know.

Pretty sure it still wouldn't apply.

You could at least get guys like Dini and Timm to map out story beats.

I don't think they want to.

edit: Jim Aparo and Denny O'Neill helped rehab Batman's image in the '70s. I believe Nolan was using O'Neill's interpretation of the character for inspiration on Begins and The Dark Knight, if I remember correctly.
 

Sephzilla

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Seriously. Do you know how happy many of us would have been with a simple live action remake of this?

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Sigh. Why couldn't it have been this? I watched this again like a month or two ago and its still a really fun movie. The scene where Superman finds a bat-tracker on his cape and then sees Batman off in the distance is still awesome
 
More cooks in the kitchen, more ingredients to work with, more expensive pots and pans doesn't always lead to better food.

What's missing here is raw talent... the kind of talent that usually isn't interested in or isn't wanted for these types of movies.

It has to be that they are their own worst enemies in some way. In their desire to control the project because there's so much money involved, they're not staying true to the creative process.

And they're often veering off course from the outset, because it's so often the scripts that are the most problematic. Hollywood doesn't seem to know what a good story is anymore. It's gotten to the point where its weird when they get it more or less right, like with GotG. It catches you off guard.
 
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