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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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joe_zazen

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”ms is killing it”

are we talking moneyhatting third party games, i.e. paying to keep them off Switch and PS5? Or more studio buys?
 
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Bryank75 said:
What I actually said might be going on.... I posted it a good while back. Gonna be hard to find it!
Anyway, it seems very likely.
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Tflops are single-precision (32bit) floating point calculations per seconds. If Sony has something different as CUs for ray-tracing then it has also it's own tflop number. What I want to say that the ray-tracing unit tflops must be added for the final tflops numbers to see the real peak power. Ofc these extra tflops will only be used if a game is using ray-tracing. If this tweet is true.
 
TGO

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Lort said:
Play games at 4k woth faster frame rates*

* everyone knows its the weaker console that requires checkerboard and yet still has many patched games that run at 1440 and the faster frame rates are just when the game ran unbelievably crap before. In other words your a complete fool if you believe what it clearly states I playstation advertising .. but that’s ok because if you buy it based on this information you’ll realise your such an idiot you won’t complain or ask for your money back and instead will take up posting on forums that xbox isnt any better ... when it actually is.
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ANIMAL1975

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Lort said:
Play games at 4k woth faster frame rates*

* everyone knows its the weaker console that requires checkerboard and yet still has many patched games that run at 1440 and the faster frame rates are just when the game ran unbelievably crap before. In other words your a complete fool if you believe what it clearly states I playstation advertising .. but that’s ok because if you buy it based on this information you’ll realise your such an idiot you won’t complain or ask for your money back and instead will take up posting on forums that xbox isnt any better ... when it actually is.
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David Ricardo

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Bryank75 said:
What I actually said might be going on.... I posted it a good while back. Gonna be hard to find it!
Anyway, it seems very likely.
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Matt said not to use the github leak as indication of anything. Klegamefan said he has no idea what that is.

We also know that 2 ghz Navi consumes too much power and generates a lot of heat for a slight improvement in performance, so it makes no sense for a console.

In what world does that seem very likely?
 
Lort

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ANIMAL1975 said:
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For the record I don’t think anyone who buys a playstation is a fool... I was paraphrasing and parodying the argument that I was having. So please read ( if u didnt) the previous posts I was responding to. ( the argument being presented to me was that only a fool would not know ps4 is checkerboard 4k only).
Personally I don’t think people know or care.
 
PocoJoe

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Bryank75 said:
What I actually said might be going on.... I posted it a good while back. Gonna be hard to find it!
Anyway, it seems very likely.
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No it doesnt. Separate chip for RT would add latency and everybody whom knows anything about graphics knows that it is the bad thing to do.

Sound Complete bullshit that no one with any experience would believe
 
Bryank75

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David Ricardo said:
Matt said not to use the github leak as indication of anything. Klegamefan said he has no idea what that is.

We also know that 2 ghz Navi consumes too much power and generates a lot of heat for a slight improvement in performance, so it makes no sense for a console.

In what world does that seem very likely?
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I seem to remember the AMD conference saying that each increase in mhz resulted in a 50% increase in tflops... something like that!
Maybe I am way off in putting the importance I am on how fast / hot it's running.
 
Bryank75

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PocoJoe said:
No it doesnt. Separate chip for RT would add latency and everybody whom knows anything about graphics knows that it is the bad thing to do.

Sound Complete bullshit that no one with any experience would believe
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So, what do you think is going on?
 
Thedtrain

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David Ricardo said:
Matt said not to use the github leak as indication of anything. Klegamefan said he has no idea what that is.

We also know that 2 ghz Navi consumes too much power and generates a lot of heat for a slight improvement in performance, so it makes no sense for a console.

In what world does that seem very likely?
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That’s what I don’t get about the “foregone conclusion” that the github leak is the ps5 chip.
Seems like a huge waste of resources when you could likely get a cheaper apu going wider and slower.
 
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XcloudTimdog said:
No just calling out the obvious sony fanboys who said id be quiet. Orisis Black is bullshit , so is Klee. I told you all in June when you were dancing, xbox would be most powerful. Dont be mad because im looking right and the piece of plastic you pine for looks weaker.
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That's awfully rich coming from a guy who's identity is so intrinsically linked to the manufacturer of his preferred box, that his very userID on GAF and personal twitter handle is named after said manufacturers subscription service.
 
Kazekage1981

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OsirisBlack said:
Squid vs X 1 year bet? (Guessing you keep missing it)

I will double down on the ray tracing and power. (Neither is < 10) I'll take a separate bet on that.

I also stated a LONG time ago that the machine was 100% bc with PS4 (That was planned day 1) I really don't know about the other generations.

I also stand by XSeX having a better launch games line up if were counting brand new games not launching during the Xb1 or Ps4 window. (Counting late PS4 games Ghosts is going to be hard to beat)

Most of the other info I got this week is concerning games and MS is definitely killing it. Console info is really tight at the moment.

Also Someone got the quote right before CES but I won't say who. Second time around is always better than the first. Eyeballs will bleed. (I have spoken)

Edited to add: I will take a separate bet from ANYONE that one of MS in house games that I have already mentioned will be running at a native 8k.
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Beast mode confirmed! :messenger_winking_tongue:
 
Proelite

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OsirisBlack said:
Squid vs X 1 year bet? (Guessing you keep missing it)

I will double down on the ray tracing and power. (Neither is < 10) I'll take a separate bet on that.

I also stated a LONG time ago that the machine was 100% bc with PS4 (That was planned day 1) I really don't know about the other generations.

I also stand by XSeX having a better launch games line up if were counting brand new games not launching during the Xb1 or Ps4 window. (Counting late PS4 games Ghosts is going to be hard to beat)

Most of the other info I got this week is concerning games and MS is definitely killing it. Console info is really tight at the moment.

Also Someone got the quote right before CES but I won't say who. Second time around is always better than the first. Eyeballs will bleed. (I have spoken)

Edited to add: I will take a separate bet from ANYONE that one of MS in house games that I have already mentioned will be running at a native 8k.
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I'll take your bet. Xsx TF > PS5 TFs.
 
Bryank75

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RasAlGhoul said:
I’m a games first person I want to know about these moneyhats OsirisBlack OsirisBlack is alluding to. Sounds like MS is going to force me to play some games on my PC. Which doesn’t make me very happy.
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It actually really pisses me off, they always abandon their old consoles and use moneyhats early in the new generation to force people to consider buying their new box.
They did with Ryse, Titanfall and other stuff last generation, while PlayStation had TLOU and GT6 coming to PS3 and didn't lock their PS3 players out by making moving them to PS4...
 
thicc_girls_are_teh_best

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Thedtrain said:
That’s what I don’t get about the “foregone conclusion” that the github leak is the ps5 chip.
Seems like a huge waste of resources when you could likely get a cheaper apu going wider and slower.
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I don't wanna bring this up again, but you guys do remember the stuff going around last year that PS5 might've been coming out in 2019, right? We as the public may not know how true that was, but it's plausible considering it would've coincided with PS's 25th anniversary.

We still have things like Shawn Layden abruptly leaving SIE last year left unanswered for (some dispute with Jim Ryan seems to be cited as a reason). PS5 chips have seemingly gone through a lot of steppings that've even surprised Komachi. Some news recently came out about a 5700xt being overclocked to 2.2GHz, so as a capability, that is possible on Navi. It's at least plausible that Sony might've gone with a smaller chip possibly at more modest clocks at the beginning but kept clocking it higher with each stepping.

I'd actually be very interested in an in-depth look of PS5's development one day; it's a hunch but something tells me plans drastically changed. Something tells me PS5 started off with slightyly more modest specs and Sony may've planned for a custom RT solution off the bat to integrate into the system at a later date. And I really do think there was some merit to the PS5 2019 release rumors. Some of those other rumors had them going for a $399 price point, which isn't unreasonable since it seemed to be the sweet spot for PS4 and PS4 Pro (high chance PS5 could also be $399 still).

And Sony also has next-gen PSVR; they probably want to push next-gen VR much more than the first generation has, what if PS5 R&D had more allocated towards PSVR2 than some might be thinking? Could explain the 9.2TF-10.5TF spec rumors/leaks going around past few weeks. I think we need to see what's going on with PSVR2 in order to get a fuller understanding where things are with PS5 tbh.

RasAlGhoul said:
I’m a games first person I want to know about these moneyhats OsirisBlack OsirisBlack is alluding to. Sounds like MS is going to force me to play some games on my PC. Which doesn’t make me very happy.
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He didn't say anything explicit about moneyhats, just that they seemingly have a lot going on with their game dev and collaborations with 3rd-parties on that front. No reason to be a pessimist over that statement.

Also moneyhats aren't anything new, it's been a thing since forever and it really depends on the nature of things. Things like ROTR were moneyhats I don't agree with. But in hindsight, I also don't agree with moneyhats like SFV. Then there's "moneyhats" like Nintendo with Bayonetta 2 but at least those ones are somewhat justified.

Take the rumors about Sony and GTA6 exclusivity; that would be an obvious moneyhat and one of the most damaging ones around (not just for MS, but for PC gamers and gamers in general imo), and one completely unjustified. Same if MS got GTA6 exclusive.
 
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Hawking Radiation

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David Ricardo said:
Kleegamefan just confirmed on the other site that oberon specs don’t match the specs he has for PS5.

in the past he said PS5 is slightly more powerful than Series X, and in december he said Series X is 12 TF RDNA.
So, if he isn’t just another fake insider, PS5 should be over 12 teraflops.
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Yeah that much was clear for anyone with a functioning brain. The data was suspect. You vant draw conclusions on suspect data.
Only fools indulge in such things.
 
Kazekage1981

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OsirisBlack, I still dont get the purpose of lockhart. How is that any better than Xbone X? Can you please give some hints for that? Why MS release 2 SKU's? I am already confused and its not even close to launch.
 
StreetsofBeige

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From all the insiders, anyone have an accurate prediction tracker what each person has said?

When everything is finally revealed, I'd like to see who did best.

Guy who leaked Oberon specs (from around spring 2019) = 9.2TF

Klee
Osiris
Matt from Reeee (I think Matt the moderator, not Matt the NPD guy)
Jason Scheier
Any other people I missed
 
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demigod

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OsirisBlack said:
Squid vs X 1 year bet? (Guessing you keep missing it)

I will double down on the ray tracing and power. (Neither is < 10) I'll take a separate bet on that.

I also stated a LONG time ago that the machine was 100% bc with PS4 (That was planned day 1) I really don't know about the other generations.

I also stand by XSeX having a better launch games line up if were counting brand new games not launching during the Xb1 or Ps4 window. (Counting late PS4 games Ghosts is going to be hard to beat)

Most of the other info I got this week is concerning games and MS is definitely killing it. Console info is really tight at the moment.

Also Someone got the quote right before CES but I won't say who. Second time around is always better than the first. Eyeballs will bleed. (I have spoken)

Edited to add: I will take a separate bet from ANYONE that one of MS in house games that I have already mentioned will be running at a native 8k.
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XcloudTimdog XcloudTimdog the greatest NeoGAF hide and seek player.
 
Insane Metal

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StreetsofBeige said:
From all the insiders, anyone have an accurate prediction tracker what each person has said?

When everything is finally revealed, I'd like to see who did best.

Guy who leaked Oberon specs (from around spring 2019) = 9.2TF

Klee
Osiris
Matt from NPD
Jason Scheier
Any other people I missed
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Klee and Osiris have stated both are >10TFs. Some other journalist said PS5 devkit was 13TF.

Klee and Osiris have also stated both are very close in power, but Osiris said PS5 > XSX while Klee said XSX > PS5.
 
TLZ

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XcloudTimdog said:
I guess its only ok to tell me things like you will see. One thing i been has always been consistent on this. Power matters, Xbox wont be slightly less powerful. Its not about me antagonizing others, just responding to those that claimed id be shut up . It continues. Feb next up .
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If power matters then why didn't it matter to you and played it down with the Xbox One and PS4 you dick? If hypocrisy had a name, it's TimDog.
 
thicc_girls_are_teh_best

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Kazekage1981 said:
Even if PS5 was slightly better than Xsex or vice versa, lockhart is just a complete wrench that adds a huge potential of confusion to the masses to say the least (for ms lineup).
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That's why we're all hoping it's not real (unlikely) or not coming until later down the line (more likely but still slim chance I guess).

Or maybe Lockhart actually makes sense once they reveal it (somewhere between the first two xD).
 
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