It depends on how much value that content has to you. Perspective. You think you're getting less content, others think they're getting additional. No I'm not trying to spin, it's just we're humans made up of different opinons and thoughts.
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Phil Spencer: "Not a fan of marketing deals with exclusive content"
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It depends on how much value that content has to you. Perspective. You think you're getting less content, others think they're getting additional. No I'm not trying to spin, it's just we're humans made up of different opinons and thoughts.
Yeah, that's also how I see it, and it's definitely worse than a "console launch exclusive".
Still, I think they did something similar as recently as last year, with Fifa.
ScientificPizza
Banned
Sure, but responsibility != approval. There's a difference between being responsible for a department and personally signing off and endorsing every decision.
TBiddy
Member
I agree, that "Console Launch Exclusive" is a shitty thing as well. In a perfect world, no such deals would exist. It's not possible for all developers to release on both PS4 and XB1 at the same time, because of resources, but bribing them to hold off a game, a map, skins or whatever, just to piss on the competition is bad form.
But so are 95% of the replies in this thread.
Goose_Se7en
Banned
Smh at the discourse on this thread, it's about pointing fingers now and Phil said this and Phil did that.
The point of discussion shouldn't be who's a hypocrite and who isn't. We've agreed that both companies have cut these deals in the past and continue to do so now. The point should be that these type of practices isn't healthy for the industry and doesn't benefit us, the gamers.
The point of discussion shouldn't be who's a hypocrite and who isn't. We've agreed that both companies have cut these deals in the past and continue to do so now. The point should be that these type of practices isn't healthy for the industry and doesn't benefit us, the gamers.
Dude... just. Just no.
Ninja Scooter
Member
The 20 or so timed exclusives that were announced by MS 2 days ago was before his tenure?
How do times exclusives hurt the industry? Sure they're annoying, but how do they hurt anything?
therealbigrich
Member
There are so many ways to interrupt this statement that everyone will read it differently . People saying that MS cant get any deals is kind of crazy cause I'm sure they could spend enough money to do it. Hell Nintendo I'm sure has or will have exclusive content so the down 2 to 1 thing IDK about.
My personal opinion from what I gather would be that Phil would love to do the deals but doesn't think they move enough units and worth the extra money . No way to tell if they actually do anything or not though . People can bring up destiny deal but they did have a 2 to 1 lead but I don't the sales were 2 to 1 .
My personal opinion from what I gather would be that Phil would love to do the deals but doesn't think they move enough units and worth the extra money . No way to tell if they actually do anything or not though . People can bring up destiny deal but they did have a 2 to 1 lead but I don't the sales were 2 to 1 .
Mass_Pincup
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You're being weirdly obtuse.
Of course Phil Spencer isn't literally doing everything alone at Xbox. But it's his vision and the policies in the Xbox division are made by him. Everything made by the Xbox team is coming from his visions and policies.
Thank you! What an excellent way to put it. This type of practice is unhealthy moving forward, and hopefully the industry starts to change.
No, but he did not know about them ubtil they where shown in the conference.
AZ Greg
Member
Not the same at all. The fanbase of the other platform will still get the developers entire vision of the game on their day 1.
There were people complaining about it when MS was doing it, and now there are people doing so that now that Sony is doing it.
It sucked then, it sucks now. But don't try to say everyone was just fine with this sort of deal when Microsoft was doing it. Because most weren't.
Ghost Slayer
Member
Are you fucking serious?
DOWN
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The people who paid to stop Rise of the Tomb Raider from being multiplatform for a year when it was planned for multiplatform before their deal?
The guys who invented delaying COD map packs and Skyrim DLC from Playstation users?
Aren't they the ones with that parity clause we heard is still going as of last month? Ok Phil
The guys who invented delaying COD map packs and Skyrim DLC from Playstation users?
Aren't they the ones with that parity clause we heard is still going as of last month? Ok Phil
DangerMouse
Member
This.
Phil continues to be absolute shit and a total used car salesman as others put it.
Ocarina_117
Banned
It's not really additional content though is it? Should one platform A receive the same or more content than platform B makes no difference to A owners. Platform B miss out on content but are forced to pay the same price. Should Platform A owners pay more for the game, then you have a case of it being additional content. As it stands its content witheld. That was most definitely a spin.
3rdamention
Member
He liked that parity clause that made devs create exclusive content for Xbox games if it came out later than other platforms...That was content you couldn't get anywhere else....
He likes console launch exclusives, that keep the game from other players/platforms for a time period...
But he doesn't liked timed dlc? Lol
He likes console launch exclusives, that keep the game from other players/platforms for a time period...
But he doesn't liked timed dlc? Lol
WordsintheWater
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I feel like we need some clarity, it's not what he's saying that's wrong it's just who is saying it. You guys are delusional in thinking if they weren't in a different position they wouldn't be doing the same thing. There's plenty of evidence of it throughout this gen.
So please let's stop trying to act like Executives are our friends and all they have is our best interest in mind. Put the shoe on the other foot and we would have these same practices from Microsoft. They are there to make money any way they can.
So please let's stop trying to act like Executives are our friends and all they have is our best interest in mind. Put the shoe on the other foot and we would have these same practices from Microsoft. They are there to make money any way they can.
LastOne2100
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And missing a single gun or a 10 minute non-story mission will not be the entire vision of the game?
I frankly see exclusive content deals to be WAY better than "launch" exclusives. Most people just want to play the game, and would prefer to play the game missing a few small inconsequential pieces than not get to play it at all for 6 months. Enough to nudge people one direction, but not taking away their ability to enjoy the game at all.
Can't honestly believe people would rather not have a game at all than to miss tiny bits of content. You wouldn't be angrier if Destiny 2 was a 6 month launch exclusive? Of course you would.
ZombieNapoleon
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Look Phil, I'm rooting for you and the new version of the console. But please don't try to take throw stones from a glass house and expect to be seen as a leader with nuanced opinions on how your competitor is hurting the industry. It reeks of school-yard mentality when they (justly) called out Microsoft at the beginning of this generation. Stick to the selling points of power, further including indie titles, and the game log.
AyaisMUsikWhore
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He's right, but saying he isn't a fan? That's a lie. They are all still a fan. At the end of the day, Microsoft is going to do things for their Xbox fans and provide more content for Xbox fans. And he will continue signing deals like that period. This is so disingenuous when it's still likely going to happen. Microsoft really started this game and here we are....
edbooneyebrows
Banned
lol fuck off. its better then locking entire games(TOMB RAIDER,TITANFALL)for years
ByWatterson
Member
Was this interview with Phil an EXCLUSIVE!?
ScientificPizza
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No, that's not how business works, especially not a business as large as Microsoft. Phil Spencer definitely has an overall agenda and vision for Xbox, but that does not mean every policy and adheres strictly to that vision and not every decision comes with his tacit approval.
Mr. Phellps
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I think it's sarcasm.
Militant17
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therealbigrich
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Phil is better off not saying anything since he can say exactly what everyone thinks and still get bashed to high hell
Yearsoflurking
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indie games are usually timed duebto budget/ resources. should he pay those indie games to fasten ps4 development?
panda-zebra
Member
Holding back parts of games from other platforms? Vile!
Holding back whole games from other platforms, half a conference's worth? Totes fine.
and come on uncle phil, who signed the cheques last gen for exactly these kinds of deals?
Holding back whole games from other platforms, half a conference's worth? Totes fine.
and come on uncle phil, who signed the cheques last gen for exactly these kinds of deals?
Razgriz-Specter
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Yes because dumb tacked on crap is truly an amazing aspect of a developer's vision.
Salty Rice
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Yes being responsible for the Xbox division is part of his job description.
NaDannMaGoGo
Member
Why?
This board and others have talked about the bullshit that is exclusivity for decades. What's special about this case is who is saying it and that the person is a huge hypocrite.
Permanently A
Junior Member
The sourest of grapes, lol
Liquidsnakeiv
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I agree with what he is saying, but at the same time, he has probably now taken that stance due to their inability to pull off these deals...because you know if they could have gotten Destiny, then you know they would have....get your 1st party in order, Phil.
ScientificPizza
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You're a space marine with a giant robot friend and you try to kill other space marines and their giant robot friends
GuitarGuruu
Member
When I saw just how much Sony had over competitors I felt disgusted. In what way is that fair for consumers.
Hey, question for you. What do consumers get out of MS hording all of the games they showed for undetermined periods of time? I want to play Ashen, but I have to wait longer than an XB1 owner, for what reason?
It goes both ways man... these deals are NEVER for the consumer- they are 100% for the corporation to sell more games on their platform.
Phil speaks out against it less than 24 hours after doing it himself!!! I mean, come on. MS is screwing over players as much, if not more than Sony is. It's all about sales, and any corporation that tells you otherwise is lying.
Depending on your side of the fence, you may (for now) feel more strongly about one type of exclusive deal over another, but why can't we all just sit back for a second, and say they ALL SUCK, and therefore, Phil is a fucking hypocrite. He has to either shut the fuck up, or stop doing what he is so vehemently against. If Shu or Shaun came out and said something about timed exclusives, I would call them out in a heartbeat, but they seem to keep it in their pants. Phil just won't stop talking.
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
What vision? By this logic...people who don't buy the highest tier of game editions are not recieving the entire vision of the game on their day one either? Best Buy, target, Walmart, even they do this.
While Microsoft isn't a shining beacon in this department either, I agree with Phil on the specific case of Destiny 2. Sucks the PC version comes out a month later and then also won't even have all the available strikes or equipment. Also seems weird Bungie teamed with the only non-advocate for crossplay for their shared world shooter.
Goose_Se7en
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Oh for sure, I agree entirely with you. Given the opportunity, Phil would cut these very same deals to fatten their bottom line and provide the best "value" for the Xbox faithful. I'm glad he's speaking out against it, but it's up to us to keep him accountable.
I'm just going to nip this in the bud. We both agree that exclusivity is a pile, I'd argue most of the thread does. We also understand why these companies do it. I'm just stating that I would prefer to have the game itself as opposed to the additional content, especially on the grounds that the content is still coming. They're both awful and anti-consumer, I just consider one more egrigious and that's our point of contention. You'll likely never change my view on that because of what value I place on having the game available to me at launch vs having bits of content available to me at launch.
You're right, apparently were certain legendary players in "ultimate team" only available for Xbox. So I understand why people fond this to be hypocrisy.
On the bright side, FIFA 18 ditches that exclusivity. Wonder if that was EAs or MSs decision
Militant17
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Are you 12 or just bad at making jokes?