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[B33]

What makes you think I saw F4? To hell with that. Couldn't even finish it

And yeah as much as I've shat on jurassic world it was a much more enjoyable experience than AoU and that aint much of a compliment if you saw my whinging about it

Was nice to see the tRex again tho no doubt

Neither could I. It's a shame it turned out the way it did.

Age of Ultron isn't great, but its story and characterization works better than everything in Jurassic World.

I do think Marvel disbanding its creative committee and keeping Ike Perlmutter out of its cinematic work will result in a better batch of films.

Doctor Strange, Black Panther, Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 2, the Spider-Man reboot, and Captain Marvel are on the horizon.

 

[Dalek]

Surprise. He is the best part of the film.

That's not saying much.

 

[George Oscar Bluth II]

With such cast? That's unpossible.

I dunno, man. The cast is great but my expectations for this are really low because I don't think Marvel can go as far out there as they need to.

 

[hal9001]

The superhero bubble could burst at any moment and Marvel has absolute dominance in that area. Warner wants a bit of that cake before everything is eaten. So they rushed, trying to get straight to the big team up. But apparently it's not working out well. They can't make up all the time Marvel had to develop and maintain it's cinematic universe, no matter how much money they throw.

Their only chance are new angles, like Suicide Squad.Sure. So will Suicide Squad since it's something new in the current superhero era. But the movies after? If people disliked BvS, will they really go to see the other hero movies? Or will the majority just stay with the MCU. After all, a lot of people have limited time, money and would rather stay in one particular universe.

How exactly are they rushing? They has Man of steel, have suicide squad and wonder woman before Justice league. One less film than marvel in build up to avengers.

Cameos is not equal to team up. If that would be the case than Nick furry and iron man appearing would be a team up in every marvel film then.

 

[B33]

Got an example?

I'd argue that TDKR's success (and it was a success, whatever you think about it) could arguably helped Burton's Batman get greenlit (the other big game changer in mainstream perception of the character).

Denny O’Neil

 

[DerZuhälter]

They should just reboot Batman and Superman with a much lighter tone and a completely differrent director.

And then bring Snyder back for a multiverse movie, confirming his movies were Earth 2, the fucked up "Everybody is grumpy-Snyder-verse" and this was the grandscheme all along.

 

[Bronx-Man]

What was that?

Captain America: Civil War |OT| This movie will make you hate Cap, Tony, & the Avengers

 

[orthodoxy1095]

In seriousness, could Disney buying DC even be called a monopoly? I mean, it might leave an oligopoly in its wake, but I don't think it'd be an actual monopoly.

 

[Screaming Meat]

Denny O’Neil

We're talking mainstream though. During his tenure, people who didn't read comics would associate Batman with Adam West.

 

[Garlador]

Oh yeah I loved the part of the movie where Supes throws him arm brutally through the joker

He does far worse to some non-powered folks in this film...

And the POINT was that he killed a man and justified it. "One life! One life to save millions!" which Batman doesn't tolerate. "It always starts with one."

 

[Your Entertainer]

Going to see this Friday. Was cautiously optimistic, but it didn't look like it would be good and it seems like that has largely panned out.

I remember the pushback when people voiced their concerns about this movie early on.

 

[Lokimaru]

If George Miller takes over, that'd be a huge improvement, and maybe they still have time, since filming hasn't really begun and Terrio probably had time to fix anything disgustingly wrong with the JL Script.

Max Landis' American Alien is maybe one of the best Superman stories ever. He totally gets the character.

The problem isn't getting Superman, it's DC actually letting you tell your damn story. The amount of editorial obstruction on the Superman titles is obscene. The bosses at DC don't want good Superman stories that's why they never put top tier talent on the title long term. They want Superman seen just enough to keep him a viable license but not to make any lasting impact.

 

[Piku_Ringo]

If anything Snyder could be a great villain in a Crisis Of The DC Cinematic Universe film.

 

[Grizzlyjin]

In seriousness, could Disney buying DC even be called a monopoly? I mean, it might leave an oligopoly in its wake, but I don't think it'd be an actual monopoly.

Yeah, it could. Between DC and the imprints, nobody in comics could come even remotely close to competing with that.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

In seriousness, could Disney buying DC even be called a monopoly? I mean, it might leave an oligopoly in its wake, but I don't think it'd be an actual monopoly.

There was a whole thread about this at one point when someone speculated that Disney might be thinking about doing it (said speculation got reported here as a rumor, which might be the confusion another poster was referencing), I'll try to find it.

But I don't remember the conclusion to that thing supporting the idea that such a purchase would be considered a monopoly.

 

[Dalek]

If anything Snyder could be a great villain in a Crisis Of The DC Cinematic Universe film.

The Anti-Director.

 

[Slayven]

Really bad example using Westerns.

even then westerns dominated movies, and tv for decades

 

[Can Crusher]

It would never be allowed by the feds as Marvel and DC would be too dominant in the marketplace.

What marketplace? A monopoly on comic books? ahahaha

I'm sure the feds would care.

Ridiculous fan fiction though, akin to "Microsoft buying Nintendo".

 

[guek]

Back down to 40%

 

[NealMcCauley]

Still wasn't confirmed a flop until weekend totals gathered. Cart can't move with horse in back.

True, though I think it was already a disaster based off advanced tracking and Tuesday night showings. Didn't even have to wait for the weekend to know.

I wasn't slighted by him, hence the at the end of the post. Your opening gambit about age/comic ignorance? Yeah, I was slighted by that a bit. Terrible way to start a conversation, if you ask me. But hey ho.

The reason I said what I said to the other poster was because I feel this revisionism about Miller's importance to the Bat legacy (or indeed comics in general) is somewhat unfair. It's entirely rooted in the lack of quality in his post-TDKR work and generally disgusting political commentary of late. That doesn't change anything though. His origin story in Year One became the quintessential take on it. TDKR is one of the three books that kick-started mainstream acceptance of comics and reshaped the public's perception of the character. Regardless of his faults, he's an important figure.

Miller did some great things, but it seems like Snyder took all the wrong messages from them.

 

[Screaming Meat]

even then westerns dominated movies, and tv for decades

Now look at them. Without Tarantino's name attached they evaporate.

Oh. Now I made myself sad.

 

[Toxi]

Back down to 40%

Still above Mars Needs Moms!

 

[BeatnikGunsoo]

In seriousness, could Disney buying DC even be called a monopoly? I mean, it might leave an oligopoly in its wake, but I don't think it'd be an actual monopoly.

warner owns DC though

 

[Anth0ny]

It never ceases to amaze me that, even with hundreds of millions of dollars at play, they can't find a way to manufacture a satisfying, functional story in so many of these blockbuster movies. These massive projects, and yet they can't find the right words in the right order.

It's especially strange when you're dealing with characters that have such long histories. There are literally thousands of stories with these characters to work from.

Yup. This is what I've been trying to deal with for the last day. It really blows my mind.

How fucking hard can it be? You have 75 fucking years of story to look back on. You have awesome animated adaptations to look at. You have three critically acclaimed, billion dollar live action Batman movies that are all less than 11 years old.

Fuck!

 

[Screaming Meat]

Miller did some great things, but it seems like Snyder took all the wrong messages from them.

Fair enough. That's on Snyder though.

 

[guek]

If anything Snyder could be a great villain in a Crisis Of The DC Cinematic Universe film.

This has nothing to do with what you just said but for some reason you made me think of a possible JL Earth 2 story and suddenly I really want John Hamm as Ultraman

 

[captainnapalm]

Seriously. Do you know how happy many of us would have been with a simple live action remake of this?

I know, it's like you have one job. Do a heroes meeting up and fighting story before they make up and unite to save the day against Lex Luthor. Riff on the Justice League origin story. Boom. done.

 

[Kickz]

Man some of these critics are really taking shots at Jesse Eisenberg's performance as Lex Luthor.

Telegraph



Metro



Sydney Morning Herald



Hollywood Reporter



Screencrush



Entertainment Weekly



Birthmoviesdeath



Irish Times



IGN

Everyone knew this was a shit casting choice from the get go.

 

[Dash_Riprock]

Everyone knew this was a shit casting choice from the get go.

Not since Hallie Berry as Catwoman has a comic film role been so horribly miscast.

 

[CyclopsRock]

How exactly are they rushing? They has Man of steel, have suicide squad and wonder woman before Justice league. One less film than marvel in build up to avengers.

I don't have a dog in this fight so I don't really know why I'm posting, but I think it's worth pointing out that people actually liked the Marvel films that set up The Avengers.

 

[demon]

Jesus christ nearly 60 pages in a day. neogaf sure takes its caped crusaders pretty seriously. It's a fucking comic book movie, is it such a surprise that the movie turned out to be a turd?

 

[B33]

We're talking mainstream though.

Sure, Denny O'Neil's work may now not be as well known as Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Returns, but it lead the charge and made an impact before Miller.

The paradigm that was Adam West's Batman shifted with O'Neil, then was taken further by Miller, but it wasn't until Tim Burton's Batman and Bruce Timm's Batman: The Animated Series that the character's mainstream image truly changed.

 

[Slaythe]

Not shocked. Looked terrible all along.

It is not terrible. It has mistakes. It's still an original and enjoyable "mess".

 

[Ahasverus]

I know, it's like you have one job. Do a heroes meeting up and fighting story before they make up and unite to save the day against Lex Luthor. Riff on the Justice League origin story. Boom. done.

That's this movie though

 

[Sephzilla]

Not since Hallie Berry as Catwoman has a comic film role been so horribly miscast.

 

[Bronx-Man]

If anything Snyder could be a great villain in a Crisis Of The DC Cinematic Universe film.

There's only one man that can save the DC Multiverse.

 

[ReAxion]

when is the bitter twitter screed from the director happening?

 

[Dirtyshubb]

Really bad example using Westerns.

Funny thing about the whole 'Super hero movies will go the way of westerns' idea is that we are no where near the over saturation that we were at with the peak of westerns.

We have more and more films released than ever and people complain about having 6 Super Hero movies in a year yet at its lowest point (during the western era) we had at least 15 westerns in a year (Maximum was over 30).

So this idea that we are over saturated with comic book films is quite silly really.

 

[Garlador]

We're talking mainstream though. During his tenure, people who didn't read comics would associate Batman with Adam West.

I think the Burton films felt more like the Denny comics than the Miller ones. Could just be me though.

 

[captainnapalm]

That's this movie though

But it appears they've screwed it up somehow.

 

[B33]

when is the bitter twitter screed from the director happening?

If anything, I foresee Zack Snyder handing his account over to a PR person or deactivating it.

 

[blummer102]

Sitting in the theater bout to watch this bad boy in five minutes.

This gon be gud

 

[BronsonLee]

when is the bitter twitter screed from the director happening?

Never, Snyder isn't stupid

 

[Caja 117]

Yup. This is what I've been trying to deal with for the last day. It really blows my mind.

How fucking hard can it be? You have 75 fucking years of story to look back on. You have awesome animated adaptations to look at. You have three critically acclaimed, billion dollar live action Batman movies that are all less than 11 years old.

Fuck!

I think this is one of the reason the MCU has worked fine, even if they have an Original Story, a lot of things are inspired from stories that have been published before.

 

[Dash_Riprock]

Eh, with a good script and director, it might have worked.

Key word MIGHT.

Berry was never gonna work.

 

[TheFuzz]

There are a lot of entertainment options out there. If I take my wife to a movie and dinner, we're talking $80 or so. For those of us with a budget, that's a big deal. So, yeah, reviews matter. I'd rather take her to a night she will definitely enjoy and rent the movie in a few months then chance a waste of an evening.

You can still 'waste' the evening, regardless of critical reviews. It's an opinion, no more or less. I've wasted a few evenings on movies that were critically well-received. If you are Batman or comic fan, I'd imagine it won't be a wasted evening. And that's going by the negative reviews as well.

 

[B33]

I think the Burton films felt more like the Denny comics than the Miller ones. Could just be me though.

Bruce Timm's Batman: The Animated Series took more inspiration from Denny O'Neil's run more so than Frank Miller's work.

 

[Dash_Riprock]

when is the bitter twitter screed from the director happening?

Don't expect one. Rumor is after Fant4stic ALL studios made their actors/directors sign new NDAs. They are TERRIFIED of another Josh Tank affair.

 

[Sojgat]

There's only one man that can save the DC Multiverse.

I'd watch that.

 

[Busty]

I'm pretty sure that monopoly laws wouldn't apply, actually.

Perhaps. I remember reading an article on this..., eh, it's pointless to argue. If anyone has a definitive answer on this I'd be interested to read it.

Also, if I remember correctly, Timm was approached by some WB execs way back about maybe advising or producing a live-action slate, and he turned it down. Or maybe that was the comics? Maybe they asked him to oversee the comics side of things instead of the movie side? Either way, he actually DID get approached, but he declined.

IIRC some of the guys from the animated series (Dini and Timm?) wrote a draft for a Batman film that was more of a globe spanning adventure rather than something set in Gotham but it never got any further than that.

This was well before Batman Begins though.