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Xbox Series X | Xbox

Discover the fastest, most powerful Xbox ever with the Xbox Series X.

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Phil Spencer

 

[Jigsaah]

Yes easily , funded by game pass and Xbox live , Xcloud.

Series X 399.99. Do it MS!

It would be the drama we needed.

There is no effin way this happens. You can't sell the X for $500 and then turn around and sell the SXS for $400. Microsoft has been investing heavily, but I think this is a step too far. At that price, even people with PC's couldn't justify not getting it.

 

[Elenchus]

Expect PS5 to offer pretty much exactly the same thing, numbers be slightly different but basically the exact same feature-set.

The "Smart delivery" thing is such smoke-and-mirrors though. Basically all it means is that of an upgrade patch exists for SX, then it'll get auto-loaded on install. but third-parties can still charge for it if they want. Whoopty-do. That sounds like business as usual.
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I’m not expecting anything. Sony either confirms what it’s offering or it doesn’t. I’m not doing benefit of the doubt on hardware given the shit build quality and cooling on the Pro.

 

[Bladed Thesis]

what a strange question.
i don't need to buy a xone if microsoft announce all their games on pc since day one, but they announced this shit far beyond day one so people with a gaming pc who already bought their console was fucked.

i literally burned 400 dollars for a useless console because microsoft wasn't clear since day one on their pc gaming release state, it was a shitty move for a lot of people with a gaming pc.

and lol, i don't need a console to play on my couch because i already do that with my pc, and if i buy a game on pc i don't need to play the same game on console with shitty performance and resolution just because i have cross save.

and i'm going to be mad at sony if they make the same shitty move during nextgen....buys our console for exclusives games, after 6M-1Y, good news folks, you don't need a ps5 to play our exclusives games, how is that sound to you?

i mean it's a good thing so more people can play their games, but at least announce a thing like this on day one and not after people already bought your console.

the problem is the timing, not the news itself.

Well, that's certainly a take.

 

[JLB]

Nice. Glad we have at least one confirmation. Come on Sony.

“Power + Speed + Compatibility” should have been the slogan, not the ridiculous “Power Your Dreams”.

power your dreams sounds better though

 

[Kagero]

Most of the people in here don't even know what 12TF or RDNA2 blah blah blah even means. (Including me) People seem excited tho so I'm good with that lol

 

[Ellery]

This is not impressive "for a console". It's just flat out impressive. No need to minimize it.

I have no idea what that means. We have had access to 13+TF for years now. That is not impressive to me buying an overclocked 1080 Ti, Radeon VII, 2080 Super or 2080 Ti, Titan RTX etc.

I repeat. It is impressive for a console.

It is not impressive for a dedicated graphics card in a PC.

(I am not downplaying this in any way. I am actually impressed by 12TF inside a console. It is the absolute limit I thought possible. You can see many of my posts on here in this very forum stating that I think 10-12 TF is possible, but everything above that is basically impossible. Especially 14-16TF is not going to happen.)

 

[ManaByte]

I have no idea what that means. We have had access to 13+TF for years now. That is not impressive to me buying an overclocked 1080 Ti, Radeon VII, 2080 Super or 2080 Ti, Titan RTX etc.

I repeat. It is impressive for a console.

It is not impressive for a dedicated graphics card in a PC.

(I am not downplaying this in any way. I am actually impressed by 12TF inside a console. It is the absolute limit I thought possible. You can see many of my posts on here in this very forum stating that I think 10-12 TF is possible, but everything above that is basically impossible. Especially 14-16TF is not going to happen.)

It's impressive that you're getting it for a console price.

 

[GraveyGamer]

Dope shit

 

[Tomeru]

But will it run Crysis reamke/remaster?

 

[GymWolf]

Well, that's certainly a take.

not my fault if you don't understand why the lack of clarity is a shitty move...

do you at least understand that people with a beefy pc don't need a console to play Microsoft games? they already spent thousands of dollars for their PCs.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Is this how will learn about the next gen consoles? By random tweets?

Seems that way. TBF, Covid19's out there messing everything up. Might as well tweet what you've got :S

 

[Ogbert]

Most of the people in here don't even know what 12TF or RDNA2 blah blah blah even means. (Including me) People seem excited tho so I'm good with that lol

One teraflop = one inch in penis length.

 

[Kagero]

One teraflop = one inch in penis length.

Whoa whoa whoa! There are kids here!

 

[Ogbert]

Anyway, this confirms my suspicions. MS will take a hit on this console price to get back market share. Let’s be honest, Sony eviscerated them this generation. But people forget just how much money MS has. I don’t expect PS5 to compete with this in terms of specs.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

PC killing beast

 

[Halph n Halph]

If they bring this beast in at £450 they may well find they have a new customer .
Over to you Sony .

 

[KlickKlack]

I have no idea what that means. We have had access to 13+TF for years now. That is not impressive to me buying an overclocked 1080 Ti, Radeon VII, 2080 Super or 2080 Ti, Titan RTX etc.

I repeat. It is impressive for a console.

It is not impressive for a dedicated graphics card in a PC.

(I am not downplaying this in any way. I am actually impressed by 12TF inside a console. It is the absolute limit I thought possible. You can see many of my posts on here in this very forum stating that I think 10-12 TF is possible, but everything above that is basically impossible. Especially 14-16TF is not going to happen.)

what you don't understand:
they will use and OPTIMIZE for this 12TF

your 2080ti behaves in reality, because no one it optimizing games for it, like 8TF console gpu.

 

[alabtrosMyster]

That guy runs the Xbox division.

Whenever he speaks in public he does PR - Twitter is 100% PR - I would say that this is probably his most down to earth PR statement so far, everything else he says is hot air. His public statements are emptier than Kevin Butler's ever were.

There is no reason to think he would lie on a hard fact like a GPU's total computing ability.

Anyway, because of the trust I have in Sony unless their console is completely destroyed by the new xbox I see no reason to worry with it. In fact if MS keeps going in that direction, content wise, and Sony does not offer a compelling product (price/performance/content) I may just skip consoles in the future.

I'm not too worried, just weighting my options.

Worldwide sales source?

It wold like 1500 copies in Japan, I doubt it will sell millions in other territories, I say this as a huge Sony fan.

 

[NickFire]

There is no effin way this happens. You can't sell the X for $500 and then turn around and sell the SXS for $400. Microsoft has been investing heavily, but I think this is a step too far. At that price, even people with PC's couldn't justify not getting it.

The drum beat of Series S rumors suggests they won't come close to 400 with Series X to me. But IMO, it would not be beyond the realm of possibilities for MS to say screw it, let's leak the plans to release a cheap version in year 2-4 now, lead Sony to believe we don't intend to heavily subsidize the first year of console sales, and then burn through some cash (of which they have plenty) to finally finish what we started with OG Xbox (a plan to be the industry leader). I know its not likely, but I don't think their unwillingness to burn cash on the X (when this generation's race was well over already) makes it impossible.

 

[KlickKlack]

But will it run Crysis reamke/remaster?

in 4 coop mode on one tv

 

[Romulus]

It wold like 1500 copies in Japan, I doubt it will sell millions in other territories, I say this as a huge Sony fan.

Eh. I've see massively lobsided sales in Japan and other territories. Dude said it sold "a few copies" like Japan equals the world.

 

[darkinstinct]

There is no effin way this happens. You can't sell the X for $500 and then turn around and sell the SXS for $400. Microsoft has been investing heavily, but I think this is a step too far. At that price, even people with PC's couldn't justify not getting it.

One X was targeted at the core users. Xbox had already lost the generation and Spencer knew it would make no sense to waste money on hardware without a chance of winning. It was a device to keep people from jumping ship.

Next gen is a completely different situation. They don't have a three years to make back their initial losses, they have seven. They are not trying to keep their users, they are trying to extend their market share back to where they were with 360. They want to push Game Pass. I think there's a real chance that they go in aggressively while cutting back all those Game Pass deals so they can easily make the money back there.

 

[Hendrick's]

So is this why Sony is dropping out of their shows?

 

[Elenchus]

not my fault if you don't understand why the lack of clarity is a shitty move...

do you at least understand that people with a beefy pc don't need a console to play Microsoft games? they already spent thousands of dollars for their PCs.

Not really. If you have a PC that costs thousands why comment at all?

Unless you can offer a user friendly plug and play solution at $500 you’re not comparing apples to apples anyway.

Yes we understand we’d get more luxury in a Porsche than we would a Honda.

But we expect that given the difference in price.

So what’s the point really?

 

[Protocol7]

Those are the moments I'm excited about.

I can't wait for Sony's turn now

 

[alabtrosMyster]

Next gen is a completely different situation. They don't have a three years to make back their initial losses, they have seven. They are not trying to keep their users, they are trying to extend their market share back to where they were with 360. They want to push Game Pass. I think there's a real chance that they go in aggressively while cutting back all those Game Pass deals so they can easily make the money back there.

They expected to sell 1billion xbox one, they said they would not let Sony have a power advantage, so on and so forth. We don't know until we have seen everything that is offered by all players.

 

[NickFire]

So is this why Sony is dropping out of their shows?

I really, really doubt it, but cannot say its impossible. It would make sense to avoid the spotlight if they had reason to know everyone would be asking how their console will match up and they aren't ready to discuss that.

 

[Hawking Radiation]

Expect PS5 to offer pretty much exactly the same thing, numbers be slightly different but basically the exact same feature-set.

The "Smart delivery" thing is such smoke-and-mirrors though. Basically all it means is that of an upgrade patch exists for SX, then it'll get auto-loaded on install. but third-parties can still charge for it if they want. Whoopty-do. That sounds like business as usual.

I’m not expecting anything. Sony either confirms what it’s offering or it doesn’t. I’m not doing benefit of the doubt on hardware given the shit build quality and cooling on the Pro.
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Sony said they are looking to release a premium device. Their cooling solution for PS5 is also apparently very expensive and the top tier complaint from most PS4 users is the noise of the console. Also Osiris has said that the new PS5 devkits run much cooler and quieter than the first editions.
There is every indication that Sony is doing what they can to address this issue.

 

[alabtrosMyster]

So is this why Sony is dropping out of their shows?

Sony actually engineered the covid-19 outbreak to get out of this embarrassing situation, the plan was to re-release the PS4 PRO with an SSD in new PS5 boxes.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

So is this why Sony is dropping out of their shows?

Hmm

 

[darkinstinct]

So is this why Sony is dropping out of their shows?

You wanted a February reveal, you got one.

 

[Insane Metal]

In case anyone asks how many Gamecubes taped together the XSX equals to

 

[Larogue]

American bulldozer.

 

[GymWolf]

Not really. If you have a PC that costs thousands why comment at all?

Unless you can offer a user friendly plug and play solution at $500 you’re not comparing apples to apples anyway.

Yes we understand we’d get more luxury in a Porsche than we would a Honda.

But we expect that given the difference in price.

So what’s the point really?

that was not my point tho.

i was explaining why microsoft did a shitty move not announcing all their exclusives on pc from day one.
imagine this scenario, you already have a beefy pc but you want to play M exclusives, you buy their console and after that they announce all their games on pc.
you remain with a totally useless console that costed 400-500 dollars, how is that a pro consumer move?

like i said, the news itself was not a negative thing, the timing was. (and it was absolutely on purpose)
i don't believe for a moment that this was not an already programmed step but they wait to announce it far beyond day one, how do i have to feel with a useless console and 400-500 dollars less in my wallet??
i mean you can defend this shit all you want but it doesn't mean that i'm wrong...

it's the same situation with sony right now, they need to clarify their pc gaming release status and people with a pc is waiting for this clarification because they don't wanna buy a useless console.

 

[Ellery]

It's impressive that you're getting it for a console price.

Did they reveal the price yet? is it 399$ or 499$?

 

[Ellery]

what you don't understand:
they will use and OPTIMIZE for this 12TF

your 2080ti behaves in reality, because no one it optimizing games for it, like 8TF console gpu.

Well you will have to wait for that optimization because all games for the next 2 years will be Xbox One, Xbox One S, Xbox One X and Xbox Series X.
But after that sure. The games are going to look great, but I expect nothing less

 

[Gen.Grievous]

Show me some games and I might actually be impressed.

 

[wolywood]

Sony actually engineered the covid-19 outbreak to get out of this embarrassing situation, the plan was to re-release the PS4 PRO with an SSD in new PS5 boxes.

Close....Covid-19 is actually the viral marketing campaign for TLOU2.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Forza will look good.

Hottest of takes!

 

[wolywood]

Hottest of takes!

I heard there might be a Halo game, don't quote me on that.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I heard there might be a Halo game, don't quote me on that.

Don't get ahead of yourself now.

 

[MilkyJoe]

This site is good for news and decent takes on various subjects, but why aren't obvious trolls banned with this kind of nonsense? Like if he was funny, clever, or even going ALL out, it's one thing. You can argue it adds flavor. This is just kinda sad.

Embarrassing himself

 

[RedVIper]

Thats actually pretty good, I won't be buying it because I prefer the games PC offers but still.

Let's see what the price is, I'd guess they'll be selling them at a loss like PlayStation did.

 

[junguler]

it's crazy how long it took for phil spencer to undo the damage don mattrick did to the xbox brand and xbox1, i respect that guy. i'm hoping everything goes along smoothly for microsoft and xbox gamers this coming gen. one thing is for sure tho, it won't be a cakewalk for sony this time around, should be interesting.

 

[SimonGosejohann]

Well you will have to wait for that optimization because all games for the next 2 years will be Xbox One, Xbox One S, Xbox One X and Xbox Series X.
But after that sure. The games are going to look great, but I expect nothing less

not true. only microsoft studio games will have xbox one games.. all other games, from third party, can be xbox series X only. no need to support xbox one anymore when xbox series x launches.

 

[bRacing]

I heard there might be a Halo game, don't quote me on that.

Uncharted territory!

 

[ResilientBanana]

Is there any information regarding RDNA vs RDNA2 performance?

 

[Bladed Thesis]

not my fault if you don't understand why the lack of clarity is a shitty move...

do you at least understand that people with a beefy pc don't need a console to play Microsoft games? they already spent thousands of dollars for their PCs.

You're coming at it from the wrong direction. It's not lack of clarity if it wasn't a consideration. I don't think Microsoft or Sony thought they'd be getting into the PC gaming market and made a change in their vision to face that market. That's not lack of clarity. This has been a seven year console cycle. Thinking the decisions and ideas made day one (and oh what an awful day one it was for MS) by the management in charge then (oh what day one management at MS Xbox Division) matches Year Seven ideas and decisions is either naive or being purposely obtuse.

In regards to a beefy pc, those are different markets. We're talking different things in comparison to "useless consoles."

You said it made Xbox console useless. It doesn't. I have a desktop gaming rig I spent thousands on. That's thousands while building it myself. So you can imagine the specs. I still have need of a console. Because my thousand plus gaming rig doesn't look good on my TV in my living room on chill nights with my wife. And I know that is the case for a large (majority) of the gaming rig market. Thousand dollar machines in my living room, playing on my TV instead of my dual monitors? You pc game with dual monitors on your couch? LMAO

It's a different league and exactly that. The console with Xbox games isn't meant to replace the thousand dollar plus gaming rig and to act like it does make the console useless is, again, naive or being purposely obtuse. It's purpose is to open to OPTION to also game with the same shit on your rig as well as a console in the living room. Apples and orange. Both are fruit but they play different and are for different situations. In fact, the intermingling of the ecosystems makes the Xbox MORE appealing to me. Because now I can game on my gaming rig and game casually on my 65" tv on the couch with my wife.

Not my fault why you don't understand why the form factor of a console is more appealing than having a gaming rig hooked up to my 65" 4k Sony Bravia in the middle of my living room.

 

[Butz]

Show me some games and I might actually be impressed.